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Dr. Steve Nenninger wrote this book about Igg testing, you can down load it here.

He is a good friend of Dr. D'Adamo.


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You know, Policy Checker, you made me think about something.  When I was at Mayo clinic last year, they checked me with a blood test and biopsy for celiacs.  Problem is, I barely ever ate wheat before hand.  I would sometimes eat the croutons on a salad from Panera, but if I did, it would've been once a week, or so.  And I would never eat them all, it was more like a treat.  So, I probably didn't have enough wheat in my system for them to have a proper diagnosis.  Because they said I wasn't celiac.  Also, my IGg showed no reaction to wheat.  But I sure get it when I eat cake.  It might be the sugar more than the wheat though.  I don't really eat bread any more.


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I thought the main wheat issue for O's was binding to the insulin receptor.

Not reacting to a bunch of foods is a good thing. You may be digesting your food thoroughly and not leaking it into the blood (maybe you are blessed with a great gut) and/or you are getting the variety of good foods you need to maintain health. I think VARIETY of good foods must be a big key.

The immune response being balanced means the body doesn't get overly reactive to things. Don't know much about the testing. Downloaded that ebook for later. Thanks Andrea.

Maybe you do have a protective type genetic component.  


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http://www.wellsphere.com/lupu.....nenninger-nd/1348472


Dr. Steve Nenninger wrote this book about Igg testing, you can down load it here.

He is a good friend of Dr. D'Adamo.


Andrea, thank you very much for sharing this link.  I will be out of touch for a bit as I have a very busy weekend.  I will read this and respond at my earliest possible convenience.  I appreciate all this wonderful support as I try to grasp all of this.  


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I haven't read all the responses to this thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating something.  Remember that blood tests aren't always accurate.  Remember that even if you "test" fine for something, it doesn't mean it's okay--it means you don't make antibodies against it. You can still be intolerant. And even if you "test" poorly for something, it doesn't mean it's bad--it just means you were sensitive to it that day.  Lay off a while and test again and it'll be different.  I would trust the GTD list over ELISA tests and even over SWAMI. SWAMI changes depending on the info you fill in, right?  I need to have it redone myself, but that's beside the point.  My husband and oldest daughter got the ELISA tests done a few years ago (pre-BTD) and while they did shed some light at the time, this diet is better.  Of course if you have a problem with a food that's recommended for you, lay off for a while and then try it again.


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I haven't read all the responses to this thread, so forgive me if I'm repeating something.  Remember that blood tests aren't always accurate.  Remember that even if you "test" fine for something, it doesn't mean it's okay--it means you don't make antibodies against it. You can still be intolerant. And even if you "test" poorly for something, it doesn't mean it's bad--it just means you were sensitive to it that day.  Lay off a while and test again and it'll be different.  I would trust the GTD list over ELISA tests and even over SWAMI. SWAMI changes depending on the info you fill in, right?  I need to have it redone myself, but that's beside the point.  My husband and oldest daughter got the ELISA tests done a few years ago (pre-BTD) and while they did shed some light at the time, this diet is better.  Of course if you have a problem with a food that's recommended for you, lay off for a while and then try it again.


It was not ELISA testing.  It was IgG.  According to Andrea, Dr. D's colleague thinks this testing is valid and uses it for his patients.


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Gotcha.  Okay.


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It was not ELISA testing.  It was IgG.  According to Andrea, Dr. D's colleague thinks this testing is valid and uses it for his patients.


Good to know this...because once I eliminated all my highly reactive IgG results from my SWAMI I started feeling a lot better! (wheat, gluten, eggs, dairy).  This pretty much returned me to the basic BTD for A which is fine. I followed the BTD for 20 years without problems.

What was confusing is that in prior forum discussions of allergy testing, the implication was that we had to heal our guts and then we'd be tolerant of our known allergens. Cheese was supposed
to be low overgrowth and therefore helpful for a Teacher's digestion. Dairy broke out my skin,
made me itch and gave me digestive problems...so I'm obviously not a typical Teacher or else
required a Professional SWAMI and I finally just eliminated foods I knew would never work.  I'm sorry I wasted so much time trying to tolerate Teacher cheeses sorry that I took advice from anyone other than my own gut instincts....because after 3 years on my SWAMI my white lines are still very obvious. I might have made faster progress had I kept away from all known allergens
from the start.  



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Patty,
Congrats on the exercise and lower bp so no meds!!!!

Garden girl,
I had this test done over a year ago and learned food rotation is very important!   
I was a perfect example of why its not a good idea to go years eating the exact same breakfast (not just one item but the whole meal)!  


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Dairy, wheat and sugar.  Corn too.  I think all 4 of those are suspect, if your gut isn't working properly.  I had been eating dairy for a long time too, following the diet, and I cut it out this spring.  I find that I just have much less congestion and don't get stopped up without dairy.  Now, maybe when my gut is healed, I'll be able to go back on it.   But it's just not worth it now.  And then there is the whole "wheat" thing.  To me, it's so complex.  First off, practically nobody eats wheat in it's purest, most healthiest form.  Any kind of breads, pastas, and flours are refined to some point, missing the good stuff.  Yet it's so ubiquitous that even people that know they shouldn't be eating it, just do.  Because it's "Too hard for them" to stay away from it.  And then, there's the problem where no matter how good it is, the gluten is going to be bad for you.  I suspect that the refining process is more to blame than eating pure wheat berries, or sprouted wheat.  Because it takes away a lot of good nutrients, plus using chemicals to refine doesn't help either.  And using subpar wheat.  Which happens with soy.  And then there's corn.........  Which they turn into everything.  Pretty soon people will be sleeping on corn, if were not already.


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It was not ELISA testing.  It was IgG.  According to Andrea, Dr. D's colleague thinks this testing is valid and uses it for his patients.



But Dr. D does not use it-- that I have ever seen. He uses breath hydrogen for gut health, healthy gut healthy body.

  Dr D was tested by Dr. Nenninger I think it was over the summer and he had nothing show up-- proves to me that his diet ( genotype and blood type) is far superior to anything that an IGg test will show.

Quite an expensive test as well that IGg.. Dr. D is very frugal and if he can get results without an expensive test he is much happier.


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Yeah i have read Steve stuff very good, The IGg test are good for newbies i think, if your a real BT or GENO fan and are compliant you don't need them so much.

video link mentions IGg test at 19 minutes on the video. good comment "if your sensitive to corn you have to get off high fructose CORN syrup

If you don't smoke, the single most important thing you can do to prevent cancer is to keep your weight under control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....p;feature=plpp_video


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IgG/IgE Food Allergy tests: antibody based reaction.

Pros: reliable procedure
Cons: false positive and negatives due to fact that antibodies to foods are often engendered by gut bacteria and other non-food origins.

Lectins/ Blood Groups: food intolerance/ agglutination reaction

Pros: predicts reactions not discernible by antibody testing
Cons: variations in degree of reaction between individuals*

* modulated in part by adding secretor type and in large part by GenoType/SWAMI additions.


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But Dr. D does not use it-- that I have ever seen. He uses breath hydrogen for gut health, healthy gut healthy body.

  Dr D was tested by Dr. Nenninger I think it was over the summer and he had nothing show up-- proves to me that his diet ( genotype and blood type) is far superior to anything that an IGg test will show.

Quite an expensive test as well that IGg.. Dr. D is very frugal and if he can get results without an expensive test he is much happier.



Andrea, my testing was not that expensive, as my insurance picked up most of it.  I think I paid about $160, which amounts to about a week and a half of groceries for us, so I figure it was money well spent.


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Well I'll just throw my 2 cents in having not done the test at all.    I have dabbled with the diet for over a decade plus the years before I did the diet and all the problems I had as a teen & child etc........ I just agree with the avoids list.... and do my best to avoid them.  I have all kinds of symptoms from the avoids, and not always the same but of what seems to be general celiac or IBS plus inflammation problems, maybe MS or some kind of autoimmune problem, water retention, mood swings etc......

So for example I have pinto beans once a week because it's in the chili at the restaurant I go to.  It's not a bad avoid generally...  I had polenta this week and was definitely bloated the next day.  I had goat milk later in  the week and was constipated 48+ hours.  Goat cheese is OK but not in large/regular amounts.  I had diarrhea earlier last week from either gluten free products or parmesan cheese.  Wheat constipates me for days and causes depression, etc.........

You're lucky if you really can tolerate the avoids but I bet the longer you do the diet you might notice that you don't really tolerate them as well as you think.  But if you do that's great.  
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This is so random, but gluten and dairy intolerance, I just read in this book, tend to accompany electrosensitivity as do changes in flora and IBS, ringing in the ears. http://www.earthing.com
I think this concept of "grounding" saved my life. Long story... but grounding seems to modulate inflammation in a profound way.


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This is so random, but gluten and dairy intolerance, I just read in this book, tend to accompany electrosensitivity as do changes in flora and IBS, ringing in the ears. http://www.earthing.com
I think this concept of "grounding" saved my life. Long story... but grounding seems to modulate inflammation in a profound way.


Yes very interesting and something I know I want to do.  I definitely want to run barefoot, am convinced it is a a healthy thing to do likely.

But no I can't tolerate chips and salsa even if the indican thing or whatever said I could.  Not gonna take that test in all likelihood.
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IgG/IgE Food Allergy tests: antibody based reaction.

Pros: reliable procedure
Cons: false positive and negatives due to fact that antibodies to foods are often engendered by gut bacteria and other non-food origins.

Lectins/ Blood Groups: food intolerance/ agglutination reaction

Pros: predicts reactions not discernible by antibody testing
Cons: variations in degree of reaction between individuals*

* modulated in part by adding secretor type and in large part by GenoType/SWAMI additions.


Dr D, thank you for your response. I guess your response still leaves me guessing as to how to meld my IgG, IgE and IgA testing with my SWAMI, as the results of the testing are in direct contradiction to my SWAMI.  I understand that nothing is perfect and we are all individuals, but I am confused since the testing indicates I can tolerate wheat and dairy among other things.  I reacted to almost nothing on the testing.


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Fix the gut and work on your SWAMI.



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Fix the gut and work on your SWAMI.



Andrea, if my gut is messed up, wouldn't I react to more foods?  I thought I read that the more you heal your gut, the less you react to foods.  I did have some other testing that looked at malabsorption, yeast/fungal markers, dysbiosis markers and digestive support and my gut is in pretty good shape - not perfect but pretty darn good.


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Dr D was tested by Dr. Nenninger I think it was over the summer and he had nothing show up-- proves to me that his diet ( genotype and blood type) is far superior to anything that an IGg test will show.


Andrea, this is what I am driving at here!  I was tested and basically nothing showed up - so that must indicate that my gut is in good health, yes?


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IgG/IgE Food Allergy tests: antibody based reaction.

Pros: reliable procedure
Cons: false positive and negatives due to fact that antibodies to foods are often engendered by gut bacteria and other non-food origins.

Lectins/ Blood Groups: food intolerance/ agglutination reaction

Pros: predicts reactions not discernible by antibody testing
Cons: variations in degree of reaction between individuals*

* modulated in part by adding secretor type and in large part by GenoType/SWAMI additions.


Dr. D's response brings up another question.  How do IgG/IgE Food Allergy tests: antibody based reaction and Lectins/ Blood Groups: food intolerance/ agglutination reaction differ from one another?  If someone could respond in laymens terms, I would be very appreciative.  


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Dr. D's response brings up another question.  How do IgG/IgE Food Allergy tests: antibody based reaction and Lectins/ Blood Groups: food intolerance/ agglutination reaction differ from one another?  If someone could respond in laymens terms, I would be very appreciative.  

From reading the description of both tests, my guess is that the IgG/IgE tests are looking for antibodies in the blood sample, where the Lectins / Blood Groups intolerance / agglutination reaction is from data that pertains to the specific blood type.

Lectin information is based on solid science, so once testing is complete for a blood type, it is applicable to all with that type.  Therefore, this testing doesn't need to be performed for each individual.

IgG/IgE testing is variable and even changes per the individual over time.  Not all individuals build antibodies at the same rate, etc., so it is would need to be performed.  I'm also not sure that people build antibodies to lectins.


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Quoted from Dr. D
IgG/IgE Food Allergy tests: antibody based reaction.

Pros: reliable procedure
Cons: false positive and negatives due to fact that antibodies to foods are often engendered by gut bacteria and other non-food origins.

Lectins/ Blood Groups: food intolerance/ agglutination reaction

Pros: predicts reactions not discernible by antibody testing
Cons: variations in degree of reaction between individuals*

* modulated in part by adding secretor type and in large part by GenoType/SWAMI additions.


Does this have to do with why Explorers bounce around on foods they seem to consider themselves tolerant too?

My brother had IgG testing done, the works. He now eats way less things but his esophagus stopped hardening and he stopped throwing up in the mornings.
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