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brinyskysail
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I've become so interested in what is going on that bio-chem is going to be on my course list even though I don't need it for my degree (but then who knows where I'll end up?).


Biochem was the best science course I ever took - I hope you enjoy it


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What a fascinating thread, so much "scientific" information.  My advice would be to take it back to the basics.  Have your proteins ( not dairy just now), complex carbs, seeds, nuts , fruit and veg and cook. Eat the things YOU know that you can and are on your beneficial list and just give it a chance.

After a period of time introduce one unexpected SWAMI dairy and see how you feel. Don't get too hung up on it.  
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...I really believe a basic understanding of bio-chem is necessary for anyone who does not wish to just take your word for it...


So true!  Me wittle pea brain hurts sometimes!     In all seriousness, though - I'm not sure that I do better on swami than I did on btd.  But only because I know that I'm not taking full advantage of all that swami has to offer, as there is additional info to input that I don't have, and I'm not 100% sure of my measurments either.  I've had swami for a while now, and I'm just not 100% comfortable with it.  If I visited a qualified practioner to get all my measurements, etc. I would have more confidence I suppose.  I still feel swami is a bit foreign to me even though I've been doing it for months now.  I'm just plugging ahead in a sort of semi-blind hope that I'm heading in the right direction.  As an *Explorer* I would say I'm in that stage where I'm a bit lost, but I still have a compass (swami) so I'm fairly sure I'm heading in the right direction.     But I might be as well off doing BTD for O non-secretors while carefully watching my indivdual reactions and adjusting accordingly.  I do understand the OP's frustration.  This is hard to grasp for people who are not scientfically inclined/minded.  I think the longer you "just do it" the easier it becomes, but it is an immersion for many of us into unfamiliar waters.
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Change is not easy for any of us.  Knowing that something is good for your body helps, but it is not easy to change what you have been doing a long time.  

Maybe, you can try to make the changes gradually.  It might be less of a shock that way.  You can develop new habits and replace foods that you are giving up with something new on the swami list that can really taste good and be good for you.

We all want to live longer....but quality of life is so important.  Please give swami a chance and gradually work it into your routine.
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Becca,

I don't know if this has already been brought up?.  Have you taken the test to see what system would be better for you, either the BTD or the GTD?.  

I don't remember exactly where on this board it's located, hopefully someone else can chime in with that informaton?.  One system is more geared towards weight loss and one more geared towards health issues.

Sorry i'm not more clear on info., i hope it helps anyways!.  


"Let food be thy medicine"

Dr. D has said many times that it's not about what you don't eat but what you do eat that makes the difference.  "Quoted by Jane"
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MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Keep in mind that SWAMI also decides about 'BTD appropriateness' and will often add more 'BTD influence' on the outcomes if it sees fit...


A whole system is a living system is a learning system.’ -Stewart Brand
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I’ve done further research and learned a lot more about how our bodies work. I can now see that GenoTypes are an even more refined, complete, and accurate way of understanding the human body than blood type alone.
Although they have very great similarities, the Blood Type Diet series of books and the new GenoType Diet book are actually two distinct dietary systems, which complement each other but work through different mechanisms. While it is hard to blend both systems on your own, working from each book (you more or less have to choose a system and stick with it) it is very easy to develop even more specific and personalized diet plans for any individual by using the tremendous data crunching power of modern computers. Computer programs can rapidly analyze hundreds of different foods in a split second; and make tens of thousands of decisions based on how we program it.
In essence, with the Blood Type Diet system we adjust person to their genes, and with the GenoType Diet system we adjust the genes to the person.

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Diet Emphasis: Synthesis of GTD and BTD Food Values
SWAMI Xpress has chosen to build your diet plan around a synthesis of The GenoType Diet and Blood Type Diet food values.


Here are a couple of quotes from my swami (I hope it's OK to do this) that I think explain much. Emphasis mine.


“Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”

John Wayne's last words

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Sorry if this answer seems complicated, but it is the answer.




''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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I can see how that some lectin issues may be less harmful for me than others with my genetic profile, but to go from a complete Avoid to a Diamond Superfood is just too much of a stretch for me without more info.


yup!!!
Dr D has gone as far as writing a Textbook for those studying Generative Medicine at Bridgeport under his guidance......

this might be just your thing
http://www.drpeterjdadamo.com/generative/textbook.shtml

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a basic understanding of bio-chem is necessary for anyone who does not wish to just take your word for it.



''Just follow the book, don't look for magic fixes to get you off the hook. Do the work.'' Dr.D.'98
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In essence, with the Blood Type Diet system we adjust [the] person to their genes, and with the GenoType Diet system we adjust the genes to the person.


Wow. Someone on the Eloquent side had a hand in writing that.


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Becca, you also need to remember that SWAMI is a computer program.  You bought the program and inputed all the data according to your measurements and health issues, etc.  However, if you had the benefit of going to see Dr. D or Dr. Nash or one of the other qualified practitioners, you could have discussed your issues with dairy and maybe they could have explained why the particular dairy foods are superfoods, such as their gut healing potential.  The version of SWAMI that a practioner gives you is much more complex and can factor much more detailed information about the individual, thus creating an even more customized program.  In lieu of a visit to a practitioner, you will need to use your common sense and trust the way your body feels.

You can continue to AVOID things for now that you know you have had problems with in the past.  Stay on the SWAMI diet for three months and try adding in one of the superfood dairy products once a week.  See what happens.  If you don't have issues, keep eating it and add another superfood that you have been avoiding.

The reason that I say this is that I don't eat everything on my SWAMI and I bet no one on this forum does.  For instance, Mutton and Okra are Diamonds for me, but I wouldn't know where to buy either one, and frankly, why would I eat Mutton when I can eat beef, buffalo and venison.  Sorry to trash Mutton, but it does not appeal to me.  I have never seen Okra in a grocery store or health food store here.  I eat the foods on my SWAMI that I like and I know I can find locally.

As a Hunter, it is unusual that I don't have digestive issues with food and tend to have a cast iron stomach, but I am on the diet to try and avoid my family's heart disease.  However, many of the Hunter's on this forum do have digestion issues with particular foods.  All Hunters are not the same.  All Teachers are not the same, etc.

One thing I might recommend - you said that you had soft tissue inflammatory issues prior to the diet.  Since I do not believe there is a health question on SWAMI that would specifically address that concern, you may want to check off that you had an elevated CRP.  CRP is a blood test that measures inflammation in the body.  See if that changes your diet.

Other, more experienced people on the forum, may have other suggestions as to how you can tweak the health questions to give a more accurate reflection of your past and present health issues.

Best of Luck!


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Wow..... I had no idea my dilemma would spark such a thread, but thank you to all who have responded and also to Dr. D who really surprised me with a response. I can't say I have all of my questions answered, but I can say that I am encouraged, so thank you!
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I'm really happy with my swami explorer diet, it's much more scrumsious to my taste than the one in the gtd book and I love my lists Of course there are many things I can't find here or just don't care for, but luckily there are loads to choose from, and I try to pick as many diamonds as possible.
I hope you come to terms with yours as others have said, go with the foods you know you can deal with for now, and after a while of healing, give some of those other diamonds a try
All the best


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I do wonder if adjusting some of my input data would help. I am thinking of changing it to lactose intolerant at the very least. Patty H., thank you for suggesting the CRP check on SWAMI. I know I have had serious inflammation, but is that test used for someone like me? I thought it was primarily used to check for risk of heart disease, but I am clueless. I suffered with inflammatory pain for about four years (ending around Oct. of last year, and during that time, I was eating a ton of butter, cheese, steak, and greasy foods because with my adrenal exhaustion, I craved salty and fatty foods. I had some lab work while I was eating that way, and my HDL was 71 (High and above the normal range, which is considered good for a reduced cardiac risk), my VLDL was 7 (range 5-40), LDL was 74 (range 0-99), and Triglycerides were only a measly 35. My candida test even came back negative then. My doctor told me to feel free to have another baby, etc. Despite all of that, I still felt bad and had plenty of health issues.

My inflammation was cleared up almost immediately though after being on a 40 day juice fast and then my non-chemist hubby developed a custom made supplement for me that wiped out my inflammation pain the first time I took it. I took it for around 4 months, and I am still without the pain. I guess it worked well for my genotype. I am open minded.

I admit I am clueless about science and chemistry though. I do not understand medical jargon and textbooks. I basically operate intuitively, and my intuition tells me I would do poorly on the SWAMI diet and well on the BTD diet, but I don't know. I am so tired of experimenting and feeling my way around that I was thrilled by the black and white, cut and dry BTD, so that is one reason I am not thrilled with SWAMI.

My hubby and I seem to be an enigma, and no doctor has ever really understood us. Maybe I should try to see someone in person, but money is a preventative right now.
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Quoted from benandbecca

We have serious health issues, and we are both so ready to do a drastic overhaul and follow the BTD very closely, but I was hoping SWAMI would fine tune the BTD for our health issues, not totally disregard some of it. If I could just get it straight what I can eat and what I can't, that would be great! That's all I want right now. If anyone has any input, I would appreciate it. I am very confused. Is the Type 4 database even accurate? Also, there are foods in SWAMI that are not on the Type 4 database, that I need to know about like hemp, for example, but I feel like I cannot trust SWAMI. I just want to know what to do.  


I just went back to your original post. I'm quoting part of it here.
Here's what I think you should do / consider doing.
What you say above.
Go BTD whole hog. Get a copy of Live Right 4 Your Type and get completely established on it. Live right for your types, ben and becca. And you will! You'll find your health issues improving in many ways and on many counts - and you'll get in the D'Adamo groove.
If -- later on-- you find you want to "upgrade" or tweak, look at SWAMI / Genotype stuff. No need to decide on that right now.
The point is: You've got to start somewhere, so start where many of us did. It worked for us. Some moved on to the Geno-Teachings, and some didn't, and some only sort of sometimes maybe a little bit did, such as myself.

I think that, even though you say you don't really know what to do, you DO know. In some way you know you resonate to the BTD, you trust it. It makes sense to you, doesn't confuse you, speaks the kind of science you're comfortable with for now. Another big help for BTD'ers is Dr. D'Adamo's Complete Encyclopedia of Blood Type Medicine. All sorts of information and studies and stuff that you don't need a science degree to understand but that scratches the itch anyway.

Best of luck!


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I do wonder if adjusting some of my input data would help. I am thinking of changing it to lactose intolerant at the very least. Patty H., thank you for suggesting the CRP check on SWAMI. I know I have had serious inflammation, but is that test used for someone like me? I thought it was primarily used to check for risk of heart disease, but I am clueless. I suffered with inflammatory pain for about four years (ending around Oct. of last year, and during that time, I was eating a ton of butter, cheese, steak, and greasy foods because with my adrenal exhaustion, I craved salty and fatty foods. I had some lab work while I was eating that way, and my HDL was 71 (High and above the normal range, which is considered good for a reduced cardiac risk), my VLDL was 7 (range 5-40), LDL was 74 (range 0-99), and Triglycerides were only a measly 35. My candida test even came back negative then. My doctor told me to feel free to have another baby, etc. Despite all of that, I still felt bad and had plenty of health issues.

My inflammation was cleared up almost immediately though after being on a 40 day juice fast and then my non-chemist hubby developed a custom made supplement for me that wiped out my inflammation pain the first time I took it. I took it for around 4 months, and I am still without the pain. I guess it worked well for my genotype. I am open minded.

I admit I am clueless about science and chemistry though. I do not understand medical jargon and textbooks. I basically operate intuitively, and my intuition tells me I would do poorly on the SWAMI diet and well on the BTD diet, but I don't know. I am so tired of experimenting and feeling my way around that I was thrilled by the black and white, cut and dry BTD, so that is one reason I am not thrilled with SWAMI.

My hubby and I seem to be an enigma, and no doctor has ever really understood us. Maybe I should try to see someone in person, but money is a preventative right now.


I am not sure about this Becca, but I think there is a CRP and a CRP Cardio.  Can anyone who is more familiar with this enlighten us?

I also do think tweaking your health questions might yield a somewhat different diet.  An example of this is that I am a Hunter.  Most Hunters are meat eaters, yet I have very serious heart disease in my family (all three of my siblings, all of my male cousins, my dad and all of his siblings). As a Hunter, I only get two servings of red meat per week, two servings of poultry per week and SEVEN servings of fish per week.  The only reason I think my SWAMI limits my red meat so much is because of my family history and I did have an elevated CRP-Cardio.  However, my blood test did specify CARDIO.  That is why I am not sure.  Have you had your CRP tested?  It is different from cholesterol.

I think you have found that this diet is not black and white.  People evolve and change.  The right diet for you now might be different in a year.  Again, use your common sense, go back and look at the health questions and have your CRP checked if you have not already  


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^^^Thanks! I think you're right. Somehow since this thread started, I feel more comfortable. I think I just expected SWAMI to be something different. I am tired of being my own doctor and just wanted a printout I could follow. However, it had to be one I was comfortable with. I think I will start out wholeheartedly on the BTD and use SWAMI where I feel comfortable.

EDIT to add: This post is in response to the last two posts above.
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I think I will start out wholeheartedly on the BTD and use SWAMI where I feel comfortable.
they are actually two different systems
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In essence, with the Blood Type Diet system we adjust [the] person to their genes, and with the GenoType Diet system we adjust the genes to the person.
I think you would be better off going wholeheartedly on BTD, do some reading, get more tests for imputing data into swami and then, when you are comfortable, switching to swami.


“Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”

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Yes, SWAMI and BTD are two different systems, but some of it agrees, and I feel that I can glean some from SWAMI too. It makes sense to me even if it doesn't to others.
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I think I just expected SWAMI to be something different. I am tired of being my own doctor and just wanted a printout I could follow.
You'll never want to settle for that once you've got the self-awareness to do better!
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Benandbecca -

I have been on the swami journey since I ordered it months ago -

here are a few helpful hints i would have LOVED someone to put in a book for me:

double check all the info before you put it in the computer

realise that some foods could be more problematic if combined with another food i.e. I personally find having a bowl of fruit after toast + eggs makes me sick, or another one was having nut butter on bread ... even though all these foods were compliant to my swami

if you think you have a history of some sort of disease / condition, but it could have been something i.e. lack of water or whatever, leave it out.
I mistakingly checked almost every box before i worked out that most of my past 'conditions' were simply nutrient deficiencies or problems caused entirely by not eating the right foods (or a balanced diet)- and when i un-checked almost everything, the food choices came back an almost 100% perfect match.

Some particular foods may have an underlying problem, for example, I can have essene bread made with spelt, but this particular one had been baked with sunflower oil of which i react terribly to.

Anyway - I hope all of this was some help !!!
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^^Yes, that was helpful! Thanks!
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Quick Questions..... The practitioners who use SWAMI in their office, do they have a more customizable version?

If I wanted to find a practitioner, are there any in the Atlanta area?
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CRP- C reactive protein shows inflammation in the body
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