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I am of a type that does not digest fat well, so SWAMI has minimized this relative to the rest of my diet.

With SWAMI, I get 4 tablespoons of fat per week all of which disappear in foods that I cook or are part of supplements.

Biofeedback (scio) testing indicates that my body is so short of fats that it is compromising the functioning of my immune and nervous systems.

Do others think the biofeedback data is sufficient to altar the diet?

I crave nuts and nut butters and eat more than I probably should (reducing beans to allow this). I also am eating fatty fish.


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I wonder if it is because you have trouble with digesting/assimilating fats and for this lipase digestive enzyme would help. How is your skin, is it supple or dry?  Also oil helps with bowels.

I have 6 Tbs. weekly and had not thought to factor in the fish oil caps which I should do. Other than the fish oil caps, of all the diamond oils, what resonates with me is flax seed oil. I take 2 tsp. before bed.

Is your gallbladder challenged? I have no gallbladder, I'm an Explorer/Secretor. I can now have lecithin with my Secretor status; even though it is neutral, it helps greatly to emulsify fats. NOW makes non-GMO granules. I have begun to take some this week in my porridge and it feels a lot better in there! Do you get lecithin at all?

Well, this is my two cents, I hope that it helps. Remember the saying that keeps going around on the board that we are all individuals and I  believe that we can tweak it and see what works. Also people have mentioned that if you go and get a professional SWAMIE done, the Dr.'s tweak it even more for the client.
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My skin would be dry, but not enough that I have to use moisturizing products.

I do use some lecithin (goes into smoothie), but I could increase it.

According to the biofeedback it is my adrenals that are challenged rather than my gallbladder.


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My skin would be dry, but not enough that I have to use moisturizing products.

I do use some lecithin (goes into smoothie), but I could increase it.

According to the biofeedback it is my adrenals that are challenged rather than my gallbladder.


How do you feel? Do you feel like you need more fats? By craving nuts and nut butters, you need something. Strong cravings are either linked to something bad that we are consuming or the body's need for that nutrient (usually.)

Can you increase the oils and beneficial fats in your diet? Change up the exercise a bit? Are you eating enough fruits and vegies and proteins?

Melissa



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By the way, I cannot imagine 4 T of fat per week - I use that in one spinach saute...I should hush because God only knows what SWAMI will give me.



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I am not sure I believe in SWAMI's recommendations for fats. Firstly it is nearly impossible if you cook in cast iron (while soy lecithin works, it also steals taste from everything). Next up my lab results for fats where awesome. My HDL was 58, the goal is to hit near or just above 40. However I believe that the body often will show good "numbers" even though the truth is there is not enough to "go around" in the body for some nutrients; just enough to show good lab data and keep essentials going. To me proof is in the response. If I get a lot more of certain nutrients I feel better even though lab data will say I am fine. If yours indicates low I would take it pretty serious.

I use olive oil as I need it, and eat whatever I can get my hands on with Omega 3's in it. I mix flaxseed meal with yogurt for one. I also use some ghee. Just before the tests I had been taking raw flaxseed oil which had dramatic effects on my cardiovascular system with "sticky blood" type issues. My circulation and feeling in legs is better. How good is your olive oil? My guess is you are either experiencing an imbalance, or eating more is not the issue.

Without a doubt though trying to digest unrecommended fats is uncomfortable. Fried food, high omega 6 fats, peanut butter oil, anything but Omega 3's relatively is just a pain for me. Also the ratio can not be overstated. I don't even like to play little games of balance. I always feel better outright consciously trying to concentrate on Omega 3's. When I use to run they brought me from falling apart back-together again (flaxseed did, and way prior Dr D's work).

I use to eat a lot more nuts. I would dig into them, but the trouble is the balance of some of them. Many of them are not high in Omega 3's. If you notice Teacher allotments for nuts are not as high as Warriors, also.

You might want to consider this, especially if you are overdoing nuts.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT3%2D6SYN

Do you get enough Zinc? Without you will not make enzymes at the right level.

Also do you eat a bit past full ever? That one gets me often because my digestive power is low (sorta pathetic right now). Stress makes it worse, low omega 3's make it bad too. It is frustrating to know more food (digested) would make you feel better and not be able to eat them because it will be less digested than ideal, thereby producing a bad gut flora situation.

What do your nerve issues feel like? I have had a lack of sensation for awhile, skin, orgasm, taste, appreciation for nature, all of it. Stress does not help at all. Everything seems to kind of off-put it though. These days they are all just kinda half or much lower than what they use to be. Once in-awhile something awesome happens and they come back a bit stronger momentarily. After my hellish time with diarrhea I got some back after not eating and sitting around for a few days. I think stress weighs in big on digestive power. If you are stressed out right now it might fight you on this no matter what you try to eat.
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Quoted from C_Sharp
My skin would be dry, but not enough that I have to use moisturizing products.

I do use some lecithin (goes into smoothie), but I could increase it.

According to the biofeedback it is my adrenals that are challenged rather than my gallbladder.


My adrenals are without a doubt taxed. I know what it is like when they are not. I never digest stuff as well when they are, ever. Unfortunately the best thing for in the past was to sit on my butt for around a month when I didn't have school. Then my digestive power came back way better than ever. That was not too recent. Life managed to get in the way now I am trying to get back there again.
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Do others think the biofeedback data is sufficient to altar the diet?
I use Muscle Response Testing and how I feel to verify quantities and the diet guidelines for what foods, etc. to eat.  Until I get finished with the detox and healing, I think this is probably best, as my body isn't really "normal" now.  



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I also work with bioresonance system called Vega (I know Scio and others ) and I think all are working similar and can be trusted. I'd go for moderate omega 3 oil intake or krill.


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Olive oil would be what I would increase.  It is great on foods and very good for you.  Since you are already eating oily fish, I would go for the olive oil.

I had a test done that measured my fatty acids and many other markers and I was told to eat more olive oil.  Not that you and I are the same, but I think instead of adding a supplement for your fat needs, it might be nice to enjoy your fat with food!


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When it comes to food.. I am a follower.. I tested it so many times and never want to go off diet.. IT just does not ever work out..

give the diet another 3 month keeping track of all gains or losses - then review..
Good will come from that..


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There is no way SWAMI can know the up and down needs of our bodies.  It is a GREAT guideline.  That's my opinion.

You may think about supplementing with a digestive enzyme, like lypo gold, to digest your fats.  Everyone needs fat.  It is individual as to how much, so I have no clue, but if you're not digesting your fats well, your body may need to play catch up.  How you do that effectively is a different story all together.  I sometimes crave eating fruits with my meats.  Like cranberries or green apples.  This might help.  I don't know.  I struggle with the same problem.  My doctor pushes the cultured vegetables to help with digestion on all levels, and I'm pretty sure eating them helps a great deal.  Also the enzymes.  Probiotics too.


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If your skin is too dry perhaps you are getting too much sugar of some sort or another.

I used to have oily skin prior to starting BTD now it is normal.

How often do you shower, do you use a chlorine filter? They make an amazing difference.

Is any part of your skin dryer than others or becomes dryer faster?


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Uh he was wondering about nerve issues, not dry skin?
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Just out of curiosity, have you measured your body fat percentage?

Not sure where that may be going.
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I can't say for you, of course    But in my own case, I strongly felt imbalanced with the amount of fats I was permitted on my SWAMI.

What worked for me was adding in a wide assortment of permitted fat sources, but each in a very small amount.  Each type of fat offers something unique.  So I am exceeding my SWAMI recommendations, but not by a large amount, and like you, I really crave nut/nut butters.  I used to eat a lot of ghee, a lot of nut butter and a lot of olive oil.  I still eat all of those in amounts that are a little more than my food plan shows.  Plus, I eat 1/3 pound of fatty fish every day and a cod liver oil capsule.  And - - some ground chia and ground flax.  

Even with all that, I'm still eating way less fats than I used to.  



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I suspect I eat clearly more fats than SWAMI recommends. Well, I'm O secretor and fats really are not my biggest problem to digest. Especially olive oil is what I consume really much sometimes...


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The digestive enzyme lipase breaks down fats. Bile emulsifies fat (so does lecithin). You need both the enzyme and the soaping effect. If your bile is thick, it won't work so you need lecithin and to support the liver (junk gets recycled) and also to make sure you are getting enough water and good salt to make good consistency bile. The detox olive oil/lemon protocol is probably good. If you aren't producing enough lipase, you need to supplement it. And eat slow and chew well. Raw fats that stll have the enzymes may be easier. If you can rule out your gallbladder. Avacado is nice. I like eggs (when I can mentally get over it). I have zero issue digesting a raw egg (think about fat with enzymes and lecithin).

Seems like we have a lot in common. Have/having similar issues. Adrenals were blasted, but also electrosensitive. Grounding is wonderful. Challenged adrenals mess up everything digestion wise. Fight or flight, etc.

We generally crave what we can't digest, then we avoid it because it hasn't been broken down properly and the body is overloaded with cleaning it up. I went through this exact cycle with fats right before I learned about it in a class. Light bulbs going off in my head when the instructor spoke about it.


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Some of the good fats need to be taken when insulin levels aren't high because they change into an inflammatory form in the presence of insulin. Don't know the details of this cascade in detail yet so I'm just playing it safe.

I'm currently taking my fish oil caps with a digestive enzyme and a tad of lecithin awhile before I eat. Since it's a multiple enzyme and it has celluase and I have some mercury present (cellulase kills yeast which is protective of mercury) I throw a few chlorella in the mix. Seems to be working well, but I haven't researched very deep on this and have only been doing for a week or so based on what I've learned. Bouncing back from a neuro/electrical crisis quite well, I think.

Loomis enzymes, plant based (active in stomach, then in intestinal track).


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Corrected above from lactase to lipase. Brain glitch. lol.


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That's not really my point, in total.  It may not be the answer.  If he's not breaking down what he eats currently, than more isn't going to help.  BUT, sometimes are bodies fluctuate with the change of seasons, health issues, etc, with how much we need of a certain thing or not need.


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I work with BIO meaning BODY feedback and often when I get results like lets say a reading on osteoporosis, the IMBALANCE might lead some to think that the person MIGHT need CALCIUM..

In truth:  she might need other supporting MINERALS.. that then is the trick with biofeedback.. the good thing is that with my equipment the response patterns of my equipment will address the needs on a sub-atomic level so in the end it will create the inner BODY balance needed to make correction...

Tests are only worth looking at in their connections to the opposites.  In Chinese meds that is done easier as they seek balance in opposites rather then one size fits all.  

IF you indeed have LYME or even if they say you do not have it - THINK of your body being affected by some thing AS IF it was Lyme and then do what those people do that have it.  They suffer most from some microbial infestation which prevents them from digesting or absorbing or eliminating certain foods.  When that happens the label does not matter, but the effects are the same.  Treatment might best be approached to create microbial changes, whether your doctor recognizes the LYME or not (YET).  

What do you eat now?  I know you have been here long and know what to eat, but actually, what have you done lately?  lets say in one day?  taken what sups, done internal cleanses? taken sauna? walked if you had energy?  worked happy or worked feeling miserable?..   All that would matter more then just a test result...   what foods make you feel great? good? or indifferent? or miserable or whatever?  The answers are in the WHOLE not the one item... LOOK at the why you should do something, then evaluate against your experience.    

Adelle Davis was a big proponent of eating some fats by the spoons full UNTIL she saw results for  certain issues, many having to do with experienced behavior.  Anxiety / stress / experience might be one such.  I think with your history of digestion issues, you already know what might be good for you, if you listen to your body/memory/experience you will find the answer...  I am always 'suspect' of any western test.. they are good for pointing in certain directions, but the direction might be way wrong - for YOU... so you be the JUDGE...  

You have embarked on a life journey, trying to get you well, as did many here, the journey is only endurable when we trust what we know, and eat compliant to support what WE KNOW or by TESTING what we know.  Then when things go wrong we sort of know why and anxiety or body stressors are lessened (over time)  This is a long range 'testing' your strength journey.

Do I make sense? I mean to encourage you... sometimes I wonder if I come across that way..      


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>How do you feel?

Well not the greatest, hence the biofeedback session.

>Do you feel like you need more fats?
>By craving nuts and nut butters, you need something.
>Strong cravings are either linked to something bad that we are consuming

In truth I tend to always want fatty foods.

The stereotype of woman want sweets, men wan foods high in fat applies in my case.

So even when I ate more fat I still wanted more.

>Can you increase the oils and beneficial fats in your diet?

Very easily. SWAMI has me doing all sorts of evasive measures to not use oil. Can I bake without oil. Can I stir fry with no oil...

>Change up the exercise a bit?

That may actually be more challenging with my existing schedule.

>Are you eating enough fruits and vegies and proteins?

I think so more details later

>Do you get enough Zinc?

Biofeedback indicates no.

I sometimes supplement zinc explicitly, currently I only have it in multimineral and other supplements.

>Also do you eat a bit past full ever?

Not that I feel. But I do eat considerably more in one sitting than other people do.

>Also do you eat a bit past full ever?

In addition to the "lack of sensation" already described I have lack of concentration and focus issues. Also manifests in headaches, numbness, and tingling.

>I use Muscle Response Testing and how I feel to verify quantities and the diet guidelines for what foods

I may not be skillful enough to get quantities. I generally get positive signals on fats. Particular fats I get consistent negative signals-most in line with SWAMI. I will get negative signals on particular brands and even particular bottles.

I get greater variability with nuts and nut butters than I get with oils.

> I'd go for moderate omega 3 oil intake or krill

Currently taking krill. I sometimes wonder about Krill since I have negative rating for shrimp.

>You may think about supplementing with a digestive enzyme

I debate about this. Because my understanding is that when following the diet we should not need these. Althoug I did note that the teacher supplements contain betaine HCL.

>More is not always an appropriate answer.

I am keeping this in mind.

But it is the simple/easy answer.

I just told my students that 90% of problems have a simple solution that should be used (This is in software engineering, not diet problems). But I also wonder if I am making something unnecessarily complicated that has a simple and obvious solution.

>How often do you shower, do you use a chlorine filter?

The intention is each morning, but it can be omitted if time does not permit.
I filter drinking water and shower water.

>wondering about nerve issues, not dry skin?

I get paid for my intellectual prowess and not my appearance. So until my skin problem become so severe that they interfere with my ability to live they will probably be ignored.

>have you measured your body fat percentage

Bioelectric Impedance Analysis indicated low body fat. I do not remember the numbers.

But nothing startling for being 6 foot 3 and weighing 160 pounds.

>What worked for me was adding in a wide assortment of permitted fat sources,
>but each in a very small amount.

I struggle with this. Since I would like to use a greater variety of oils, but when I only have 4 tablespoons a week and I split it between several types, I am concerned that the oil will go rancid before I consume an entire bottle.
>The digestive enzyme lipase breaks down fats. Bile emulsifies fat (so does lecithin).

I take lipase sometimes (in a  mixture with other digestive enzymes). I generally do not use it with dishes that I add fat to. Since with SWAMI I add so little. Perhpas I should be. Maybe I need to take it with the nut butters, but I often feel there that I am only doing a couple tablespoons why bother with a pill.

I am out of lecithin at a moment, but normally I include that in smoothies.

>The detox olive oil/lemon protocol is probably good.

I have debated about whether the fat used in the protocol should be counted. I finally came to the conclusion it is ingested fat it must be counted whether it is absorbed or not. Two tablespoons of olive oil meant that I could not have any other fat half a week. I did not feel like my body wanted to do without fat for that long. So I now rarely do the protocol, so I can use my fat allocation in ways that are more likely to be absorbed.


> good fats need to be take when insulin levels aren't high

I generally consume the fat with other foods.

I have never tracked insulin levels. My suger levels are normally high.


>What do you eat now?

Of course it varies, but here is a sample

Breakfast: two eggs
7 oz Salmon
1 onion and small amounts of other spices, rice bran oil

Dinner: 4 ounces turkey
4 cups salad (lettuce spinach, carrots, peas, cherry tomato, broccoli)
2 1/2 cups Yellow squash

Lunch: 2 cups chard, I cup dandelion leaf, peanuts, peanut butter fresh cranberries, ginger, onion

Snacks: Grapefruit, walnuts, several plums, green smoothie

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Grain did not happen to get hit in the last day: But I do eat rics and quinoa. I used to do flaxbread, but that has to go when I up my compliance since I find I need to use oil to make it.

Common foods missed above (hits greens a little hard): I do a lot of green beans, black beans, pears, pineapple, green tea,dates, dried cranberries, blueberries, almonds, ghee, olive oil


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Are any of those vegetables cooked, or do you mostly eat raw salads?



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