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Are any of those vegetables cooked, or do you mostly eat raw salads?


I eat both raw and cooked vegetables. Greens as above are often cooked.

Sprouts - Raw and cooked
Artichoke-always cooked
Avocado - Always raw
Beet - Usually raw in smoothies
Bok choy cooked
Broccoli - cooked mostly
Brussels sprouts -cooked
Carrot-mostly raw
Dandelion - usually raw, but not always
Kale-Cooked mostly unless in smoothie
Mushrooms usually cooked
Pumpkin always cooked
Chard cooked unless in smoothie
Tomatillo cooked usually
Tomato usually raw but not always
Squash -cooked usually
Zucchini half raw and half cooked
Sea vegetables (dried) usually not cooked
Pimento - raw and cooked
Sweet potato leaves -cooked
Okra Cooked
Spinach - raw usually cooked some
Lettuce nearly always raw
Garlic cooked mostly
Onions cooked mostly
Ginger cooked mostly
Bamboo Shoot-cooked
Peas raw(often from frozen) and cooked
green beans - cooked

I do eat a lot of salads. I just ate three and a half cups of baby romaine leaves.


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Thanks.  Just checking because some people who eat their vegetables only raw sometimes develop difficulty assimilating the nutrients.



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Quoted from Victoria
Thanks.  Just checking because some people who eat their vegetables only raw sometimes develop difficulty assimilating the nutrients.


Not meaning to hijack but this is interesting. Anything online that might be a good read?
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Make pumpkin seeds a snack, for zinc, or take some extra zinc. I did not notice any ginger or lemon juice, you might want to consider it because low fats, especially omega 3, equals bad circulation not just bad nerves (I just upped mine and took aspirin to get some better circulation back, for a couple weeks). Increase your Omega 3's a lot, at least for awhile. I would try flaxseed. There is a reason Dr. D recommends it for Teachers. By the way I always use more olive oil. When I make eggs or tofu scramble I just put some on top of it. When I make stir-fry I just put some on top of it when done. If I eat other fats I can feel the problem, but with Omega 3's even if my body doesn't want more it is never a problem I can discern. In fact in the past I ate bread and olive oil nearly daily. That was more like a quarter to half cup several days a week. I started to feel better than ever and greatly increased concentration along with memory (at that time). I had weird digestion but it was actually pretty darn good (better than now).

Lower stress. Exercise but try to find one day where you do not leave the house, especially when you get a burst of energy that would make you want to.

Unfortunately smaller meals more often would benefit you (and me I am sure) for better absorption, I assume. It is easier on the body. It is also kind of only convenient when you are retired or unemployed but can deal with it for awhile. Taking Omega 3 supplement between meals on an empty stomach would help this to some degree.

That is my take.
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I generally grind flaxseed in smoothies.

I was doing lemon juice and water in the morning, but it was creating canker sores-so I now just add lemon juice to other products.

I use ginger in cooking and sometimes in ginger tea.


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I find flaxseed is hard to digest. If I eat whole ones they pass through. When I mix it with yogurt I am sure I get some omega 3's, but nothing like I do with straight oil.

Do you concentrate better when you eat some grains? I do. Sugar is the opposite usually. Florescent lights destroy all my concentration so I turn them off at work in my office area of the lab.
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For most things I do with flaxseed, i grind them.

I do not notice a difference in concentration from eating grains and not eating grains.

I am not really able to avoid the fluorescents at work. They do not bother me as much as some people.


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Quoted from Lloyd

Not meaning to hijack but this is interesting. Anything online that might be a good read?

Sorry, Lloyd.  My statement is referring to observing a number of my friends (probably around a couple dozen over a 20 year period) who ate only raw vegetables and no cooked ones.  Meat and fish were cooked and the rest of their diets varied.  These were not people following the BTD, however many of them were focusing loosely on the recommendations for their types.

I saw an alarming number of these friends developing frequent oral herpes lesions, pale complexions, weight gain and lowered immune function - frequent colds and flu, sinus infection, ear infection; skin conditions such as eczema type patches; osteoporosis.

The wide variety of nutrients that they should have been getting from the abundance of vegetables eaten didn't seem to me to be translating into a balanced health system in their bodies.

Purely anecdotal.  



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Have you ever used music for lowering stress?

I try to listen to an album a few nights a week. It helps having a good stereo (mine is all home made audiophile stuff, well mostly, but the home made power conditioner is the main thing for making music therapeutic). Depending on how stressed I have been it can be like going into a deep trance. It works faster and better than meditating for me (mild success with it).

If your adrenals where not tired I just imagine you would not have much issue with absorbing enough fats. It is an ugly catch 22 though as you may of noticed.

Monotony of never "doing something for myself" like staying home one night, listening to an album, sitting somewhere outside near water or on a mountain by myself, or something, gets to me after awhile. When I am like you and feel off I forget all the things I can do and enjoy instead of just continuing with the same pattern. It is like I can't remember that I can feel better so I am not even certain I am stressed out.

It is easy to wrapped up altruism of spending time with others, expectations of ones self, all sorts of things. I got one friend who won't lift a finger for others typically but is a teacher, I find him inspiring; he looks healthy and keeps his weight all the way down.

Victoria, I am not sure what it is like to be a non-seceretor Teacher, but I can tell you I do better cooking vegetables to some degree. They already pass semi-undigested half the time so I got to do what I can to help. I find keeping them not entirely dehydrated from cooking is good though. In my pan I try to use some water.
  
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Sorry, Lloyd.  My statement is referring to observing a number of my friends (probably around a couple dozen over a 20 year period) who ate only raw vegetables and no cooked ones.


A lot of material online is from the raw food movement that says you need to eat food raw to not destroy enzymes and other important components of the food.

But there are studies that cooking enhances the availability of nutrients.

Here is one on vegetables:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/359175.stm

Nutrition Journal:

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/122/11/2161.long
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The wide variety of nutrients that they should have been getting from the abundance of vegetables eaten didn't seem to me to be translating into a balanced health system in their bodies.


My understanding is raw food diet leaves one short protein, vitamin D, Omega-3 fatty acids, Vitamin B12, Iron, Zinc

Some of these would have been taken care of by eating cooked fish and meat, but perhaps your friends were still short some important nutrients.



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Well so what is the plan C_Sharp?

You know yourself better than we do.

(Oh and some people Steam their vegetables for the reasons above)
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Maybe my friends just didn't chew their salads very well.  There are no teeth in the stomach after all.    Steaming or light cooking breaks the cell wall enough to make more nutrients available.



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Well so what is the plan C_Sharp?

You know yourself better than we do.

(Oh and some people Steam their vegetables for the reasons above)


I will do a biofeedback session next week before deciding on a plan.

A lot of times vegetables are fixed at work. This is non optimal since I may microwave or use the cafeteria where I have less control.
When at home, the vegetables are often steamed or roasted when I am not combining them with a protein (egg,tofu,turkey ...). Sometimes they are roasted then.  But stir frying is faster and I never can be at home for long.



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Might I suggest eating your salad at lunch, so you don't have to use the micro, and then make dinner at home so you can cook it?  

I don't really know how bad the microwave is.  I'm told it alters the cells in the food, to a degree that's not good.  I don't know.  I just avoid it now.  It does seem suspect, as it just seems like too good to be true type of thing.


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It seems that, for many, SWAMI reccomended amounts of fats and oils aren't adequate. Some people find that they can "get away with" higher amounts of fat without  trouble. Others find that they actually  *need* more than SWAMI suggests. IIRC, PT did fairly well ignoring SWAMI portions of fats (while  following all other portion reccomendations) and did very well, until she was very close to her "ideal weight" and then needed to  cut back on fat to get the scale moving again.

For starters, I wouldn't count supplements in the daily fat intake.  Secondly, I'd count a biofeedback machine that tested your body "as it is right now" over a computer program that calculates "how much fat you should need" but isn't programmed to allow for such factors as malabsorption. If you're only absorbing half the fat you consume, you'll need to consume twice as much to absorb what your body needs. SWAMI is a wonderful program, but it's not nearly as complex as the human body and the results often need tweaking.


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try adding more fermented veggies in your everyday plan....use as relish or salsa, to accompany your entrees


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Might I suggest eating your salad at lunch, so you don't have to use the micro, and then make dinner at home so you can cook it?


I go to work at 9AM return home at about 2:30 AM (exact time varies, but never before midnight) If I cook when I get home, I am eating at about 3:30 in the morning.



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Secondly, I'd count a biofeedback machine that tested your body "as it is right now" over a computer program that calculates "how much fat you should need" but isn't programmed to allow for such factors as malabsorption. If you're only absorbing half the fat you consume, you'll need to consume twice as much to absorb what your body needs. SWAMI is a wonderful program, but it's not nearly as complex as the human body and the results often need tweaking.


SWAMI is programmed to know that I am an A nand various other things.

The fact that I am an A indicates I do not digest fats well.

Its solution for As that do not digest fat well is to eat less of it.

Which may be a good strategy in general but not in my case.

Or an excellent strategy, since I have high cardiovascular risk profile (which SWAMI knows about).


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In memory of this forum thread I ate a bunch more olive oil last night. My skin feels superb.

Why do tall teachers need more omega 3 than other people, in big amounts? Eating less is not a reality for either you or I currently.  

What type of work demands that schedule? That would destroy me I think. Do you work every day and will it ever back off, like is it seasonal or something?
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What type of work demands that schedule? That would destroy me I think. Do you work every day and will it ever back off, like is it seasonal or something?


I work less on weekends.  So I shop and prepare foods for the week on Saturday.

I am an Informatics teacher. You can tell by the amount of time that I am on here that I am not concentrating fully on teaching. While students do lab exercises or assignments I answer questions online, but I need to be available to answer their questions and troubleshoot computer problems.  When the students are done asking questions, then I prepare new labs and lectures.


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Do you get a summer and winter break?

Any time where you are not doing distinctly what you want in the environment you choose, is still taxing.

Well best of luck to you. Eating a bunch more olive oil is making me feel good but I am or may not have a gift of flaxseed from NAP on the way. The flaxseed from NAP is sooo heavy in Omega 3 compared to the 6 and 9, very powerful.
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Aaaaah, that just doesn't seem healthy.  I know a job is a job, but I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around that schedule.  How long have you had that schedule?  

In my personal experience, I don't think you can keep that up without burning out.  That's just my perception.  Maybe I'm crazy.

As far as suggestions go, there are no ovens where you work?  Maybe take a slow cooker with you and just throw some veggies in there.  The meat too.  All you need is a plug, and time.  Which seems like you might have.


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