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Hi,
I keep hearing and reading that combining fruits with any other foods is a bad idea. Fruits digest very fast and can pass into the instestines within 30min if eaten on an empty stomach but if combined with other foods they get stuck in the stomach and ferment. If this is true then how come that some of the Geno Harmonic Foods are a good idea, an example from my SWAMI: Apricots w/ colby cheese, edam cheese, flaxseed bread, couda cheese or gruyere cheese, And what about those so often eaten breakfast smoothies with yogurt and fruits or my favorite: apples with peanut butter? Any thoughts?
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The Geno Harmonic combos are based on chemical complements that serve the purpose selected on the SWAMI. Several people have gotten weirded out by some of the suggestions. It really has nothing to do with "food combining" as most people discuss.

You can imagine that the texture of a smoothie makes it quick and easy to digest no matter what the ingredients.

Peanut butter and apples...yum.
That one works for me. Again, may be easier because of the texture. I am not concerned about it because it seems to digest fine for me (and I mostly remember to chew well). Fruit and nuts seem to work well together for me, espcially if one or the other is pureed and/or the nuts are soaked. The Unibars Dr. D has are yummy and fairly filling and very easy for me to digest.

I kind of think you have to go on a case by case basis. We are all individuals. Individual foods may be different for each of us. Part of it probably depends on the integrity of your gut.

It makes sense to me not to eat a bunch fruit with a bunch of meat, but a nice marinade from the juice is helpful for many. I know some chefs will even do a puree sauce.

Something that has been helpful for me lately is eating my carbs at the beginning of a leisurely meal and then starting on the animal protein. Just seems to go better. I digest more efficiently.

I don't get real hung up on the stuff. If I did, I would be constantly eating because the timing of everything seems unrealistic especially when combined with trying to get liquids in as well. I would probably end up on too low of a calorie diet if I did it full force.

I tend to look at it as some helpful principles, especially if digestion is poor, not hard and fast rules.

Kind of doubt my ancestors gave a rats about it, so my genes are probably set to handle it pretty well.

There are a lot of other things that have changed in the last 50 years or so, that IMHO, are the reasons many people aren't functioning optimally.  Food combining would rank pretty low on that list.

Enjoy your smoothies. I find them to be super helpful, but I mostly make the green variety.

Best to you.



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Some individuals need to use food combining, otherwise they don't digest food properly. People with GI problems coming into this diet are likely to benefit from food combining, at least temporarily until the gut heals.

Many food combining experts allow nuts to be eaten with fruit. So a trail mix of walnuts, raisins, and almonds, or almond butter on apple slices,  wouldn't be violating food combining rules.

Other people do fine without worrying about food combining, and have no GI issuse no matter what foods they eat with what. Some of us NEED to ignore those rules, as eating carbs without fat and/or protein leads to unstable blood sugar. The only way I personally could follow all the "food combining" rules would be to cut out grains altogether! I can do fine on a meal of protein and veggies, but my grains must be mixed with fat and protien or I'll get reactive hypoglycemia.

Also, "food combining" is another set of "one size fits all" advice. Some individuals, even those who benefit from food combining in general, can handle some specific "wrongly combined" combinations just fine. You may find that your genoharmonic combinations digest just fine, even if other "combined foods" of the same types cause problems. Or, you may find that there are certain GH combos that just don't sit right with you. SWAMI is a great program but it's not perfect- the human body is still way more complex than this computer program. If that's the case, avoid those specific combinations and enjoy other ones that are listed.


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Dina Khader, who spoke at IFHI this year, put out a book about ten years ago. I read it on the plane and thought it was very good. Again, not getting real hung up on it, but might throw some of the ideas into my meal planning. I do love efficiency.  

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Com.....308827363&sr=8-1


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Hi,
I keep hearing and reading that combining fruits with any other foods is a bad idea.


If you are basing this on an e-mail that has been circulating, I've also received several copies.  One day when I had a few minutes, I did some internet searches.  The doctor referred to does not seem to exist.  There are lots of repostings in blogs, but no back up material.  The e-mail originated somewhere in Asia, but has had things added to it to make it sound like it came from New York.  

I think the e-mail is a hoax.  

Dr. D wrote something several years ago that said he didn't advocate food combining, but that if it made someone feel better there was nothing wrong with it.  (That is not a quote.  It's just my big picture memory).




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Having read several books on this subject the main fruits that should be eaten alone (from memory) are melons. but all fruit should be eaten on an empty stomach or at least 3 hours after a meal. Fruit is digested in the intestine and not in the stomach. It is also rapidly digested and goes through the digestive system in around half an hour to 45 mins

I'm sure i read somewhere that bananas should be eaten in the afternoon.


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I stick to the a little protein with every meal.  Including fruit.  And I use berries and what not sometimes to marinate my meats.  

Someone made an excellent point about the unibars.  There is berries with nuts and rice.  That sounds like mixing to me.  

I used to eat berries with my grains, but I have stopped that, as I think it might help the fermentation thing.  And like ruthie said, if I eat a high carb meal, even in smaller amounts, if I don't have protein, I'll get a blood sugar crash before my next meal.  So, yeah, it's hard for me to follow all the "food combining rules".  Although I think there is some wisdom to them, some of us have found that following it strictly doesn't necessarily work.


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My digestion is delicate and sometimes I need to be more careful than at other times, with careful food combining.  I can more easily combine fruit with protein foods than with grains.  Fruit and grains ferment in my stomach and give me heartburn.  



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About the strongest statement I've seen from Dr. D. about food combining is on pg. 183 of The Genotype Diet.  
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Try not to combine starches and protein.  Good food combining (eating meats with high-fiber vegetables and carbohydrates by themselves) enhances the transit time of the meal through the gut, which lowers the demands on the immune cells that line the digestive tract.  Decreasing the workload of the immune system in the gut increases its ability to function efficiently, which decreases inflammation.  Don't stress over it, but if the dinner plate looks like good food combining, smile and pat yourself on the back.


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Fruit is digested in the intestine and not in the stomach.


According to my Anatomy book
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Protein digestion is initiated in the stomach and is essentially the only type of enzymatic digestion that occurs there.
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Despite the obvious benefits of preparing food to enter the intestine, the only stomach function essential to life is secretion of intrinsic factor...required for intestinal absorption of vitamin B12.
(this is why it is possible to live without a stomach if you can get B12 some other way)
Therefore, not only fruit, but starch and everything else is digested in the intestines.


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Thanks for all the imput! I decided I will keep on enjoying my apples with peanut butter!
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I had one with almond butter last night.  Mmmmmmmmmm


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Dina Khader, who spoke at IFHI this year, put out a book about ten years ago. I read it on the plane and thought it was very good. Again, not getting real hung up on it, but might throw some of the ideas into my meal planning. I do love efficiency.  

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Com.....308827363&sr=8-1


Pity this book is not available in e-book, hard to get around here  ... I have been researching this topic a bit lately and been introducing more raw and food combining into my Swami plans ...




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Back in the mid '90s, I read a book called (I think) Fit for Life.

The author said eat only fruit in the morning with nothing else.

He said if you were going to eat melon, do that first, because of the rapid transit time.

Then later in the morning, eat other fruits.

Lastly, about 45 minutes before lunch, eat a banana, because transit is longer.

He said if you eat other food with fruit, (except celery), it ferments and doesn't digest right, because fruit goes through you so fast (30 minutes on avg.).

He also said to eat no sugar with fruit because it turns it acidic.

He also said not to eat meats with heavy starches (such as potatoes) because it takes different enzymes to digest each and they can cancel out each other.

He said meats are acidic and require an enzyme that digests acids. Most heavy starches require an enzyme that would digest the alkaline foods.

He said you can eat starches with most veggies, or meats with most veggies.

He said for the remaining two meals, have a salad for one meal, and meat and veggies for the other.

He said when you have a salad, pick either eggs, meat, cheese, or croûtons in the salad but don't mix those foods at the same meal.

I think I remember pretty accurately what he wrote, (although I do have senior moments) because I read the book several times, due to having ulcers and needing answers. There wasn't much info for the public about ulcers back then.  I don't remember his name, though.

The diet didn't help my ulcer pain but I did lose a lot more weight.  


I printed this and posted it on my fridge// I like the weight-loss part..

I am currently trying this new item.. eat grapefruit twice a day - 20 minutes BEFORE eating.

Lunch and dinner:  meat and veg ..  will see how that goes for weight...  

Snacks: a sweet potato  or  frozen slice of pineapple.


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Back in the mid '90s, I read a book called (I think) Fit for Life. The author said eat only fruit in the morning with nothing else. He said if you were going to eat melon, do that first, because of the rapid transit time. Then later in the morning, eat other fruits. Lastly, about 45 minutes before lunch, eat a banana, because transit longer is longer. He said if you eat other food with fruit, (except celery), it ferments and doesn't digest right, because fruit goes through you so fast (30 minutes on avg.). He also said not to eat sugar with fruit because it turns it acidic. He also said not to eat meats with heavy starches (such as potatoes) because it takes different enzymes to digest each and they can cancel out eat other. He said meats are acidic and require an enzyme that digests acids. Most heavy starches require an enzyme that would digest the alkaline foods. He said you can eat startches with most vegies, or meats with most vegies. He said for the remaining two meals, have a salad for one meal, and meat and vegies for the other. He said when you have a salad, pick either eggs, meat, cheese, or croutons in the salad but don't mix those foods at the same meal. I think I remember pretty accurately what he wrote, (although I do have senior moments) because I read the book several times, due to having ulcers and needing answers. There wasn't much info for the public about ulcers back then.  I don't remember his name, though. The diet didn't help my ulcer pain but I did lose a lot more weight.


Well, I think you may referring to my new Kindle book by Leslie Kenton: The Raw Energy Bible.  It preaches exactly all that.  I sort of started to apply these principles into my Swami ... What I like about this book is that it addresses everything, every food group including what to cook or not ... yes, although it is the Raw Energy Bible, it still gives options for lightly cooked veggies, meats and grains ... so I am finding it very easy to integrate with my Swami plans ...





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http://www.enotes.com/fit-for-life-salem/fit-for-life    

I think this is close enough.. I am going to try this because of the ONE page postabe on my fridge from the above.. nice gift to be done so simple.. thanks D.L. ..

It conforms with lots of what we know now-a-day.. yet then in 1985 it was most likely revolutionary..

the book was built on info of 1935.. we HERE have come a long way.. so much sounds familiar now.. but the above was a NEAT compilation..  


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I tried Fit For Life. It didn't work for me. I tried to follow that "eat fruit in the mornings" thing, but my blood sugar never stabilized doing that (though I didn't identify the problem at the time)- I would just eat fruit, feel full for a little while, then get shaky, eat more fruit, and just never felt good. The only way I could possibly manage on the "only fruit in the mornings" was by doing the heaviest combination they allowed: bananas and nuts, often in a smoothie.

I wasn't able to lose weight doing that, and I never felt strong or energetic during that time either. I stopped doing this after a few weeks because I found out I was pregnant, and then I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes. My Mom had recently been diagnosed with diabetes, so I knew I was at high risk of getting it myself if I wasn't careful. Carbs without protein or fruit with nothing else in the meal are both recipes for high blood sugar, so I don't intend to give this "fit for life" thing a try again. It clearly won't work for me.  


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Thanks Ruthie for your feedback.  I am still following my Swami, including having my morning coffee (which is no, no for that combo system but super bene for me!).  I have got attracted to the digestion times issue, also the no combo of proteins and starches as well as the making proteins and starches side dishes, rather than the limelight of my plate. Now if I take into consideration my Swami portions,  with 2.5 cups of LiveFoods for lunch and another 2.5 cups for dinner and only less than a handful portion for either proteins or starches, it is pretty much what it is on my plan ... I do not have to learn anything new, just follow my plan to the letter.  OK, I am separating the starches from the proteins for the next few days (that is new to me) and only eat fruit till 10am (morning coffee time) ... or eat fruit just before main meals allowing 20minutes digestion before it.  Will report back if there is anything to report ...




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I tried eating grapefruit yesterday in the morning and it made me feel starved all day..

I chose it thinking it would maybe cut some fat as I am weightloss dieting again.. I was way to hungry.. not good..

back to what I know.. maybe other fruits.. but not that one..

I will still adhere to the time frame in my post way above and see.. but not for breakfast, Ruthygirl might be right about the blood sugar spiking.. something did..

I think I had enough grapefruit for a while, there was a time I could not get enough of it.. but my upper stomach, a feeling under the ribs, seems unhappy now..


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Harvey Diamond said in his book that most fruit goes through you very fast, which is why you shouldn't eat other, slow moving, foods with fruit. But because of fruit's fast transit time, you will be hungry again. So, he said, eat more fruit until lunch. But yes, if you have blood sugar issues, you have to be very careful not to raise/spike your blood sugar levels. According to him, there are three time slots in the circadian rhythm of the body. 1st from about 4:00 am to noon is the time your body is trying to get rid of waste, so fruit is the ideal food at that time. I haven't done any research to see if that is correct or not. I remember being always hungry after breakfast(s)when I tried that plan, although I don't think I had high blood sugar at the time. His plan was very popular. I didn't stay on the plan long, only one summer, because life got in my way, but I did get skinny enough to wear a black leotard and tights for a performance (never again will I wear that). By the way, Dr.Oz said you should have some protein with breakfast. I don't think he is into food combining, from the looks of his shows. So, Z, to answer your original question, I just don't know for certain. Harvey Diamond made sense to me then and I lost a lot of weight ... but??
About grapefruit ... I had always heard/read that you shouldn't take meds with grapefruit juice. Now I read that even separating it from meds by several hours still isn't good. I'll have to look it up again.
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I eat some kind of fruit every morning.  MMmmmm.  But it's AFTER I eat an egg and some meat.  Ruthie and I have the same deal.  Fruit by itself for me is not that good of an idea.  

You have to find out what works for you.  Some of the rules are good though, but I don't think they are all necessary for everyone.  In fact, some of the rules just don't work at all at might be doing more harm than good.  

But it's good info to know.  


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Well, I am starting slow with this plan ... Eating fruit (not pineapple) up to 10 am.  So far this is my routine:

6:00 am = fresh squeeze lemon juice first drink in the morning.  Sometime straight, sometimes with a bit of warm water

7:00am - Then I prepare a fruit juice with apple and some other fruits.  Today was 2 apples, 1 kiwi, a small piece of fresh ginger from the garden, about 4 big strawberries.  That gave us about two glasses, one of hubby and one for me.  Since that was to be my only breakfast, I ate the fruit pulp with a spoon afterwards.

At about 9:00am I had a treadmill walk for about 1 hour at about 4.5km/h pace (with 5 minutes either side a lot slower during warm up and cool down).

10:00am - Rice cakes with peanut butter.  Super benes for me and making sure I get my protein intake straight after the exercise.  I was not hungry at all from breakfast and I could have continue eating fruit till lunch, but I love my coffee and peanut butter in the morning and see no need to stop that yet.

Lunch time was at about 1:00pm, consiting of some steam veggies, some raw veggies and some protein.  Cauliflower and Broccoli formed the main part of the salad, both steamed and raw.  I sprinkle them with some grated carrot, finely chopped red bell pepper, grated ginger. chopped coriander (the herb), some chopped red onion, a little piece of beetroot and chopped celery leaves.  The protein was grilled fish for me, just less than the palm of my hand size.  I dressed the salad with a bit of olive oil, flaxseed oil and lemon juice.  Just prior to eating it we had a freshly made juice of : cilantro (including the little roots), read onion, raw broccoli, celery stick, some beetroot and a carrot.  Had enough to have a cup for each of us and then more (which I am using in my rice dish for dinner, together with the byproduct veggie pulp).

It is now nearly 6:00pm and although I have not eating anything since 1:30pm when we finished lunch, I am not hungry at all.  But, I am committed to eating dinner not latter than 7:00pm, so I will do that soon.  

Dinner time is my carbohydrate and veggies time, the confort food of rice or bread.  BRown rice on the menu tonight with all that leftover veggie pulp and more from lunch!  Again, the veggies are taken the real estate in my plate, leaving just a bit of room for my grains ... about the size of the palm of my hand.   .... Sounds familiar?  it is what was always written in my Swami but I never quite saw it this way ...

Feeling great so far, very satisfied and motivated ...   Off to prepare and have dinner ....




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Feeling great so far, very satisfied and motivated ...   Off to prepare and have dinner ....


sounds all so wonderful, can I invite me to dinner?  

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The grapefruit in the morning no longer works for me.. I don't take meds that matter, so that is not the issue, meds only interfere with grapefruit when it is MAKING the meds stronger..     its all bunk, rather Eat Right and don't need meds!!!!

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I do get hungry from grapefruit (at the moment) when I eat it in the morning, alone. I get stomach - not real pain -but discomfort now.. (I think I messed ME up with what I am eating).. maybe with eggs it would be better.  I have abandoned eggs for a short while now.. I have eaten eggs for decades for breakfast...

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I still like the plan from way above, makes sense.. thanks for the additional info..  






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sounds all so wonderful, can I invite me to dinner?  

I still like the plan from way above, makes sense.. thanks for the additional info..  



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