I've run into a mental situation with my swami.  My swami allows 5 meals a week of red meats at 5-7 oz, 3 meals a week of poultry at 5-7 oz and 6 meals a week of fish at 5-7 ounces.  That's 15 meals of meat portions.  If you I ate meat at breakfast lunch and dinner that's 21 meat meals.  So that leaves me with 6 meat meals I'm not getting during the week.  It does say I should eat 9 servings of eggs per week.  Which I had not been eating eggs.  But I just ate a little bit of one yesterday to get me back on them.  So far so good.  I have a cold and have had some pains and want to blame the egg, but I don't think that's it.  So anyways....  Once I get more eggs in my diet, that's fine, and my vegetable portions I make up at snack times.  So I can't really use them for protein.  

I guess the one thing is that I don't usually eat 5-7 ounces.  Most times it's just 4 ounces at a main meal.  I have upped it a little sometimes lately.  But it's typically around 4 ounces.  So I suppose I could count all the ounces up on the high side and see if I'm not exceeding that.  Eh?  Does anybody else have this situation?

Thank you!

I'm surprised that a nomad would get that much meat...I don't even eat that much meat...

Don't forget your vegetable proteins.  I noticed the same with my swami. Since I want to start it tomorrow I'm working on a chart.  I will have some of the vegetable proteins as a lunch or breakfast.
Most mornings I have an egg with 2 or 3 cups of veggies, when I have more time I'll have fish with the veggies. Most dinners will have meat, fish, or poultry, but I might get away with a veg/protein soup with just a little meat for flavor.

That's what I do.  I don't look at it as "meals", I just add up the ounces per week and go by that.

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Don't forget your vegetable proteins.  I noticed the same with my swami. Since I want to start it tomorrow I'm working on a chart.  I will have some of the vegetable proteins as a lunch or breakfast.
Most mornings I have an egg with 2 or 3 cups of veggies, when I have more time I'll have fish with the veggies. Most dinners will have meat, fish, or poultry, but I might get away with a veg/protein soup with just a little meat for flavor.

I use up my vegetable protein portions at snack times with nuts.  I meant to say that before, but it didn't come out right.  

Briny, I think that's what I'll do.  I'll add up all the ounces and go from there.  

Jayneeo, I chose the more frequent/ larger portion selection on my swami, because I'm really underweight.  But, before that I had almost as much meat.  It was 4 red, 3 poultry and 5 fish.  I think.  But either way, it's what it says.  I'm not making it up.  If you want I'll post it.  

Actually, I was wrong about the poultry.  I get 4 servings at 5-7 ounces.  So yeah, once I figured it up in ounces, I could eat 4 ounces of meat at breakfast lunch and dinner and have 16 ounces or so to spare for other times.  And if I throw some eggs in at meals at times, I should be overly covered, meat wise.  Sweet.

I used to have homemade sausage.  But now I rarely have meat for breakfast.

5+3+6=14 X 7 = 98 ounces a week divided by 7 = 14 ounces a day divided by 3 meals=almost 4+ ounces a meal. (21 meals)

I have the opposite situation.  Swami gives me ten 3-5 ounce portions of animal protein per week (3x red meat, 3x poultry, 4x fish),  That isn't a lot.  Even if I eat two meals per day, four of them should be meat-free.  I eat eggs, nuts, and I have been making bone broth soups with loads of veggies, which I enjoy for lunch, and sometimes for breakfast, but I don't like to eat early in the morning.  I have to be up a while to work up an appetite, esp. for a meat meal.  If we're having breakfast out in a restaurant that serves turkey sausage (on a Sunday ordinarily) then I'd have meat at breakfast.

I've got 2poultry, 4x fish, 5x meat, 5x Vegetable protein, and 7 eggs. (all max) .  I want to save at least 3 eggs for baking. Leaving me with 4eggs. We've been eating more poultry than this, so I'm really having a hard time to get this worked out.  I found I do well on fish for breakfast. Fish and meat 3-5oz. and only 1/4cups of Veg protein. (Beans, nuts) 1 TB of the butters. I don't do very well with the butters, on spelt bread, or a rice cake for breakfast. and have been using that for afternoon snacks. Perhaps beans with the veggies for breakfast, like a warm bean salad? I'm kind of thinking out loud, but any views are helpful. I've got 20lbs I'd like to take off this winter so I really wonder if I should do the max amount or the lesser portion size.. I'm sure swami has already figured that in so maybe not.

Breakfast? What's that?  

There was a time when I'd forget breakfast, but I'm an O and I'm finding I really do better. I also need to even out my energy, lately I've been a slow starter, and early quiter not a whole lot of energy time between. Duh, isn't there a meal planner? I'll be back........

I usually don't eat meat at breakfast.  I eat more eggs than "recommended", however...

I haven't been eating eggs, that's why I went with meat at breakfast.  They've been puny portions with some nuts following it up.  But I think I'm going to up my portion of meat at breakfast, or do a combo of egg and small amount of meat.  Or, just do an egg again.  But I think because I'm so underweight, and my stomach is working well now, I'm needing / wanting to eat so much more than I used to.  Even in the morning.  I've never been a big breakfast person either, but I eat pretty late in the morning.  So it's more like brunch.

JJR, I don't think you should worry if you find yourself going over SWAMI reccomended portions for now. You've been underweight a long time and need to "catch up." It's likely that your appettite will decrease a little once you've acheived a healthy weight. For you, look at SWAMI portions as minimums, not maximums.

^ What Ruth said.

Yeah, my doctor has told me that before too.  But for some reason my mind gets anal about these things.  Thank you for reminding me of that and helping me with that.  You too ribbit.  

I still struggle with fears about food.  I think it's the whole you're going to have a heart attack if you don't take this drug for high cholesterol on the TV commercials all the time type thing.  Or, there is something inside me that doesn't want to let me indulge too much like it's going to kill me, or hurt me.  I'm not sure where that is coming from.  Like I've been real anal about making sure I don't really eat more than a 1/4 cup of nuts at once.  Just because it seems like it's the recommended amounts on all the packages and my calorie calculator.  Like somehow the packages know that if you eat more than 1/4 cup at one sitting, you're going to have a stroke.  I'm not sure what the fear is, but it's there.  I'm dealing with these fears with counseling, but it's a part of what my mind is dealing with.  But I'm learning to push the boundaries and find out that it's OK!!!  Everything is OK.  God is good, he's in control, and I need not fear.  He calms the seas, etc etc.  I know that's my perspective of God, but it helps me.  I mean no disrespect in that regard to someone elses beliefs.  

My meat is needed at lunch and dinner or I keep eating all day....

morning it's 1 egg... (for 30 years it was 2)  I wish it could be more then one per Swami.. but I understand.. so now the question is what else to eat with it.. a vegetable would be nice.. like yam, but I have not done that as a routine.. I was afraid of the carbs,but now they say to have a little carb with protein, to digest better, I might add a slice of yam..  

or I might start to add 1 scoop of Dr D's protein powder to one raw egg and blend it with a canned plum to cover the taste.. I did that yesterday and was ok with it for a while..

But my portion is not that of a young man.. what I wrote is just what I do.. NOW as I am older and most likely need 50% less food... a bummer.. I like to eat and feel hungry if I try to eat less..  

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Or, there is something inside me that doesn't want to let me indulge too much like it's going to kill me, or hurt me.  I'm not sure where that is coming from.  Like I've been real anal about making sure I don't really eat more than a 1/4 cup of nuts at once.  Just because it seems like it's the recommended amounts on all the packages and my calorie calculator.  Like somehow the packages know that if you eat more than 1/4 cup at one sitting, you're going to have a stroke.  I'm not sure what the fear is, but it's there.

JJ,

Quite often the food manufacturers settle on a portion size that makes the nutrition information "look" good...  I've stopped looking at the nutrition information for myself, (I still look at the ingredients), just trusting that the body will tell me when it has had enough.  You're getting there, just keep eating and doing good.  

Any bugs are much smaller than you are and with your gut getting better, they will have a hard time getting established, even if they get in.

no meats for me for breakfast... yikes too early for that... sometimes for lunch or dinner..yep...

Thank you joe.  My mind just doesn't like to forget things in the past.  Like times when I've eaten something and it really messed with me.  I need to forget them and focus on now and the future.  But your wisdom is totally comforting.  

Amazone, I totally feel more energized if I have some kind of refreshing fruit, and some kind of good protein in the morning.  I remember one week I was eating a small peice of lamb in the morning and it was like BAM, made me feel good after eating it.  I didn't have a lot then though.  Lamb is one of those where I feel like it's really good for me, but if it's real real fatty, I don't want a bunch of it at one time.  I'm not sure if that's mental or physical.  I'm learning to welcome the fats a little more mentally, but I'm not sure if a bunch of it is all that great all at once either, physically speaking.  But my stools have not been floating any more, since I've upped my intake of food.  Weird.  It was like when I was starving myself, my stools were floating all the time.  Now they're not.

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I'm surprised that a nomad would get that much meat...I don't even eat that much meat...

Me neither! I have about the same meat recommendations in my Swami and I'm not even close to using up all the meat portions.

Because when I did, I felt sluggish and tired. When I replaced more meat meals with meals with allowable grains and veggies, my energy sprang back.

I don't east breakfast until almost 11a. I can't eat for atleast 3-4 hours after I get up. I guess I'm more of a brunch person.

I break up my breakfast in two parts. I like the live food enzymes to be eaten first to prepare my stomach for the harder stuff.

For breakfast part 1: I start with a green smoothie in a blender (usually collard leaves & mango & water)

Then breakfast part 2: is two eggs scrambled with olive oil with 2 cups of brown rice spiral pasta. Then I place that scramble on top of a bed of mixed greens.

I'm not hungry until night.

You guys know I chose the more frequent/ larger portion option on my swami.  It upped my red meats and fish 1 more time in weekly frequency and the ounces went from 3-4 to 5-7.  But I did it because I'm severely underweight.  It's a whole different thing than trying to lose weight.

But let me ask you O's this, am I really getting more meat frequency than you O's?  It must be a Nomad thing I guess.

Hi JJR,
Your meat portions are very similiar to mine. I selected the same option as you on Swami and would like to gain a few pounds (I am coming to the realization that 115 pounds at 5'7 is normal for me). The only difference is I am allowed 7 fish and 10 eggs. Recently I started eating meat and veggie soup for breakfast and am loving a warm bowl of soup in the morning.

I so feel for you on the fears and phobias. I can also relate to your faith that all will be well and this is the best attitude you can take. My first serious relationship with God came at 18 years old when I was suffering from panic attacks and fears of everything (including choking on food) and no one understood. He has been my friend ever since! Clearing my mind every day and feeling that deep connection helps me stay on track, or you could say meditating for 30 minutes. The years following were high and low but eventually I got a grip on things and am now in control. You will be too!

Lisa

At least as yet, I have never eaten meat at breakfast.

Meat for breakfast is not something that I ever think about.  It's a hearty smoothie in the morning for me.  

I agree with ABJoe about serving sizes.  If I paid attention to serving sizes, I'd probably still weigh 75 pounds.  Everyone is different - some people need more, some need less.  we have to listen to our bodies not to numbers made up by other people.

I have to tell you all this.  I have been so blessed by the people on here.  Thank you all so much for taking the time to comment on my threads you guys.  Wholefoodie, thank you very much for sharing!!!!!!!!  And of course you briny.  All the sharing you have done has really warmed my heart.  And everyone's posts!!!  God is good.  Well, my belief says so.  And you guys are good!!!!!

I have yet to do some soups this year and I need to get into the practice of doing it.  I have a challenge in my household.  I do the cooking.  And my wife is very picky.  She will not eat things that are mixed together.  I LOVE LOVE LOVE things all mixed together.  But I typically cook everything as separate, so my wife can eat too.  I grew up eating hearty soups and goulashes and mixtures of all sorts and I miss them terribly.  My kids like them too, so, I have to figure out a way around this.  

Victoria, I don't do dairy right now, but I've thought about some smoothies.  I think it's a good idea and probably would fulfill my tummy.  But I'm not sure how to make one right now.  I either need to make some rice milk, or actually drink the stuff I bought.  It just tasted funny to me the last time I bought it.  And my daughter said the same thing, so.....  I've drank a little of it in the past and not thought so.  Either they changed their recipe, or it was a bad batch.  I'll have to try it again soon.

I have to tell you. my last visit to the doctor was good she was going over my numbers. She said she could not really saything about cholesterol or blood pressure or triglycerides. She just more more patients were like me. I told her I probably eat more meat than would be recommended. But I also eat more veggies than most people. She was initially very suprised at my specialzed diet- BTD/GTD/Gluten-free/corn-free/white potato-free/ yeast and carb restricted- Basically a Bodybuilding diet, but no breaks for off season. When I am under a lot of stress I crave meat more. I typically ahve found that 2-3 eggs in the morning with veggies and/or maybe a small protion of oat bran, depending on how I feeling, is a good breakfast. lunch a big salad or veggies with some more meat. dinner is a repeat of lunch plus a small carb portion. i really believe in the philosophy of if my body us craving it I must need it. yes chocolate is a need. I know I need more exercise. But I know I feel better when I eat what my body requests.

Did you read the thread by PattyH that discussed meat portions on SWAMI?  A lot of folks posted their protein allowances.  I'll try to find it.

Ahhh, here it is:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1312384292/s-51/#num51

Okay, that's a link to my reply, but the whole thread might be worth reading.

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But let me ask you O's this, am I really getting more meat frequency than you O's?  It must be a Nomad thing I guess.

Gosh what a concept. I guess it depends on your settings like you said.

JJR perhaps is this one of the habits to skip... but we don't eat meats for breakfast ... but yep lamb is one of my preferest and makes me as well .....but de préference for lunch or dinner   

I don't typically eat it for breakfast.  I haven't really been eating a lot of meat for breakfast.  Today I had 2 slices of turkey deli meat and an egg.  Yesterday it was 3 pieces of turkey bacon.  That's like not even 2 ounces.  Although the turkey bacon has a pretty good amount of calories for some reason.  Anyways....  

Any way I slice it, my SWAMI allows me quite a bit of meat it seems.  And I believe ever since I started eating more red meat, my immune system has worked better.  There was a long period where I wasn't eating it at all.

Sometimes I think that Nomads would almost find it easy to be vegetarians, not that it would be good for us.  Many that I know, including myself, used to be vegetarians for long periods of time, and seem to be drawn to the vegetable sources of protein, such as nuts, etc.

My health is definitely better with some red meat, but I'm talking a pound a week of lamb, which isn't much on a daily basis. And dark turkey once or twice a week.  I have to remind myself to eat enough now that SWAMI has eliminated my food cravings.

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Any way I slice it, my SWAMI allows me quite a bit of meat it seems.  And I believe ever since I started eating more red meat, my immune system has worked better.  There was a long period where I wasn't eating it at all.

Yes, JJR you sure are allowed a lot of meat and that is the beauty of Swami. Glad you are feeling better on red meat. It sure is an education on these boards understanding a Nomad could need more meat than a Gatherer or Explorer! You are up there with us Hunters! (we just keep having more things in common!)

Make yourself those soups and stews and enjoy! I ate my pot of beef soup over the last several days, mainly by myself. So comforting!

Do you eat veal? I made a delicious veal stew, easy and simple ingredients:

2 lbs veal, patted dry, salted and dredged in compliant flour and lightly browned in a dutch oven or ovenproof pot. Remove veal from pot (I use Le Creuset) and saute one large onion. Add veal back to pot, add 2 cups chopped veggies of your choice (I used turnips and rutabagas but potatoes and carrots would be good too), a can of white beans, 3/4 tsp. dried rosemary and about 2 cups of beef broth. Bring to a boil, cover and place in preheated 300 degree oven. Cook about 1 and 3/4 hours and add 8 oz. fresh spinach. Return to oven about 10 minutes until spinach is wilted. Makes 4-5 servings, gets better after flavors blend and is fine for a few days. I add a little extra broth each time I heat. Make once, then just heat and eat!

PS: I would check it after about 1 hour in the oven to make sure the liquid is not evaporating too rapidly. This will vary based on oven temp and type of pot. Make sure to cover when in the oven so it doesn't dry out.

Lisa

Oh man, that sounds delicious.  But I don't know if I've ever had veal.  It is a neutral on my list.  Liver is a diamond and I need to incorporate that sometime also.

And yeah, I need to make some soups.  I could use some this morning I think.  It's coooooold in here.  I think it's cold outside.

I eat one meal a day with 400 g raw beef meat, 100 g raw beef fat, 70 g raw hake and 1 egg. That's enough for my zerocarb.

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I eat one meal a day with 400 g raw beef meat, 100 g raw beef fat, 70 g raw hake and 1 egg. That's enough for my zerocarb.

Ummm - all mixed together?

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Ummm - all mixed together?

Yeap. When You eat raw, there is no affect for different protein's enzymes. Everything is digested without our enzymes. So for me there is no differces in teste. Everything is perfect.

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Like I've been real anal about making sure I don't really eat more than a 1/4 cup of nuts at once.  Just because it seems like it's the recommended amounts on all the packages and my calorie calculator.  Like somehow the packages know that if you eat more than 1/4 cup at one sitting, you're going to have a stroke

No, if you eat more than 1/4 cup of nuts at once, you'll get fat. For a good portion of the American and Canadian population, getting fatter is a bad thing. For you, it's a good thing.

1/4 cup is "one serving." That's just how you calculate these things, so you can compare how much nut butter is equivilent to how many nuts. But it's perfectly okay to eat more than one serving at a time! I mean, 4oz of ice cream is supposed to be "one serving" but most people eat at least double that! (Not that you should be eating ice cream,  but that was a convenient example of something that's often eaten in much larger portions than reccomended on the label.)

Oh sure, rub the ice cream in!!!!  Just kidding.  I've almost thought about getting some rice dream ice cream for a treat.  I don't know.  I might stick to my dark chocolate once in a while.  I'm up to about 2200 every day.  I think I need to be maybe a hair more.  Maybe 2400 or so.  I don't know.  I hit over 2300 one day and it felt good.  But I'm not putting on weight by the second.  I was going up, but the last couple days it's been more like maintaining.  Briny said she had to eat 3k in order to gain, and she's smaller than I.  

And thank you for the encouragement Ruthie.  It's funny, the calorie program I'm using, when I put in my weight and it goes up, it says "UH OH, you've gained such and such".  Even though my target weight is higher than what I am, the program doesn't have a mode for people that are underweight, needing to gain.   It makes out like gaining is a bad thing.  "Uh oh".  I mean cmon.  How about, GREAT!!!  

There should be a place to email the people who run the software. Complain about the "uh oh" thing.