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Damon
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Hi all,

Mainly because of SandrAruba's recent thread I have started to dig into thyroid issues. I have read tons of articles and am now 100% certain I have what is called hypothyroidism, although I have never been officially tested. Cold feet, low morning body temperatures (i.e. <36 degrees Celsius), frequently fatigued without reason, ancestors who suffered the 'Hongerwinter', etc, all point towards a sluggish thyroid. I have thought about whether I would like to have this issue resolved in the first place (it is apparently associated with longevity, and surely my body must have 'chosen to adopt' a sluggish thyroid for a reason). However, I figured I prefer an energetic though possibly somewhat shorter life, over a 'fatigued long life'

My main question is what Dr D. has said about hypothyroidism and what approach he suggests to take when trying to solve hypothyroidism (as an A Warrior). Searching through this website hasn't yielded very much useful information.

I have read a claim that Dr D. has stated that being compliant will heal one's guts over time and eventually result in a healed thyroid. I have been on SWAMI for over half a year now but haven't noticed any improvements. Although I must admit that I am not 100% compliant, I am doing the very best I can within limits set by my social life. I am afraid the approach of simply following the diet won't solve my thyroid problem.
     The general advice on non-BTD thyroid boards seems to take Armour (pig's natural T4/T3-hormones) as opposed to for instance Synthroid (synthetic T4). Armour is hog-based and presumably not BTD-compliant (I suppose).
    In addition there are also lots of anti-(A-warrior)-superfood recommendations (e.g. soy, broccoli, spinach, walnuts), discussions about Cytomel (T3), and slow-release T3 supplementation (i.e. related to the 'wilson's syndrome'), etc. :-|
     Finally, I came across this Dr. D book: http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED067S
Does anyone know if it also discusses how to deal with hypothyroidism (as an A Warrior)?

I am really eager to try and get my energy levels up, yet am afraid to start medication that will later turn out to have been a quick fix that resulted in worse thyroid problems in my later life..

Thanks a lot for any insights and advice.

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I have been on SWAMI for over half a year now but haven't noticed any improvements.


also look into the aging book and compare notes.....it all works in synergy

glad you are following your swami report......are you really?

don t forget if you clicked on the thyroid issue and all your other personal variables, the system computes all into one personalized food list for you.

Rome wasn t built in a day, you know!

You do not note your age, but fixing your gut and other systems depends on how much fixing you actually needed in the first place ......age does matter

are you anywhere near CT?
you might benefit from a private consultation at the clinic or Bridgeport......or find an IFHI Master close to you to run a swami pro for you


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     Finally, I came across this Dr. D book: http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED067S
Does anyone know if it also discusses how to deal with hypothyroidism (as an A Warrior)?


The Fatigue Book deals with A and secretor status in regards to Fatique. It does not deal with GenoTypes.

The Fatigue book does mention thyroid issues. The Blood Type Diet Encyclopedia has more direct discussion of thyroid issues.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED004


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Thanks for the suggestion, C_sharp

@ Lola; Yes, I am following the diet quite well. I'd say 2 out of 3 meals fully compliant, but the third meal (which I cannot 'choose' myself) may be less compliant. I do eat quite some diamond foods each and every day.

I am 25 years old btw, and have been quite health-conscious since my early puberty. Although not BTD-compliant, I typically followed a fairly healthy lifestyle. (No candy/sweets, and relatively few processed foods; no smoking; and a fair amount of physical exercise.) I don't have any other health issues afaik and don't feel that "there's a lot of healing to be done".

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Half a year on SWAMI may not be enough time for everything to heal, especially since you haven't been 100% compliant. At age 25, you have less healing to do than, say, a 40yo does,  but you still want to undo epigenetic damage you were conceived with. That may take a while.

Did you check off "thyroid problems" in SWAMI? If not, check off that box and run it again, and see if there are any significant changes to your food lists.

Also make sure you're following the portion size and frequency reccomendations as well as the exercise reccomendations. Too much exercise will stress your body and fatigue you, while not enough will just leave you feeling sluggish.  You need the right amount of exercise, and the right kind. Ditto on the portion reccomendations- with your "low energy" issues, you may need to focus on making sure you eat ENOUGH food. Sometimes very subtle differences (increasing or decreasing portions of a certain food group) can have dramatic differences in energy levels. Having a non-compliant meal every single day may be sabatoging you.


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Hi Ruthigirl, thanks for your insights

Yes I checked off the thyroid problems box. I am actually very confident I made no mistakes in my SWAMI inputs (I have no doubtful measurements; I experimented how checking certain boxes would affect the recommendations; and I even did the national geographic dna testing.)

I guess I can fine-tune my 'main question' as follows;
Does Dr. D approve of using medication to solve hypothyroidism symptoms? If so; which type(s) of medication does he recommend? If not, what other 'approach' would he suggest?
(possible relevant to note: this recommendation applies to an A-Warrior)

I feel that the problem of solving hypothyroidism by perfectly following my SWAMI diet is that -for me- that is simply impossible.. I can be 80% compliant long-term while incorporating lots (diamond) superfoods, but I am not able to constantly avoid all avoids.
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how about red meat, previously?


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Dr D doesn't seem to have any hard-and-fast rules about using medicines to treat various health ailments. He's open to using medicine in individual cases if dietary treatments alone aren't working. All that is done on a case-by-case basis, and he won't give any specific reccomendations without examining the individual patient. He had a blog post recently about combining allopathic and naturopathic treatments for cancer.

Some individuals do benefit from pharmaceutical medications, at least for the short term. Others don't.  Your best bet is to consult with a local practitioner, preferably somebody who's trained with Dr D.


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Hi Ruthigirl, thanks for your insights

Yes I checked off the thyroid problems box. I am actually very confident I made no mistakes in my SWAMI inputs (I have no doubtful measurements; I experimented how checking certain boxes would affect the recommendations; and I even did the national geographic dna testing.)

I guess I can fine-tune my 'main question' as follows;
Does Dr. D approve of using medication to solve hypothyroidism symptoms? If so; which type(s) of medication does he recommend? If not, what other 'approach' would he suggest?
(possible relevant to note: this recommendation applies to an A-Warrior)

I feel that the problem of solving hypothyroidism by perfectly following my SWAMI diet is that -for me- that is simply impossible.. I can be 80% compliant long-term while incorporating lots (diamond) superfoods, but I am not able to constantly avoid all avoids.


Actually he does recommend not taking thyroid supplements/medication for Type A's. If you had your thyroid removed, sure, you would have too.

The problem with Type A's according to Dr. D is that they will retain too high of levels of the hormone (that you don't want) even after you go off of them. Basically you feel good for awhile then you totally crash and have to take more to not feel awful. I found out the hard way before I read about that.

The recommendations are to reduce stress, and maintain a good gut flora balance.

What type of avoids do you eat? How much omega 3's do you get? What type of exercise do you do?

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Thanks for all the input. I guess I am actually somehow relieved the diet alone should actually be able to solve it (and medication is a preferable nogo).

The most common avoids would be wheat (once every two days) and beef (once every 3 days or so). Of course I keep my meals small when its full of avoids. I do eat plenty of diamond fish though, and quite regularly consume water kefir.
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Wheat is very hard on thyroids, often. It is much worse if you have bad gut flora (beef would contribute). Your rate of consumption of the two is fairly low though.

What type of exercise do you do?

Do you consume things that help increase insulin reception? Any whey based cheese? Yerba Mate?
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Hey DoS,

Could you elaborate where you got that information from? (e.g. that wheat is supposedly bad for one's thyroid) Did you get that from Dr. D's Fatigue book or the BTD Encyclopedia by any chance?

Types of exercises would be cycling, field hockey, squash, snowboarding and some minor weightlifting (maybe I should reduce the latter a bit though).

In relation to your insulin reception remark; do you suggest so because you believe it'll help to get more energized? Or because it should help improving my gut (flora)?
     My personal experience is that I don't do well at all on high glycemic foods; the lower the glycemic load, the better. For the same reason I avoid dairy products containing lactose. I do have several (diamond) superfood cheeses on my SWAMI though.

Thanks a lot, again

ps. also; any idea if Dr. D has an opinion on iodine supplementation? (frequently suggested when dealing with hypothyroidism..)

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Haven't reread the entire thread so forgive me if I repeat some things already said.  First of all, it probably would be a good idea to have your levels checked, especially TSH and Free T4.  Also, have you tried the iodine test?  Just paint a square of iodine on you, thigh or stomach I think, and see if it disappears quickly.  That may give you a hint.  
I've been on thyroid meds since the early 1960s and I had thyroid cancer in 1996 so I had my thyroid out then and also one of my parathyroids (benigh tumor on it).  I've experimented with a lot of different kinds and doses of thyroid meds.  I'm currently taking a T4 without excipients called Tirosint.  It's relatively new.  I also take a compounded T3 which my pharmacist makes for me.  
I wish you luck.  It can be a lifelong process to keep it at the right levels.
There's tons of information on Mary Shomon's Thyroid site on About.com.  
Hope you get some answers that work for you.
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My understanding is that it's not a lectin issue with beef, but rather that type A's don't have the enzymes to properly digest beef. Beef broth is okay, and vegetables cooked with beef are also okay. This wouldn't be true for B's with chicken, as that IS a lectin issue.

I'd suggest that, for the beef meals, you eat the veggies and stuff cooked with the beef, but not the beef itself, and have a can of fish or a couple of hard boiled eggs before or after the meal for your protein.

I'm not sure what to do about the wheat though. That's the kind of food where even a tiny amount can cause a lot of damage.


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Hey DoS,

Could you elaborate where you got that information from? (e.g. that wheat is supposedly bad for one's thyroid) Did you get that from Dr. D's Fatigue book or the BTD Encyclopedia by any chance?

Types of exercises would be cycling, field hockey, squash, snowboarding and some minor weightlifting (maybe I should reduce the latter a bit though).

In relation to your insulin reception remark; do you suggest so because you believe it'll help to get more energized? Or because it should help improving my gut (flora)?
     My personal experience is that I don't do well at all on high glycemic foods; the lower the glycemic load, the better. For the same reason I avoid dairy products containing lactose. I do have several (diamond) superfood cheeses on my SWAMI though.

Thanks a lot, again

ps. also; any idea if Dr. D has an opinion on iodine supplementation? (frequently suggested when dealing with hypothyroidism..)


I have read on thyroids in the Encyclopedia, and also he has posted on here as well.

You do a fair bit of vigorous exercise with field hockey, snowboarding, and maybe cycling depending how you do it. If you are a warrior, you will feel better not engaging in as much of the high intensity stuff (if really any at all, squash/tennis being the top). That is a personal choice and I perfectly understand how much it sucks expletive deleted to be worthless at spots that are widely available to do these days.

I asked about insulin reception because it relates to circulation as much as thyroids do. I bet if you don't eat your hands and feet don't feel as cold?

Iodine supplement does not make you produce too many hormones, just supports natural function. Do not over do it though, they have recommended limits. As far as I know anyway. Never read if Dr. D recommends it or not. Personally for Type A's I don't think it makes a huge difference unless they have stopped digesting food well.
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All of my exercise is on the recreational level, I hardly ever push myself to any limits And I only exercise 2 or maybe 3 days a week.

It is actually funny that you expect my hands/feet to be not as cold when I don't eat; in my experience its the other way around; in the 1,5/2 hours after a high caloric meal I rarely have cold hands/feet..
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All of my exercise is on the recreational level, I hardly ever push myself to any limits And I only exercise 2 or maybe 3 days a week.

It is actually funny that you expect my hands/feet to be not as cold when I don't eat; in my experience its the other way around; in the 1,5/2 hours after a high caloric meal I rarely have cold hands/feet..


Interesting... I have experienced low blood sugar making me cold before. However eating lots of carbohydrates seems to cut down on circulation for me as well.

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You know, I am noticing you are a nonnie and DLN. Do you have SWAMI? You might get some quiet different recommendations from the regular warrior diet.

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Yea I got SWAMI
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If you want to get some insight in thyroid and all that goes with it, try getting the book "The Thyroid Solution" from Dr. Arem. It helped me tremendously in understanding the thyroid and all the problem that you can get from a thyroid not working properly.

http://www.amazon.com/Thyroid-Solution-Revolutionary-Mind-Body-Regaining/dp/0345496620




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I would get Histona Ulterior. That is commonly recommended for people with thyroid issues by the Dr.'s in practice of BTD/GTD.

You could also consider something for stress, either Cortiguard or Warrior Catalyst.
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