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JJR
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Do you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?  I know that is a label for a constellation of symptoms.  It is scarey that 3 years later and you aren't fixed by being on swami.  I pray that it doesn't take that long to start feeling like myself again.  

I used to lift weights 3-4 days a week, did cardio 3 times a week or more and trained horses along with a lot of heavy lifting.  When I became ill, just about 4 years ago, everything stopped.  I feel sick if I stand more than 30 minutes.  Even if I have the gumption to try to do a task, I can't finish it because I feel ill. I went from a go, go, go person to a full fledged halt.

I have not done a tilt table test.  Not sure my insurance would pay for it and my doctor hasn't suggested it.  My bp has made it difficult to get my thyroid meds right.  With a low bp, I would get palpitations with the thyroid meds.  The doctor put me on pregnenolone and that has really helped.  Even still, I can't do anything.  Some days it is so difficult to even cook.  My DH helps me on the weekends prepare food for the week.  We make rice and quinoa for him and can even cook something for his lunches for the week days and freeze it.  

When this illness hit, I was sure it was some fluke that would go away if I just rested.  I never thought for one minute that it would last this long.  I have been under a tremendous amount of stress due to my husbands health and a private mortgage we hold that was never paid for by the family we sold the land to.  We are foreclosing on that family now, but we will never get what we had in that note back due to the economy.  They owe us $140K and we will be lucky to get 70K.

I feel your pain with your bp.  Salt helps me get past some of the dizzy spells.  You are younger than I am so you may beat what is going on with you. My gut flora is not good.  I am hoping that PolyFlora is going to fix that.  

My doctor says that chronic fatigue syndrome usually encompasses low adrenals, low thyroid, low hormones, high epstein barr, or past infections.  My past infections on my blood work are long and high titers.  Even with all that, I rarely ever get a cold.  Feeling like you are getting better than actually feeling worse, is the daily grind for me.  I keep praying for God to give me some function back.  My poor husband is doing too much.



I haven't been doing swami for 3 years.  My crash happened about a little less than 4 years ago.  I think.  It was in the fall and I'm pretty sure I was 35 at the time.  And it took me a while to get on the BTD.  I've only been doing swami for.....  Hang on, let me look...   August of 2009.  But I got frustrated with it and went to the fatigue BTD for a while.  Which was good.  And no, I've never been diagnosed with CFS, but I can tell you, I struggle with it.  Just from how I felt before I had my crash.  It was just like you.  I was strong, full of pee and vinegar, constantly on the go, etc etc.  But, due to stress, lack of sleep, metal toxicity, H.Pylori, and more, I crashed hard.  And had to slow it all down real quick.  

So, I wouldn't be discourage by my results.  I actually see really good things happening.  But, they are kind of bittersweet.  I'm not always sure how to read all my symptoms.  I used to be on over a dozen different supplements to stay afloat.  Now I've been taking 3, daily.  Well, I take digestive enzymes at every meal, so I'm considering that the 3rd.  I do take probiotics some mornings, which would be a fourth.  The other two are a tsp of Cod liver oil and 50-100 mg of ubqh(coq10).  But what I wanted to tell you is that I used to have to take something to kill the H.Pylori, Crypto infection daily.  I was on a homeopath, Gastro D, sometimes 3 or 4 a day.  Sometimes the teacher catalyst.  Paracleanse.  Etc.  I was constantly taking something to get my stomach to want to eat any foods at all.  And have any appetite.  Well, I don't have to do that any longer and my stomach seems to be producing stomach acids better on it's own and getting hungry without all that help.  But it seems like it took me forever.  I eat cultured vegetables every day and I think that helps it quite a bit.  I used to eat ginger like it was going out of style and I KNOW that was helping kill that bug. I also ate garlic quite a bit at one time.  I still eat garlic and ginger nearly daily, but not in the amounts I used to.  There were times I'd eat a clove of garlic on an empty stomach, or two, and still use it in lunch and dinner cooking.    So, there are definite signs of getting better.  

But I was diagnosed with this POTS or what's similar to what you said, orthostatic intolerance and I can tell I get these symptoms.  Dr.D said to try licorice root tea, and I still haven't done it yet.  I need to.  I do notice that when I eat lamb, it helps my bp.  Plus, drinking lots of water every day.  My symptoms with this seem to fluctuate with how I'm feeling.  I got into a good routine over the winter and was gaining weight and felt stronger.  Now this spring, I feel like what you said, after a half hour of being vertical, I'm kind of wiped.  Or just doing mild jobs that take some effort.  My life is doing CAD work on a computer part time, cooking and doing dishes.  In short spurts.  I remember one time in March I was on my feet for about 2 hours, cleaning the refrigerator and cooking and then I overdid and cooked dessert, and I was wiped for a day after that.  It's like my nerves in the center of my body just get all haywire.  I get the chills and my heart rate stays higher than it should at rest.  I got no brakes.  My cardiologist told me to start learning some core strengthening exercise will laying down.  I have exercised some, but it's more like stretching, a little bit of leg lifts and a little bit of stomach strengthening and it never gets my heart rate up much at all.  But it's better than nothing I guess.  I don't do it every day but maybe 3 times a week.  I need to do more, but go slow.  I don't know.  I'd be interested to talk to you more about this either by phone, email or PM.  I have a couple of leads of different people that have struggled with this type of problem and I'm hoping to learn more tips on dealing with it.  There was an exercise program by Dr. Levine in Texas that claims he can cure many people of it.  But my cardiologist said they had people do it and they got mixed results.  I still think for me it all goes back to the disruption in digestion and all the functions it has affected.   Although I'm open to hearing if there is a reason why it happened and if it's treatable.  I have many reasons that I know of that caused it, but some people say it could be a virus or disease like lymes or something.  Which is completely possible.  But even still, I'm not taking antibiotics for lyme, even if they were sure I did have it, because that will just make the digestion worse.  And I think it's the stuff they can't see in the guts that is my problem.  "Biofilms"  Bad bacteria.  Wrong balance, and that's what I'm working on with this diet and trying to find the right probiotic, or cultured food to help that.


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But I was diagnosed with this POTS or what's similar to what you said, orthostatic intolerance and I can tell I get these symptoms.  Dr.D said to try licorice root tea, and I still haven't done it yet.  I need to.  I do notice that when I eat lamb, it helps my bp.  Plus, drinking lots of water every day.  My symptoms with this seem to fluctuate with how I'm feeling.  I got into a good routine over the winter and was gaining weight and felt stronger.  Now this spring, I feel like what you said, after a half hour of being vertical, I'm kind of wiped.  Or just doing mild jobs that take some effort.  My life is doing CAD work on a computer part time, cooking and doing dishes.  In short spurts.  I remember one time in March I was on my feet for about 2 hours, cleaning the refrigerator and cooking and then I overdid and cooked dessert, and I was wiped for a day after that.  It's like my nerves in the center of my body just get all haywire.  I get the chills and my heart rate stays higher than it should at rest.  I got no brakes.  My cardiologist told me to start learning some core strengthening exercise will laying down.  I have exercised some, but it's more like stretching, a little bit of leg lifts and a little bit of stomach strengthening and it never gets my heart rate up much at all.  But it's better than nothing I guess.  I don't do it every day but maybe 3 times a week.  I need to do more, but go slow.  I don't know.  I'd be interested to talk to you more about this either by phone, email or PM.  I have a couple of leads of different people that have struggled with this type of problem and I'm hoping to learn more tips on dealing with it.  There was an exercise program by Dr. Levine in Texas that claims he can cure many people of it.  But my cardiologist said they had people do it and they got mixed results.  I still think for me it all goes back to the disruption in digestion and all the functions it has affected.   Although I'm open to hearing if there is a reason why it happened and if it's treatable.  I have many reasons that I know of that caused it, but some people say it could be a virus or disease like lymes or something.  Which is completely possible.  But even still, I'm not taking antibiotics for lyme, even if they were sure I did have it, because that will just make the digestion worse.  And I think it's the stuff they can't see in the guts that is my problem.  "Biofilms"  Bad bacteria.  Wrong balance, and that's what I'm working on with this diet and trying to find the right probiotic, or cultured food to help that.



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I think I'm back on track! I didn't react nearly as badly to the avoids (read sugar and wheat flour) in the dinner I consumed on Saturday, and two days later am not jonesing for either. Of course, it does help that I'm not going grocery shopping so soon after the ingesting. It'll still be a couple of days before I can get into Santa Fe to shop.

I'm still keeping track of my swami suggested portions/frequencies and noticed that last week (even including the dinner), I only went over on my dairy and oil portions. And I only went over on the dairy portions because swami gives me 5 tsp OR (5) 6 ounce servings of yogurt, but not both. I eat ghee and yogurt almost every day, so...and I'm not overly concerned about eating more than 5 Tbsp of oil per week.


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I'm in need of a kick-start with "sugar"-y foods. I'm still not ingesting any refined sugar, but have been eating a few too many dried fruits, and drinking too much red wine. I've also been eating too many grains. I get three servings daily, but I find 1-2 per day is more my speed.

I have been drinking a lot of water kefir lately, but don't find that that causes cravings. The opposite, really. It's the red wine, then the bread, even rye bread is causing cravings. I just can't do those right now.


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When you consume alchohol, the first thing to go is your judement - I don't mean you personally, but in general - I know it's true for me. I can be determined to have only one glass, then... well... one more will be fine...etc... Wine is my vice, I just love it. We won't even talk about the sugar/carb factor, and where that leads...

My biggest fear is becoming AuntChrisandherglassofwine (all one word)


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When you consume alchohol, the first thing to go is your judgement...


Ain't that the truth!


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Today is Day #1 of avoiding sweets and red wine for me.  Hope I make it!  Auntchrissieandherglassofwine!  
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I'm lenient on sugar for some reason.  But by that I mean a once a week treat.... or more, depending.  I am pretty careful really.  Not having a daily dose of chocolate anymore.  It's an important step I think and not as hard as people think if you replace choccy and other sugary foods with healthy foods like nuts, fats, etc.  I find that I can load up on those foods.  If I need a sweet taste I try to use stevia.

The difference for me is that since I eat minimally during the day I don't have that constant insulin battle that can set up you up to want SUGAR!  It's entirely a choice for me now.
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Since I'm an all-or-nothing type of person (moderation and I are just getting to know one another), I either have to give it up, or eat it. Once a week just won't do, in my case.

I did have a few raisins in my morning bowl of yogurt, and nothing since. I had some rice in the lentil soup I made last night, and some Mary's Gone Crackers for an early dinner, along with some turkey salami (Applegate Farms; my first time trying it...not bad, but won't make it a habit).

I'm off the red wine (again)...as I said, drinking alcohol makes my "resolve" take a back seat.


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Today is Day #1 of avoiding sweets and red wine for me.  Hope I make it!  Auntchrissieandherglassofwine!  


I'm rooting for you, O in VA! Just take it one day at a time.


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Thank you, Drea.  I made it through Day One with no sugar and no red wine.  I was sorta jonesin' for it, but I stuck it out.  Cold turkey is the only thing that works for me.  I'm the all or nothing type, too.     I'm having some peppermint tea now...rather than red wine and chocolate.
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