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chrissyA
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Is there a way to re-proportion the food group quantity recommendations in SWAMI? Let me explain...

SWAMI recommends I eat 3 servings of poultry/week - well, I don't care for poultry, so I don't eat any.
It also recommends 7eggs/week, but I'm not all too fond of eggs, so I eat maybe one a month.
5 seafood/week, I find I eat about one per week. I actually love fish, and was surprised to find I eat so little of it. The thought of 5 servings/week... that's a lot of fish (for me).

I am happy to have more veg proteins and cheeses, but I don't know how to go about balancing things correctly.

I suspect you're going to tell me that SWAMI recommends these portions for a reason -  however, I'm not going to eat what I don't like- certainly you all can relate to that...

Any suggestions or is this something a practitioner would have to help me with?

Thanks  




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In SWAMI GenoType (not Xpress) - you can specify different type of vegetarianism-but I do not think that there is an option that leaves fish and dairy while taking away poultry and eggs.

My suggestion is to just adjust it yourself.


Since you seem reluctant to do that, I will suggest an option for you (Not seeing the rest of your SWAMI), I have to make some assumptions.

Take seafood from 5 to 7 servings a week (for two poultry servings).

Increase

Increase dairy by one serving a week (for two of the eggs).

Increase vegetable protein servings by 3 servings a week (for 5 eggs and one poultry serving).




If you want to keep fish at 5 servings a week:

Increase dairy by two servings a week (for 4 eggs).

Increase vegetable protein servings by 4 servings a week (for 3 eggs and 3 poultry servings).




If trying to lose weight:

Increase dairy by one serving a week
and vegetable protein servings by 2 a week.




Try ostrich - counts as poultry but does not taste like turkey or chicken.


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If one is not concerned with the protein aspect (and usually there is enough protein in the teacher diet that one would not need to be), the easiest fix would be:

Scale things up in proportion by telling SWAMI to use more frequent/larger portion for everything and then just ignore the servings for Poultry and Eggs. Do this in section C of the data entry screen:

Category Portion Size and Frequency:



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Thank you C_sharp for your very thoughtful replies

What you suggested is pretty much what I've been doing, but I wanted input from more experienced folks. And I'm prpobably looking for a little validation as well  


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I generally think of the overall protein reccomendations as being primary, with the proportions of red meat/dairy/fish/poultry being a secondary concern. I do aim for following SWAMI portions exactly, but I'm not always successful at that. Especially with two different SWAMIs in the house, it's a huge challenge to co-ordinate the amount of fish and poultry each of us is supposed to eat, while still making family dinners every night. I haven't perfected that yet (and I never will, unless I can find some good fish recipes that the kids will actually eat.) But I do always make sure we have animal protein each night.

Since your'e an A, I'd lump in vegetable protiens along with animal protiens. (For Os and Bs, I wouldn't consider nuts or beans an adequate sub for fish or poultry.) Add up all your protein servings for the week and divide by 7; that's how much protein you need each day.


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I did what C Sharp said to do in my swami because I'm trying to gain weight, and it definitely upped my portions and sizes of meats especially.  It didn't change everything though.  So, it is what it is.  To me, it's like a good guideline.   But your body and intuition is important too.  As well as the change of the seasons.  And availability of food.  Like we just are not able to get fresh peaches, plums, and nectarines now, and so on and so forth.  I think are bodies know about eating with the seasons and sometimes it might seem like we're eating too much of one thing, because our swami says so.  I have always struggled with the nut portions.  I'm doing that right now.  For me, it just doesn't feel like enough.  But it may be because I don't eat as much meat as it would allow me to.  Or dairy.  I don't know.  All I know is I do my best.  And lately I found myself stressing over the fact that I might be overdoing it a little in one particular category.  But you know what????  I need to gain weight, so, I need to quit stressing over it.  That doesn't help either.  

Anyways, I feel for you.  I've heard some people say, and I think it's a good program, that we need to just "follow our swami".  But I just don't see how a computer program can be infallible.  I think it's just closer than most diets, but it certainly isn't perfect.  On the other hand, I might encourage you that if you're avoiding foods just because you don't like the taste of them, I would encourage you to eat that food for a while, and see if you don't develop a taste for it.  If it's just a picky eating thing, it may be intuitive, but it also may be just avoiding for no good reason.  In which you are missing nutrients.  My kids like all kinds of vegetables that most people don't, because they were made to eat them regularly.  They still have their likes and dislikes, but when we grew up, we had to at least try it, and eat a little of whatever was made.  Regardless of what we thought of it.  I think it has made me appreciate all foods moreso than my wife, who was picky and her parents made her whatever she wanted.  And she still doesn't eat a lot of vegetables and in my opinion is missing out terribly on good food.  


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Quoted from JJR
  I've heard some people say, and I think it's a good program, that we need to just "follow our swami".  But I just don't see how a computer program can be infallible.  I think it's just closer than most diets, but it certainly isn't perfect.    
Of course it can't be perfect! It's a complex computer program,  but the human body is infinitely more complex. SWAMI can't shift with the seasons, or even make daily changes based on how you're feeling that day. It doesn't always account for specific food intolerances, if those intolerances are not based on lectin activity or another one of the factors it's been designed to calculate. Many individuals find that it reccommends too few fat portions, or  too many grain portions, or too much or too little fruit. It does take some trial and error to find what works best for you right now and it may take some trial and error again later if your needs shift.

SWAMI is a wonderful starting point, and it's likely to need less tweaking than BTD or GTD. Some people can follow SWAMI reccomendations 100% without needing any tweaking at all, but that's not true for all of us.



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I think that was well said.  


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But your body and intuition is important too.  As well as the change of the seasons.  And availability of food.  Like we just are not able to get fresh peaches, plums, and nectarines now, and so on and so forth.  I think are bodies know about eating with the seasons and sometimes it might seem like we're eating too much of one thing, because our swami says so.  I have always struggled with the nut portions.  I'm doing that right now.  For me, it just doesn't feel like enough.  


I definitely agree with that sentiment.

On the nuts, I  think that now and the coming months are a great time to eat nuts and acorns (at least for people living in the Northern hemisphere).

I would guess that is what people used to do->gather them in the Fall and eat them until Spring when other food sources became available.

Supermarkets will sell us nuts year around at roughly the same price. By the time Summer roles around the nuts are no longer good for you since the oils and other substances in the nuts have started to deteriorate (unless you keep them in frozen storage or otherwise preserve them.)

I up my vegetables in the Summer, when I can get good produce locally. This time of year much of the fruit and vegetables that I can get at reasonable prices come from foreign countries and may be laden with pesticides.



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The vegetables I'm eating a lot of now are winter squashes (grown locally and harvested about a month ago), root vegetables (not sure where they're from, but it is something normally available this time of year in this climate), frozen veggies (frozen at the peak of ripeness, whenever or wherever they were processed) and some lettuce shipped in from California (available at a good price from Costco, from a farm that uses minimal pesticides) since I can no longer buy locally grown lettuce at the farmer's market. I eat more soups and fewer salads when it's cool out.


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Well, I don't always follow the change of seasons things to a "T".  I just was saying that our bodies needs change with the seasons.  And what not.  Good point on the nuts, c sharp.  Maybe that's why I'm craving them so much lately.  I eat a salad a day all year round though.  It just seems to feel right to me.  I like the lightness and fiber.  And I think my digestion likes it.  In fact, I don't eat soup much.  I think I need to do that more.  Maybe when it gets even colder I'll crave it more.  I haven't been good at making it.  And I don't want to buy the broths from the store, as I have never seen one that I don't like what's in it or have an allergy to.  I stay away from onions, so....... they're always in broths.


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Quoted from JJR
I would encourage you to eat that food for a while, and see if you don't develop a taste for it


Yes, JJR, I've been on SWAMI a little over 2 months now and have been eating recommended foods that I wouldn't normally eat, trying to give them a fair shake. Where my system is definately more tolerant of eggs, I have decided that my taste buds aren't   I do love an eggs Benedict 2 or 3 times a year, but that's about it. And I've tried to eat turkey a few times (other than T'giving) because I won't eat chicken, and all that's done so far is confirm why I never eat it.   Maybe after some real time passes I'll try again.

Ruthiegirl, you always have great ideas and opinions to offer, I appreciate it  

So, thank you all for your input - it's exactly what I needed  


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Dang, no turkey OR chicken.  Does it mess with you or not like the taste?  Maybe you could try pheasant or, partridge, quail.  Those probably aren't on your swami though, eh?

I probably sounded like a father, but I do that sometimes.  

I love eggs benedict.  I haven't had it in, forever.  I love it though.  We have a restaurant up here that I used to go to a lot when we were first married and I'd get that almost every time.  And they'd serve it with a blueberry muffin too.  I'd usually take that home for later.  Or eat half of it there.  Mmmmmmmm....  But yeah, that hollandaise sauce.  Yum.


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Too bad for me, I don't like poultry in general. An occaisional bite of duck, but that's about it. I'm a finicky eater - I'm a super-taster, it's not my fault!!!  

p.s.  JJR, do you think you could get one of those eggs Benedicts and send it out to me?!?  


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I've tried to eat turkey a few times (other than T'giving) because I won't eat chicken, and all that's done so far is confirm why I never eat it.   Maybe after some real time passes I'll try again.

Are you getting natural turkeys - ie, one that doesn't have the salt brine added?  We used to buy the cheaper, solution added, turkey and wondered why our daughter didn't like turkey.  One year we went to buy a turkey and all that was there was the more expensive, natural bird and she liked it.


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Ground turkey thigh (from WF, if possible, because no added flavors) can be masked with all sorts of flavors, or just eaten like a hamburger. I'm not a huge fan of turkey meat, cooked from the whole bird, but I do like some ground turkey once a week.


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