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I used to do this a long time ago.  Put berries and those types of fruits in my grains.  Raisins or craisins or dried fruits seem to go nicely too.  I had not done this in a long time, since my Doctors assistant said grains are already high in sugars, and this doesn't help digestion.  I'm not sure if I agree with it or not.  I forget where that food combining chart is.  But I do know there is information out there that says you shouldn't.  I'm just curious as to who does it on here and doesn't feel any worse for the wear.  

I know I'm going over an issue that's been discussed before, but if you're game, I'm all ears.  Thank you!      



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Pineapple and flax seed smoothie is what I use for a snack.  This does not effectively count against my rather limited servings of grain - but it does fill me up like as few jam sandwiches.


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I don't see a grain in there paul.  I don't think that applies to my question.  Flax seed is a seed.  Good to hear from you!!!

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Hmmm. We see pictures of this all over the supermarket in order to sell any kind of breakfast grain, especially the trendy neo-european ones, but I can honestly say that I don't do this. One of the reasons being that I am a nonnie that is classified as the type that does not process starches and sugars half so well as the average A secretor.  Secondly, I am not one of those proponents of cereal and fruit (only) as an actual meal, let alone a breakfast meal.....again because I am advised to eat like a king at breakfast. Thirdly -- if I were to use Cream of Rice as my chosen "side dish" during winter, I would just as soon put ghee and seasonings on it rather than choose a fruit, spice, or sweetener.

Lastly -- Amaranth is an extreme power food for me in small quantities, but I do not know what fruit would pair best with its iron-tastic abilities except for perhaps cherries or prunes.


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I had not done this in a long time, since my Doctors assistant said grains are already high in sugars, and this doesn't help digestion.  I'm not sure if I agree with it or not.  I forget where that food combining chart is.  But I do know there is information out there that says you shouldn't.  


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I have noticed that even an AB secretor can be Nonnie-ish in the advice Dr. D'Adamo gives.
Nonnies and the "mysterious" AB's are always "different" creatures.

That reminds me - have to have my cup of green tea now......cheers.......


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Combining fruit and grains sounds like heartburn to my stomach.  

Like Paul, I enjoy smoothies with ground flax and chia seeds combined with pineapple juice and I add a spoonful of goat yogurt and some thick cooked blueberries.  That combo is good and digest easily.



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Spoonfuls of hot quinoa or rice with cooked fruit has given me some of the best fuel I have ever eaten. I add seeds, nutbutters and yoghurt for protein also. Fantastic.
Just add a cup of green tea and I can take on the world
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I have been adding nuts to mine for the protein and it is good that way.  But I'm always curious if I should begin to add some berries or whatever back in.  

Seraffa, no, I have no kindle.  And thank you for spelling it out.  I've always wondered if they got my secretor test wrong because I seem to be more like the nonnies on this board.  And seraffa, I don't eat it for breakfast.  It's my after dinner meal.  


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Quoted from honeybee
Spoonfuls of hot quinoa or rice with cooked fruit has given me some of the best fuel I have ever eaten. I add seeds, nutbutters and yoghurt for protein also. Fantastic.
Just add a cup of green tea and I can take on the world


I once described to someone my first few mouthfuls of Quinoa being like "eating an iron skillet with very little taste otherwise" ....and have since considered it as an additive for recipies such as meatloaf or meatballs. What kind of fruits do you add to Quinoa?


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  I've always wondered if they got my secretor test wrong because I seem to be more like the nonnies on this board.  


I've had other lab test come back labled as "errors" as well, and had to re-retest.



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I add fruit & nuts to my oatmeal... I know the food combining stuff says grains should be eaten alone, but I find if I add the nuts, there is no swing in blood sugar & I stay filled up for hours.  If I forgo the fruit & nuts, I get carb cravings, blood sugar swings & I'm hungry much sooner.  


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Well the protein is what helps with the blood sugar crash.  At least for me.  I'm not sure if the fruit would help that part of it.  But it does seem like there is a reason that the combination is classically paired.  You know, like raisins in oatmeal.  Etc.  Etc.  Maybe it's just because it tastes good.  I don't know.  

I get the blood sugar crashes too without the protein with a grain.  Too starchy.


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I always eat my fruits and berries separate from other foods.  I heard they cause a digestion problem if eaten with protein, I don’t know about grains.


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Quoted from honeybee
Spoonfuls of hot quinoa or rice with cooked fruit has given me some of the best fuel I have ever eaten.  


I steam sprouted quinoa and put mango chunks on top as a breakfast cereal sometimes. Although technically quinoa isn't a grain but a member of the fruit family.
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I always eat my fruits and berries separate from other foods.  I heard they cause a digestion problem if eaten with protein, I don’t know about grains.


Maybe so, but I eat some kind of protein at every meal.  It seems to even my blood sugar out.  I know fruit is supposedly better on it's own.  But I think sometimes fruit aids in digestion of meats when paired together.  Like Cranberries and turkey.  Pineapple and ham.  Well, I don't eat ham, but I ate some pineapple with a turkey slice for snack yesterday and mmmmmmmmm.... Blackberries and beef.  Mulberries and Venison.  Orange and chicken.  Which I don't eat either.


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I could more easily digest fruit with meat than fruit with grains.  But fresh fruit gives me problems anyway.  Getting most of the water out by slow cooking or dehydrating works better for my body.

I used to put raisins in big salads with a dozen vegetables and chunks of turkey or lamb.  That was a great combo for me.



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I like to eat my fruit thirty minutes before or two hours after a meal, so that would be

before oat meal, or after protein (meat/poultry/fish

I will eat fruit, with greens raw like lettuce, spinach, celery, even mushrooms.  especially berries with flaxseed and sliced nuts, added Feels like I'm eating dessert!
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I do some of the combining rules, but Dr. D does not promote it. However, I heard that type O is more sensitive to combinations.
I eat fruit on an empty stomach, often right before the other food. Sweeter heavier fruits need more time before eating other food.
This isn't too well written as I am getting tired. Was is the yummy T-G food?


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JJR - I eat organic apple slices cooked into my pre-cooked, pre-soaked porridge (rolled oats) every morning ... I do better on cooked fruits/foods in general and I find no problem as long as meals are mainly glucose based and not fructose based.

I also like to mix whey into my porridge
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Hi JJR,

It depends if you have digestive troubles.
I agree with Mrs T O+, fruit should be eaten separately because they digest very fast and when eaten together with grains or meat they would ferment while the body digests the grain/ meat which take much longer. Only exception: bananas and grain
Eating meat with fruit probably stems from the fruit containing digestive enzymes which help digestion.
Also, you have to be careful not to eat too much fruit in one go- it is full of sugar and will give you a fructose rush! Ask 'policychecke'r to spell it out for you- he's the expert about fructose here on the forum
All in all why don't you try out what works best for you- I don't think there is only one right way.

Personally, I eat fruit in moderation as snacks in between meals and use banana as sweetener on the rice porridge whenever I have it, which is rarely.
Cutting out all gluten grains and severely restricting all other complex carbs has been my key to health.

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My swami tells me to eat 4 servings of fruit a day.  It's a Nomad thing I guess.  There are days I don't think I get that much.  I don't eat processed sugars, so, the sugar in fruits is I would think, necessary for energy.  Although I also tend towards not sweet fruits.  I've been eating granny smith apples regularly.  Grapefruit, kiwi, berries.  And I do eat some sugary fruits.  Especially lately, as I am trying to up my calories.  But I've always eaten them to a degree.  Dried Figs, Prunes.  Fresh plums are awesome, but most of the fresh stuff is going bye bye now.  Pineapple is awesome for me.  Even though it is sweet.  Yes, I think the enzymes in fruit helps keep me regular.  Especially apples.  

I don't know why you'd treat bananas differently.  In fact, I'd be more leary of putting them in a grain as they are SUPER high in sugar. What is the philosophy behind that? I haven't had a banana in a long while. I've had plantains here and there but those will give me a spike in blood sugar for sure!  I need to try it with some more nuts next time.  Plus I was going to try and do them less ripe and cook them.  

I'm not really sure I want to put more sugar in my grain.  It does seem to be really good with just nuts.  But my Mom has made oatmeal in the past with raisins in it and it is really good!


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My swami suggests 4 servings of fruit and 5 servings of veggies daily.
I eat old fashioned oatmeal every third morning made with almond milk, and add ghee, honey, cinnamon, chia, hemp, and flax seeds with dried cranberries or blueberries. Once in awhile I will eat it with just ghee, cinnamon and dates. With this breakfast I have grapefruit juice or cranberry /grape juice, green and or black tea and a large spoonful of peanut butter.
My other breakfasts are buckwheat flakes, almond or rice milk with fresh blueberries and a large spoonful of peanut butter or almond butter; or, buckwheat waffles with maple syrup and fresh berries and a spoon of peanut butter.
I am supposed to eat 7-9 eggs a week but usually have scrambled eggs once a week.
I eat more fresh fruit than veggies but try to eat alot of both and mix them with whatever I want.   


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I sometimes use small amounts of fruit as a flavoring in grains, such as raisins and apples (pears this year) in the brown rice stuffing in my turkey.

But I don't eat a lot of either one. I need fat and protein with each meal to keep my blood sugar stable. So a meal may consist of turkey, gravy, green beans, plus half a cup of stuffing (containing a few fruits plus the rice) and cranberry sauce (ok, more fruit with the meal) and pumpkin pie or roasted sweet potatoes.

I only get half a cup of fruit per day, and I do NOT do well eating fruit all by itself. My digestion is fine; its' blood sugar swings I need to worry about. I generally do best if my fruit is mixed with a bunch of other foods, such as cranberry sauce with turkey and rice, or raisins and almonds for a snack, or whatever kind of fruit  (in "condiment" portions) mixed into a salad.


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Anybody do veggies in their grains much?  Supposedly according to the food combining rules, this is a better thing to do than fruit.  


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Oh yeah!  Veggies and grains are a perfect combo!  



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I quite often (like always) have fruit with my oatmeal.  Either I cook some raisins, figs, or cranberries with it, then add some applesauce on top, or just cook it with cinnamon and top with applesauce (and maybe nuts or nut butter)...

I also make rice with raisins - like a rice pudding...

I eat veggies anytime, with anything...


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Good to know Joe.  Sounds delicious!!!


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Recently I have been using a protein powder made from brown rice, brazil nut and maca - I mix it with frozen berries, walnut oil, lecithin and water. Would that brown rice powder still be considered a grain? DR D's protein powder for Type B has brown rice powder also.
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If it's whole rice powder, it's a grain.
If it's rice protein isolate, it's vegetarian protein.



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What's the difference?


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The difference is whether the protein has been isolated from the remaining part of the rice.  When the protein is isolated from the starch and fiber, these things are no longer contributing to the rating, so the rating must be different, so it fall under vegetable protein.

As stated, if the whole rice grain is ground and presented, it is considered a grain.


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interesting topic...

grains and fruit... yes, although i usually add some seeds and nuts to it also.
ie: quinoa or millet, banana, cranberry, chia seed, pecans (sometimes with goat milk or cottage cheese).

this combination is fantastic for me... it holds for a long time, gives me lots of energy and helps my digestion/elimination.

quinoa + onions, peppers, cilantro, cumin and lemon juice makes a great salad.


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The food combining rules say that sweet foods go with carbohydrates while sour foods go with proteins.

This means that only fruits that are sweet go well with cereals/breads. This may be a bit tricky, because most of the time fruits have sourness in them, so attention and consideration are called for.


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sounds like a faux tabbouleh


look up food combining principles anyone interested in following those using your BT/GT guidelines and values

http://www.alderbrooke.com/chart.htm
http://www.drkaslow.com/html/food_combining.html


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The kaslow one is a whole lot different than the other teachings.  Interesting.


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Thanks so much for the clarification Victoria & Joe. I have always wondered what isolate meant.
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Thanks so much for the clarification Victoria & Joe. I have always wondered what isolate meant.


I don't consider protein isolates to be foods I would use.  They are so processed.



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I don't consider protein isolates to be foods I would use.  They are so processed.


I knew that to be an issue with whey supplements, did not realise it to be universal though, thanks for the info Victoria. The ingredient I am using is raw biofermented, sprouted brown rice protein.
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I knew that to be an issue with whey supplements, did not realise it to be universal though, thanks for the info Victoria. The ingredient I am using is raw biofermented, sprouted brown rice protein.


I don't know Dr. D's take on rice protein isolates.  This is just my own approach to food.  I do my best to eat as much as possible of whole, unprocessed food.  My experience is that my body knows what to do with whole food.  

I like the sound of sprouted rice protein.  I'm getting really crazy about sprouted things.  Locally, there is a source for soaked, germinated almonds, which are awesome and I've also found sprouted flax seeds



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Sprouted flax seeds sound delicious! The protein powder I bought is this one http://www.edenhealthfoods.com.au/product_details.php?cat=3&pid=91
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Fruit generally should be eaten alone.  Most fruits take 20-30 minutes to digest.  A banana takes up to about an hour.  Having fruit on cereal once in a while is OK but then I'm an O Hunter and I don't really eat cereal regularly.  
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