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Thursday, November 24, 2011, 3:20am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Does coffee CAUSE diabetes in O's and if so how?


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insulin resistance mimicking response to coffee is what I stay away from I settle for Mate and green tea

coffee-elevates cortisol levels which promotes fat storage. mimics insulin resistance hypoglycemia


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I think I understand what you are saying but I am not fat nor do I have any diabetic symptoms like high PB, cholesterol etc. I'm wondering if it CAUSES diabetes or just mimics hypoglycemia? It never made me feel hypoglycemic or food cravy, in fact it tamed my appetite. I understand the cortisol thing and I definately sleep much better without it. I'm wondering if can actually CHANGE your blood sugar readings? not just the way you feel.


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try it out for a while..reintroduce and see how you do


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One food poses different health problems in different persons. Not all people who consume "avoid" foods (eg, coffee is avoid for O's) have diabetic problem: for some O;s, if you consume it in significant quantity regularly, it might instead cause migraine headache, high BP, sleeplessness or some other problems. The efffect of avoid food depends also on your genetic/epigenetic susceptability. Some people consume so much of sugar everyday regularly and you do not see them having diabetes,while you can see others with diabetic problem despite the fact that they do not consume sugar, too much of carbohydrate and so on!



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I think I understand what you are saying but I am not fat nor do I have any diabetic symptoms like high PB, cholesterol etc. I'm wondering if it CAUSES diabetes or just mimics hypoglycemia? It never made me feel hypoglycemic or food cravy, in fact it tamed my appetite. I understand the cortisol thing and I definately sleep much better without it. I'm wondering if can actually CHANGE your blood sugar readings? not just the way you feel.
Good question - remember, not all diabetics are fat
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If I were you I'd leave coffee alone. at 47 it may not obviously affect you, but it will affect you and later you will pay the price i suspect.

did you ever get headaches?

I have spoken to many people about diet and I am amazed at how many do not understand addiction and that try and justify eating avoids, the, the lengths they will go to is incredible, normally sensible, intelligent people, convincing themselves, coffee is not an addictive drug, myself included sometimes lol


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Thank you all for your replies, however, I'm not looking to add it back in as I know it effects me negatively.  I was looking to see if it can actually cause a change in blood sugar numbers or if it just mimics it. I sleep much better without it and it can give me a slight headache. I had changes a few things in June like lowering saturated fat and protein as well as gave up coffee and my blood sugar is much bettr. I was just wondering if coffee made a big difference in that as I am supposed to be able to eat protein and fat and those are two things that should lower BS, therefore , coffee is what's left.


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Mother, coffee has never negatively affected my blood sugar that I can tell.  The reason I know this is that for years, when I would need to get blood drawn for fasting medical tests, the only thing I would drink before the testing is black coffee and my blood sugar has always been fine.

However, I agree with Kumar.  One person's food could be another person's poison.  The cortisol issue is another issue entirely and I would love to know more about that.


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Quoted from Mother
Thank you all for your replies, however, I'm not looking to add it back in as I know it effects me negatively.  I was looking to see if it can actually cause a change in blood sugar numbers or if it just mimics it. I sleep much better without it and it can give me a slight headache. I had changes a few things in June like lowering saturated fat and protein as well as gave up coffee and my blood sugar is much bettr. I was just wondering if coffee made a big difference in that as I am supposed to be able to eat protein and fat and those are two things that should lower BS, therefore , coffee is what's left.


Yes, it can actually change blood sugar numbers. It only "mimics" certain problems because blood chemistry may revert to normal once the coffee is stopped; so by definition, it wasn't a "real" disease state, just a drug/food that "mimicked" it.

I don't know if coffee consumption can actually "lead to  diabetes" or not, but it certainly can lead to "poor glucose control" in type O diabetics who continue to consume it. Of course, it doesn't always have this effect, as we're all individuals, but it can have this effect.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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As I see the coffee thing:  IT IS A BEAN we should not have...  It is much easier to comprehend the AVOID in a BEAN then in the word coffee.  Dr D said it's not the caffeine that triggers issues so we can have caffeine in green tea without ill effects... understanding that is helpful.

I do think if you see the 'idea' of coffee as a BEAN it will make things clearer.  Then add the roasting and glazing to them and this then it is like eating burned beans... burned foods are cancer factories... in this case taxing the pancreas first and the liver, kidneys and intestines later...

The triggers affected in that way are many, effecting the body responses, both positive in some foods and in coffee negatively.  Like eating a bean bread, or a bean liqueur like for instance Baileys Irish Cream made with coffee.  

   http://www.cupcakeproject.com/.....p;   

AND they sold it as medicinal : for that is what coffee is : a diuretic.  AND we where indoctrinated to drink it early in the day, then all day, and expect to be healthy from it.  

AND I do like the flavor of coffee, cream and deserts and the friendship of it all...

As to the question you asked... its the effects, not the coffee, I think other things could be as bad, like some drugs that bother the body, or smoking, or who knows what.  

I DO believe that IF YOU NEVER drank a single cup of coffee you would still develop diabetes if it is in your GENETIC inheritance listed as a destiny.   You can avoid or push out the destiny, but the  'facts' of you being a potential diabetic is still within the body from BIRTH.  I can attest to that by telling this true story:  When I was 20 year old, no one knew anything about diabetes on my fathers side, everyone lived to old age, but I had a bout of diarrhea that got me to the hospital 3 am.. then I was told to eat ginger ale and Jello .. the doc went away for three days and I had a steady diet of those foods.. at the end if which they took blood samples and told me that I was 'diabetic'...  I laughed it off and had never any issues again until after menopause 30 years later.  So you see I was 'Diabetic' person according to my gene expression even then- and eventually my dad became diabetic.  

In the olden days people died within 3 years after onset of diabetes.. today there are drugs to help... but even with better numbers we are diabetics always...  

NOW having said all that, I also battled over weight having gone up from 125 to 198 some years ago and became ever more 'diabetic.  Last 3 year my numbers where bad and I could not budge them...  Eating low carbs and BTD pushed diabetes out for decades that I am certain off, but it could not prevent it!  YET I lost 30 pounds over 10 years and still the numbers where bad.. until I went on my most recent diet, and dropped 20 more pounds (rapidly - by affecting my pituitary gland - posted earlier), now at 150 pounds I am close to numbers that will allow me to go off the drugs... But I will still need to protect my feet and eyes as if I was a diabetic for the rest of my life...

The way diabetes works is: that the pancreas is triggered by the adrenals, my adrenals misfire to often because the pituitary is not sorting things out correctly and coffee triggers these misfirings... So yes coffee is involved in the triggers, because like any grain, coffee beans (coffee is it's 'juice') is just that - on avoid for me... So getting off coffee is a big thing for me.. headaches and all...  I have been doing it every which way for years...........  and suffer the loss - for I like the taste and find nearly no other drink as satifying... I am on addict, and coffee is one I am susceptible to.  I am glad that its not scotch whiskey.. but for my pituitary health - there is basically no difference.             Did I answer you're question?


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I DO believe that IF YOU NEVER drank a single cup of coffee you would still develop diabetes if it is in your GENETIC inheritance listed as a destiny.   You can avoid or push out the destiny, but the  'facts' of you being a potential diabetic is still within the body from BIRTH.  


I disagree with part of this statement. Yes, the genetic potential for diabetes may be present from birth, but potential is not destiny. True, diabetes can certainly develop without ever drinking coffee, if you consume too many carbs for your body to handle. Over time your body's "insulin response system" wears out and diabetes develops.

When I was a teenager, my maternal grandfather died of complications from uncontrolled diabetes. 11 years ago, my Mom was diagnosed with type II diabetes. A few months later, I got pregnant, and halfway thought that pregnancy I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes. I immediately cut back on sugars,emphasized protien and fat, and overall lowerd the GI of my diet. While I wasn't  truly "low carb" at that time, and I hadn't yet heard of BTD or GTD, I've basically been following a "diet to control type II diabetes" since that time.

I've refined my diet over the years (low carb then BTD then SWAMI), and I've certainly had the odd day when I ate poorly, but I've basically been on a low sugar diet for ten and a half years. I don't expect to ever develop diabetes, even though I know I'm prone to it.

Nor do I expect my kids to develop this disease, even though they also have family history of it.  They're not eating nearly as much junk as I did at their ages, and they eat right for their blood types about 90% of the time. None of their diets are as "perfect" as mine,  but they don't have to be. They don't have decades of damage to heal from, and they already have the tools at their disposal (dietary knowledge) so they can increase compliance if they ever face any health challenges. I've spared them a lot of "muddling through" that I endured.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Ruthie,
THANK YOU for answering my question! It makes complete sense. I am wondering where you got this information as I would like to know more. The internet pretty much says it's good for diabetes. lol. The more I know, the easier it is to not cave on these cold dreary days. I just need the reinforcement lately. I don't plan to add it in, I just want to strengthen my mind! Thank you so much!

Goldie, yes you too answered my question. The adrenaline thing makes a ton of sense as well. I am not diabetic but I bet if I didn't eat the way I do I sure would be. I'm sure it's in my genes as I have very few other symptoms of metabolic syndrome.
Coffee is the hardest thing to give up and the easiest to add. I'm just in need  of strenght. Thanks to you and Ruthie, I'm good now, at least for awhile. .
I work hard to keep my stress and cortisol/adrenal functions under control as I know that impacts my BS for sure. Stands to reason coffee would only make that worse.
Thanks again ladies


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