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Frances AB
Monday, August 22, 2011, 3:36pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello Ruthiegirl, all of the above, very soon after starting them, which inclines me to think that it was a reaction to them rather than the healing process. I usually finished a bottle or course, to try and give them a fair go. In the case of Arabingalactans I took it for months and got progressively worse. But at the time I was still eating grains and beans so maybe that was clouding things.

I know that it can be hard to assess whether an aggravation of symptoms is a genuine worsening or a healing effect. I used to be a homoeopath and have had a fair bit of homoepathic treatment myself so I'm aware of the issue.

When I stopped grains and beans I went cold turkey, excuse the joke. I didn't experience any cravings or discomfort, as I'd been warned I might, I just felt better almost instantly.

So if it's just a matter of sticking to low-carb for a while, until my gut heals itself, that would be fine by me, even if it's slower progress than when taking a supplement, because at least I'm not debilitated to the point where it's hard to live my life.

But my aim is to resume full SWAMI when I'm ready, so it would be great to know if there's anyone who has had a similar experience and been able to resume eating grains, beans etc.

Are there any supplements that you would recommend?
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Your comment about the white bread is interesting. I find that I'm much better with white rice than brown even though brown is a beneficial and white a neutral.

It sounds like the brown rice is causing a "healing crisis".  It is probably doing more good, but the good is symptomatic, whereas the white is just digesting, but not causing the healing symptoms...  Frankly, I know I still need to heal more, so I welcome symptoms that indicate that healing is happening.

As I shared in another thread, quite often it is difficult to know whether the symptoms you are feeling are due to the food causing healing or a sensitivity type reaction...  I have come to the conclusion that I need to trust the Beneficial or Superfood status initially and let the symptoms run for up to three weeks...  Since I have been doing this for several years, I can quite often tell the difference within several days, but not always.  I quite often will limit the amount of a new food to a symptoms level I can tolerate and moderate up or down as the symptoms allow until I can eat whatever amount I want or an inflammatory response becomes unbearable.


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Hello ABJoe

I really wish that I could think of brown rice as healing because I love it and it was my main grain for years, most of my adult life in fact.

I was still eating it when I started to get fibromayalgia, about 5 years ago. At that point I was also getting crippling fatigue and a lot of pain around the ileocaecal valve. A practitioner suggested that I switch to quinoa, mainly to deal with the fatigue. I don't think that the switch made any difference in that respect but I suddenly realised after a few weeks that the fibromyalgia had gone.

So I experimented for a while with rotating grains and came to the conclusion that they all gave me bloating and fatigue and that the fibromyalgia returned most markedly as soon as I ate brown rice.

I've never eaten enough white rice to know whether it would also eventually cause the fibromyalgia to return but I seem to be able to get away with a small amount and not get pain, just the usual bloating and fatigue.

I agree about how tricky it can be to assess what a food is doing, but it seems logical in the case of my brown rice experience (ie ate it for years and felt better when I stopped) that it's connected to the fibromyalgia, not in a positive way.

There are so many variable factors though. Undoubtedly, when I'm generally feeling ok, my tolerance for certain foods is much higher.

It's always interesting to hear from other people who are managing inflammation, thank you for sharing that info, especially on the way in which you introduce foods. I find that I have to allow about 5 days before I know for sure what effect a food will have. At one point I suddenly went through a phase (that then changed just as abruptly) when I could virtually set my clock by getting a cold sore exactly 5 days after eating spelt.
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Hello ABJoe

I really wish that I could think of brown rice as healing because I love it and it was my main grain for years, most of my adult life in fact.

I was still eating it when I started to get fibromayalgia, about 5 years ago. At that point I was also getting crippling fatigue and a lot of pain around the ileocaecal valve. A practitioner suggested that I switch to quinoa, mainly to deal with the fatigue. I don't think that the switch made any difference in that respect but I suddenly realised after a few weeks that the fibromyalgia had gone.

In this case, I would highly suspect the brown rice as well.  This would only be tempered by a possibility that 1) significant other changes took place at the about the same time; or 2) other toxins in the diet changed how the brown rice was affecting you system.  If either of these have any merit, you may attempt to re-introduce brown rice after significant healing has taken place, unless you are happy with your current diet and find no real need / desire for the rice.


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Thank you ABJoe. Yes, I'll definitely start off with brown rice after I feel that my gut has healed. Probably best to just have a tiny bit then wait a while, then introduce it very gradually. Also, I'll prepare it as per Nourishing Tradiotions, giving it a long soaking in lemon juice.

Actually, that raises a question. In all this Nourishing Traditions/Weston A Price stuff, there is great emphasis on neutralising phytic acid, as it is an anti-nutrient, but I'm sure that Dr D says that my type benfits from the phytic acid.

It's all quite complex and what I like about BTD is that it addresses our individuality rather than making blanket prescriptions based on the idea of universally healthy and unhealthy foods.
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Hi Frances AB!

Curious to see an update  

Did you get remeasured?
Did the SWAMI get reset by your practitioner?

How are you now?

I have a young friend who got diagnosed with AS. I'd like to send him to a practitioner that does SWAMI pro (they live in Arizona, Texas).
All his family are new to 'all of this' - I would like to start them off in a way that is not too 'far out' for them.

Suggestions very welcome!


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I'm sorry I weighed in so late on this thread but I agree with the others, esp. if you purchased a Professional SWAMI

I never get AS anymore in my back unless I have eaten straight sugar along with a non-compliant, or a GMO starch!

But the thing is to also address that thyroid and liver function with your physician.  If there's an imbalance somewhere in the body like that that has to be temporarily treated with "drugs" to bring levels down, please do it for the short term because of the other physical discomforts and emotional changes associated with thyroid and liver disorders. Short term. And please get a proper mattress, supportive shoes...anything that will help your muscle/skeletal structure depending on where the AS affects you. I know how badly it affects the nerves.


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Frances AB: I am going to address this one more time.. KNOWING not much about your geno type...
and now I see I can not tell your blood type either.. it has a red X in a box there.. (DO others have the same ???    

BUT my guts tells me that at your age, "ankylosing spondylitis and low-carb diets" deserves more considerations..    

First-of: Where do you live?.. it might matter in the advise you could get .. some things are available in some Countries, and not in others.  

Frances AB: Is your diagnosis getting worse or is progress halted?  Is it compressing in one specific place or the whole spine?   and, is it bothering you in debilitating pain?   or just age related? I will PM you.. look way above on this thread you will see a connection for you to click on, under private messages.

The part about low carb is for me understandable, I am O, yet in your diet maybe have you tested some foods made of beef bones?  there are some who would say that the gel from such bones should be used to provide nutrients to bone and tissue.  My grandma used that broth for all liquids needed in her cooking all week and made new broth every Saturday.  She carried a big suitcase (without wheels) all over town every day selling beautiful embroidered clothing into her old age..

Low carb? and most likely low meat? would seem restrictive to me.  I honor what your best experience has developed over your lifetime, eat the foods you think best.. yet: I wonder what do you eat? Do you even eat enough?  do you eat for the body as a whole or only with your condition in mind?  I wonder if you restrict your food intake just a little to much? out of fear to hurt or do damage.  

What else have you done for your 'condition'?  when did you discover it? HOW did you deal with it emotionally?  I think it matters how we deal with a 'diagnosis'.  do we take it with a grain of salt, and live with what life presents, or should we try and change the genetic 'destiny' ..   Both has its place.  but the emotions connected can make a big difference.. fear is a terrible experience.  It can constrict free movement and by that, constrict living.

I am sorry if I am seemingly all over the place here, but the body is connected.  Maybe there are some other things you can do along side your diet..

Tell me please, is Low carb maybe also LOW fat????  maybe way low? I would just be famished-I am O.    


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