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Patty H
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I just received my IgG Food Antibody results and I am amazed.  The ONLY food I have a moderate intolerance to are kidney beans.  I have a low intolerance to string beans, oysters, sardines & herring (both of which I never ate before the GTD), corn and pinto beans.  I have very low intolereance to Lactalbumin, alfalfa, asparagus, cod, crab, lobster, salmon, shrimp, sole, tuna, egg yolk, buckwheat, corn gluten, oats, peanuts, rice, sesame and wheat.

I have no intolerance whatsoever to dairy, cane sugar, coffee.

However, in reading the results, the foods considered very low are still allowed to be eaten, as ther response was barely measurable, which means the foods on my allowed list are, wheat, goats milk, yogurt, cheddar cheese, cottage cheese, gluten (no response detected!!!), cow's milk, soy, apples . . .  I had no high reactions to any foods.

This makes sense to me.  I have long wondered why so many people on this forum complain of the issues they have with avoids, yet I don't have nor have I ever had, ANY of those types of reactions.  I have often wondered if my rare blood antigen is more protective when it comes to food intolerances.  Maybe it is something else, but I do not seem to be a typical O in any way, given my genetic inability to break down dietary fiber and my lack of food intolerance to commonly accepted BTD/GTD avoids.

I have been advised to avoid kidney beans, corn, string beans, oysters, pinto beans, sardines and herring for six months.  All other foods are safe to consume.

Certainly, I am experiencing some confusion here  



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COULD the tolerance of wheat and dairies be a result from not consuming them in a long time? I don't remember whether you have been them recently are not, I'm just guessing...


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the more your gut needs healing the less you will be in tuned with your beneficials

so concentrate on your gut first
how?

by eating only those diamonds and Sfs in your list, add these slowly and gradually
and follow the stomach health protocols in parallel

write a food log to help


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COULD the tolerance of wheat and dairies be a result from not consuming them in a long time? I don't remember whether you have been them recently are not, I'm just guessing...


I was instructed to consume wheat and dairy prior to testing, which I did in great quantities.  The funny thing is, I am mildly intolerant of kidney beans.  Can't remember the last time I had a kidney bean . . .


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I did not have ALCAT testing.  I had IgG testing.  They tested my blood against the differernt foods.


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Quoted from Lola
the more your gut needs healing the less you will be in tuned with your beneficials

so concentrate on your gut first
how?

by eating only those diamonds and Sfs in your list, add these slowly and gradually
and follow the stomach health protocols in parallel

write a food log to help


But my gut has never bothered me.  Ever!  I have always boasted that I have a cast iron stomach.  I don't seem to have all the stomach issues that most others on the forum complain about.

Could it be that I am different?  I also don't metabolize fat, which is not typical for an O.  Certainly my family history of early heart disease would not make this revelation surprising.


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remember Os have no antigen......thus our distinction, type O for non
......no antigen what so ever


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Then your flora is probably not completely right, if you're not digesting your fats.  But what I do, is I stay away from the IGg's that I have, and just follow my diet.  It's just that simple.  But just because your test is showing you don't have an intolerance to certain foods, doesn't mean that they are really all that great for you.  On the other hand, all of us are individuals, and it might be that you're an O that doesn't have problems with wheat.  I'm sure it's possible.  But it the problems might manifest them in different ways, that might not show up on the IGg test.  Like joint pain, stuffy head, feeding bad gut flora, etc etc.


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Then your flora is probably not completely right, if you're not digesting your fats.  But what I do, is I stay away from the IGg's that I have, and just follow my diet.  It's just that simple.  But just because your test is showing you don't have an intolerance to certain foods, doesn't mean that they are really all that great for you.  On the other hand, all of us are individuals, and it might be that you're an O that doesn't have problems with wheat.  I'm sure it's possible.  But it the problems might manifest them in different ways, that might not show up on the IGg test.  Like joint pain, stuffy head, feeding bad gut flora, etc etc.


JJR, it is not my gut flora that impairs my ability to digest fat.  I have a polymorphism on the genes that control cholesterol metabolism.

You can see, this along with my food intolerance panel, makes my profile somewhat unique.


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Patty Would you be up for emailing me a copy of your report so i can analysis it. pm me if you would and i'll give you my email address Ta.

by theway one important thing is the lenghth of time you ate aviods for, how long did they recomend?



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But my gut has never bothered me.  Ever!  I have always boasted that I have a cast iron stomach.  I don't seem to have all the stomach issues that most others on the forum complain about.

Could it be that I am different?  I also don't metabolize fat, which is not typical for an O.  Certainly my family history of early heart disease would not make this revelation surprising.


Never anything with your intestines (not stomach).  Maybe you have damage but you don't have the pain receptors to register it. ???


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Patty Would you be up for emailing me a copy of your report so i can analysis it. pm me if you would and i'll give you my email address Ta.

by theway one important thing is the lenghth of time you ate aviods for, how long did they recomend?



I ate all of those avoids for about 2 weeks before I had the test.  I cannot remember the last time I ate kidney beans and yet they reacted.  I also ate the avoids quite often in those two weeks, as my doctor told me to add them back in to my daily diet.  No reactions whatsoever.

Here is the thing - I have other issues that have been identified with the different testing she has done, but food intolerance does not appear to be an issue for me.  I have never experienced food intolerances - ever - in the past or present.

I had birthday cake the other day and wasn't sure because I had diarrhea the day after, but then I went back and looked and I had taken double the dose of magnesium.  Magnesium definitely gives me diarrhea if I take too much.  The symptoms were the same as those I have when I take too much magnesium.






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Never anything with your intestines (not stomach).  Maybe you have damage but you don't have the pain receptors to register it. ???


I don't think so, KK.  I mean most people with either intestinal issues or stomach issues have other problems such as diarrhea.  I believe I have the pain receptors to register stomach problems.  For instance, if I eat too much garlic, it upsets my stomach and I have a difficult time sleeping.  I feel like my food just sits in my stomach and does not digest.  I can eat some garlic, just not too much.  Onions used to bother me a lot too.  Now I can eat them with no problem.  

My rare blood antigen is considered "abundant and potent" according to the study done on my family.  I think it may have some impact on my food tolerances/intolerances.  In fact, this was the very first question I asked when I joined this forum.  I do not have the same issues with food that most of the people here have.  I am here because I want to minimize my risk for heart disease.  No food issues - EVER - except as mentioned above.  My IgG report confirms this.

Personally, I think that minimizing wheat is not the worst thing I can do.  I believe it adds excess weight.  I don't plan to eat it daily, but I don't think occasional wheat will be a problem for me.  My doctor ran a celiac panel.  I am not intolerant to wheat or gluten.

I actually see this as a blessing in some ways.  Oatmeal is something that can help reduce cholesterol, along with apples.  Since neither of these are problems for me and I need to watch my diet relative to my fat intake and keep my cholesterol down, these two foods can go a long way to help me towards my ultimate goal of minimizing my risk for cardiovascular disease!



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I am really out of the element here with your unique blood type. But I do support you on your journey to reduce your heart disease risk.


Knowledge is power.  SWAMI gives you the diet that will unlock the key to better health, and it's all based on your unique individuality.

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I am really out of the element her with your unique blood type. But I do support you on your journey to reduce your heart disease risk.


Thanks, KK.  I LOVE your beating heart!  


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Emily's Gastroenterologist suggested she eat gluten for several months he might even have mentions 3 months, before it would show up, perhaps he meant for a biopsy.

I would have though that two weeks was not long enough myself but i don't know for sure.

anyway are you going to continue to stop eating wheat or start eating it?

i'd leave it.

also just read the following

How To Perform a Gluten Challenge

A gluten challenge involves eating gluten only after you've been gluten-free for a while. But how much gluten do you need to eat, and for how long?

Unfortunately, there are no established medical guidelines for performing a gluten challenge, although the little research there is on this subject indicates that more gluten for a longer time period will give you better odds of accurate test results.

A few doctors say that eating a little gluten each day (a slice of regular bread or two) for a week or 10 days will be enough to spur your body to produce antibodies and create the type of intestinal damage that your doctor will look for in an endoscopy. Unfortunately, studies show that almost certainly won't be long enough for damage to occur.

Research has shown that three-week-long gluten challenges involving the equivalent of one to three slices of bread a day are not enough to generate antibodies and intestinal damage in known celiacs who have been following the gluten-free diet.

Many physicians recommend a six- to eight-week gluten challenge, in which you'll need to eat two slices of gluten-filled bread each day. But there's no real research showing that's enough, either.


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Patty,

Ok, good. So the "dairy / cereal diet" before testing was two weeks? I think it's not a long time, but maybe that's enough to get some damage if they really weren't suiting to your body. And yeah, occasional wheat might suit to you moderately. Personally I don't want to touch it anymore.

The kidney bean thing was quite funny! Now you know yet better to stay away from them

So your cholesterol is a kind of problem. The following can be just very familiar to you, but I want to write it here anyway. Maybe I'll study some more things   :
I don't remember if you had also high blood pressure? I met a guy yesterday who told me that if you blood pressure is normal, high cholesterol is not harmful.

I know many O type persons who can eat dairies and cereals and drink coffee without any seeable problems. YET... Good for them if they tolerate that foods...

Finally, I agree with KimonoKat.


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Emily's Gastroenterologist suggested she eat gluten for several months he might even have mentions 3 months, before it would show up, perhaps he meant for a biopsy.

I would have though that two weeks was not long enough myself but i don't know for sure.

anyway are you going to continue to stop eating wheat or start eating it?

i'd leave it.

also just read the following

How To Perform a Gluten Challenge

A gluten challenge involves eating gluten only after you've been gluten-free for a while. But how much gluten do you need to eat, and for how long?

Unfortunately, there are no established medical guidelines for performing a gluten challenge, although the little research there is on this subject indicates that more gluten for a longer time period will give you better odds of accurate test results.

A few doctors say that eating a little gluten each day (a slice of regular bread or two) for a week or 10 days will be enough to spur your body to produce antibodies and create the type of intestinal damage that your doctor will look for in an endoscopy. Unfortunately, studies show that almost certainly won't be long enough for damage to occur.

Research has shown that three-week-long gluten challenges involving the equivalent of one to three slices of bread a day are not enough to generate antibodies and intestinal damage in known celiacs who have been following the gluten-free diet.

Many physicians recommend a six- to eight-week gluten challenge, in which you'll need to eat two slices of gluten-filled bread each day. But there's no real research showing that's enough, either.


No biopsy was performed.  The testing was the IgG testing, which is a simple blood draw.  If your theory about wheat and gluten were correct, why would I react to kidney beans?  I can't remember the last time I ate kidney beans.  They are an avoid for me, but I never eat beans anyway, unless I have a Mexican meal, very rarely for me, and then it would be black beans.  Same with pinto beans.  I wouldn't know a pinto bean if it hit me in the face.  They are neutral for me.  Corn is an avoid on my SWAMI and a low reactive food for me.  I had corn the night before the test and one or two other times over the summer, yet I reacted to it.  String beans are a low reactive food for me but a SF on my SWAMI.  Can't remember the last time I had string beans either.  My Total IgE is only 46.9.  Anything less than 87 is great.  I don't have food intolerances and this seems to confirm my personal experience.  After all, aren't we supposed to listen to our bodies?

I have been thinking that maybe my rare blood antigen makes me a "newer model" anthropologically.  Obviously, I am just guessing here, but it is extremely rare and first discovered in the late 1950's in my uncle who needed a blood transfusion.  Maybe it was an adaptive  response to some environmental stressor.  Also, the wisdom of the body is pretty amazing.  I am an O who can't break down dietary cholesterol.  Maybe my body, in its infinite wisdom, has instead been made to process most grains.  Again, this is all speculation, but one cannot deny that I have tendencies that make me unique as an O.  I have a rare blood antigen which is so potent that a blood to blood transfusion (not serum) of O+ blood would actually kill me.  I have a difficult time breaking down dietary fat and I seem to be able to process most grains, with the exception of corn.  I would say those factors make me unique as an O.



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Patty,

Ok, good. So the "dairy / cereal diet" before testing was two weeks? I think it's not a long time, but maybe that's enough to get some damage if they really weren't suiting to your body. And yeah, occasional wheat might suit to you moderately. Personally I don't want to touch it anymore.

The kidney bean thing was quite funny! Now you know yet better to stay away from them

So your cholesterol is a kind of problem. The following can be just very familiar to you, but I want to write it here anyway. Maybe I'll study some more things   :
I don't remember if you had also high blood pressure? I met a guy yesterday who told me that if you blood pressure is normal, high cholesterol is not harmful.

I know many O type persons who can eat dairies and cereals and drink coffee without any seeable problems. YET... Good for them if they tolerate that foods...

Finally, I agree with KimonoKat.


I do have high blood pressure but was finally able to bring it down with strenuous exercise.  I just came off my blood pressure medication about a month ago.  I will need to continue to exercise to keep my blood pressure in check.  Thanks for your good thoughts!


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I had a chance to go through the report in more detail this morning.  I just got it yesterday.  Not only did it test IgG food and spice antibodies, but also IgE food antibodies, IgE antibodies to trees, grasses, weeds, molds and miscellaneous, which includes dogs, cats, cockroaches and three types of mites, IgE mold antibodies, and finally IgA, which encompasses four markers for gluten and celiac.

Curry is the only thing to which I had a high response.


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patty It's not my theory it the accepted theory for IGg test,

I know about the IGg testing I have done quiet a few for other people, The mention of a biopsy was for Emily, which we declined and was purely for your info and not related to IGg testing, perhaps i should have made that more clear but it was very late in the morning 4-5 hours after I should have gone to bed.

If your blood is that rare and it does perhaps you should make it clear in your signature on your profile in order not to confuse us meer mortals and newbies




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patty It's not my theory it the accepted theory for IGg test,

I know about the IGg testing I have done quiet a few for other people, The mention of a biopsy was for Emily, which we declined and was purely for your info and not related to IGg testing, perhaps i should have made that more clear but it was very late in the morning 4-5 hours after I should have gone to bed.

If your blood is that rare and it does perhaps you should make it clear in your signature on your profile in order not to confuse us meer mortals and newbies




Hi PC, I know you are versed in the IgG testing, as I recall I asked you about it's accuracy just after I had it done.  Thanks for the clarification on the biopsy.

I do have my rare blood antigen listed in my signature, but some might not recognize it because, well . . . it is rare    While you, I see are NN, I am NMg, which means I am N positive, M negative and Mg positive.

BTW, I PM'd you.  Check your inbox!



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Patty,
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Another thing about FST I believe it really emphasizes rotating your foods. Something to keep in mind. So eat one thing and then avoid for four days. This supposedly lessens intolerance from the good foods to happen.
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