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Drea
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Not for anything Drea, but I think you're gonna binge again until you realize that Warriors shouldn't restrict anything related to carbs..


I do eat carbs, in the form of grains, starchy vegetables, beans, fruits, and veg gly (beneficial).


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I actually have lost weight ignoring the low fat ideal.  It is easy for me to drop weight cutting back on carbs and increasing protein.  Obviously, that is not a good thing with swami.  I believe I am insulin resistant so that starches go right to the belly.  


Kim, read the labels on the "not" meat products. Most have wheat gluten in them.
Also, protein is fine for A's, as long as it's not red meat. Can you eat turkey?

Fat doesn't make you fat (the link that grey rabbit posted clears that myth up, though I already knew this to be true), excess carbs and sugars make you fat.


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The "cascade of cravings" story has been told so many times on the board that I would like to see some kind of explanation for it.  Is it neurotransmitter based?

I have found how much I have come to depend on the Ginger Yerba Mate tea to suppress my sweet tooth - the hard way!  Every time after a meal the tea makes me feel full and satiated; there is no desire for anything sweet.  A three week "holiday" from both the weight maintenance supplements and Ginger-Yerba has raised my blood pressure, my weight, and my cravings.

Has anyone else had a good experience with this tea combo, or is it just specific to me?
Gosh, Paul, I'm in the midst of weight gain and mild cravings.  I've assumed it was the lack of exercise due to rainy weather and more meat-free meals.  But the other thing I've done was stop the Yerba-Mate tea.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Kim, read the labels on the "not" meat products. Most have wheat gluten in them.
Also, protein is fine for A's, as long as it's not red meat. Can you eat turkey?

Fat doesn't make you fat (the link that grey rabbit posted clears that myth up, though I already knew this to be true), excess carbs and sugars make you fat.


I agree, I don't lose any weight if I go low fat.  In fact, fats help me lose weight, not to mention the body does not function well without it.  

Because I can't really read my fingerprints, I am on the line with swami between the Teacher and Warrior.  I gain with rice and am wondering how to really know what to follow when I can't accurately put my fingerprints in.  One tiny change and I go the other direction.  I thought that I could try just doing vegetarian meals for a while and see what happens but that is hard to do if you are not eating any rice or quinoa.  

I would prefer not to buy foods that are "meal ready".  I make all my food and have for a long time.  I can't remember the last time I even ate GF bread.  

I am so frustrated by my weight going up since trying to follow swami.  I am not able to eat all the live food portions due to very slow digestive system.  I just can't digest all that food and what happens is that all of a sudden, I just can't eat.  That usually means skipping dinner which is not helping anything.

I can eat turkey and fish but want it a lot more than swami says I can have it.  Without that meat protein, I am so hungry.  I am dying to eat oatmeal, but so far it is making the scale go up.  Rice causes pain, but I think I am okay with quinoa.  

I was a lousy vegetarian  years ago as far as combining foods correctly.  I lost a lot of muscle mass and at my age, that is hard to get back especially when my health is stopping me from working out.  I am trying to figure out how to mix foods the right way so as not to be protein deficient.  Eating low carb actually helps me keep my weight down, but that goes totally against what swami wants me to do.

I guess that I am feeling very lost with swami right now.  

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Kim, give it some time, relax, go back and read through swami again. Look at the "genoharmonic" food combinations at the end of swami. I am surprised by the large amount of fish I'm given on my Teacher swami, 5 to 7 oz. 5x a week. 5 to 7oz is two cans of sardines, an entire can of tuna, or half a large can of salmon. I don't know how much different your swami is, I'm about the same percent "teacher" as you.

I discovered that sugar was the big issue with my gut that I thought wheat was. I'm still going easy-to-none on the wheat.


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I've not been eating my swami recommended servings of grains for the week, so tonight I'm having some quinoa with homemade pesto for dinner. Usually I put pesto on rice pasta, but since I'm forgoing any flour products for a while, and I'm eating pasta tomorrow, and rice takes too long to cook, I'm having it over quinoa. I also had some sliced daikon rashish and an apple, while waiting for the quinoa to finish cooking.

Surprisingly, lunch was very filling and lasted me close to 4 hours. I wonder if it was the turnip that filled me up?


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Kim, give it some time, relax, go back and read through swami again. Look at the "genoharmonic" food combinations at the end of swami. I am surprised by the large amount of fish I'm given on my Teacher swami, 5 to 7 oz. 5x a week. 5 to 7oz is two cans of sardines, an entire can of tuna, or half a large can of salmon. I don't know how much different your swami is, I'm about the same percent "teacher" as you.

I discovered that sugar was the big issue with my gut that I thought wheat was. I'm still going easy-to-none on the wheat.


I don't eat any sugar at all.  I haven't for a very long time. I will look at the genoharmonic food combos again.  They all seem like they would taste terrible to add to each other. My protein servings are the same as yours.

I just can't eat sardines.  I asked the group for suggestions to hide them in things, but I am still reluctant to eat something I hate.  I am not a picky eater at all, just the few things I don't like, I don't want to eat.  

I am wondering if I can just cut out the turkey for a while and increase the fish servings to cover the turkey servings.  I know I digest fish better.  I am eating tuna, although I prefer the albacore. I know it has so much more mercury in it so I am eating the cheaper stuff.  Salmon is sitting like a brick in my stomach when I eat it.  I love it, but for some reason, maybe the extra fat in it, it doesn't digest well.  I am going to have to try some again but maybe split a can over three meals.  

The only thing I have had control over the past year is my weight.  I have lost a lot of weight.  I am hurting all the time, so losing the control over my weight is pushing me over the edge with stress. Not so good when the adrenals aren't working.  I am going to do some more deep breathing and make a few changes within swami, and pray.

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Kim, have you tried adding a bromalain supplement to your diet? Dr. D has a good one, it has helped me a lot. Before I got my swami I was following the A type diet and I was a pescitarian (I only ate fish, no other meat) and it worked well for me. I don't eat turkey or chicken unless I am having dinner with my type O children, or if it is left over in the fridge and I don't want to waste it.


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Kim, have you tried adding a bromalain supplement to your diet? Dr. D has a good one, it has helped me a lot. Before I got my swami I was following the A type diet and I was a pescitarian (I only ate fish, no other meat) and it worked well for me. I don't eat turkey or chicken unless I am having dinner with my type O children, or if it is left over in the fridge and I don't want to waste it.


I have been using Loomis digestive enzymes but am stopping because of the cost.  I do use Quercitin with Bromelain twice a day.  The one I take is a higher dose of bromelain than Dr. D's product but the NAP Bromelain may absorb better.  I am ordering from NAP this weekend so I will look at that one.    
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Soy Boy brand Not Dogs are gluten free. Says it right on the package.  Kim, I'm not a big fruit lover. I have my fruit mostly in the morning. I found that if I eat fruit at night it triggers sugar cravings..
I did think of increasing it to 2 times a day, maybe in the afternoon.  
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I do eat carbs, in the form of grains, starchy vegetables, beans, fruits, and veg gly (beneficial).


I know, I meant sugars.. like a little bit of some kind of sugar..so you won't feel deprived. Otherwise you wouldn't have gone on the binge..right?
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For me, the right kind of sugar makes all the difference in the world. Agave and honey don't have the detrimental effect that cane or beet sugar has. I'm not a big fan of fruit either, except blueberries. Dates are a really good sweet treat if I need it, Lara bars are one of my faves.


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Soy Boy brand Not Dogs are gluten free. Says it right on the package.  Kim, I'm not a big fruit lover. I have my fruit mostly in the morning. I found that if I eat fruit at night it triggers sugar cravings..
I did think of increasing it to 2 times a day, maybe in the afternoon.  


I really don't crave sugar.  Mostly I want salty things.  

What I find is that if I want something sweet, fruit takes care of that.  I eat Kiwi which are more of a tart/sweet taste.  I do eat pineapple most every day in yogurt and that feels like I am getting dessert.  I just love it.  I found frozen cherries in Costco and they are excellent too. Also, I love dried figs.  It is like a fig newton without the newton.  We have nectarine trees and they just started to fruit this year.  Unfortunately, the deer found the baby nectarines before we could block off the trees.  Down to one tree with nectarines on them.  They are still tiny.

My refrigerator is overflowing so if I buy some frozen fruit or dried fruit to take out as needed it helps. We sell organic eggs and the eggs take up a big part of my fridge.  

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I really don't crave sugar.  Mostly I want salty things.  


Have you done an iodine patch test?  Whenever I crave salt, I need iodine...  Not saying it is the same for you, just asking...


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I guess that I am feeling very lost with swami right now.  

Don't stress over it...  As long as you get some beneficials and avoid the avoids, the body will start healing.  Balance will come as the body heals.  It is not all peaches and cream during the process, though...


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I know, I meant sugars.. like a little bit of some kind of sugar..so you won't feel deprived. Otherwise you wouldn't have gone on the binge..right?

While total deprivation from sugar may cause bingeing for some, the largest reason I went on binges was due to eating an avoid that messed with my insulin control.  I would then want the sugars to balance out the blood sugars until I got the junk worked out of the system.


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Have you done an iodine patch test?  Whenever I crave salt, I need iodine...  Not saying it is the same for you, just asking...


I don't know anything about the iodine patch test.  I used to take Iodorol because I am hypothyroid.  The doctor said I could go off for a while and then when I went to buy some again, everyone was out because of the nuclear issues in Japan.  Craving salt is a symptom of low adrenals.  

My doctor actually has me carry sea salt with me because I have orthostatic intolerance.  I get very dizzy sometimes when I stand as my blood pressure drops and my pulse goes up.  My bp is usually 95/65.  I have the metabolism of a slug.
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I know, I meant sugars.. like a little bit of some kind of sugar..so you won't feel deprived. Otherwise you wouldn't have gone on the binge..right?


I don't think I feel deprived by not eating sugar. Besides, I didn't binge on sugar, I binged on bread and cheese and wine. The chocolate cake was just the last straw, so to speak.

But, I am listening to your suggestion, Mayflowers. As my contribution to the dinner tonight, I made kale slaw using walnut oil, lemon juice, and agave for the dressing.

So far today I've eaten coffee with soy milk, kale slaw (the last that wouldn't fit into the container), sauteed red onion, mushrooms, rutabaga, garlic in evoo.


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For me, the right kind of sugar makes all the difference in the world. Agave and honey don't have the detrimental effect that cane or beet sugar has. I'm not a big fan of fruit either, except blueberries. Dates are a really good sweet treat if I need it, Lara bars are one of my faves.


Honey does damage in terms of cravings, but agave and veg gly don't. Agave is neutral and veg gly is a superfood. I love fruits, almost all on my swami, and I eat lara bars frequently.



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So far today I've eaten coffee with soy milk, kale slaw (the last that wouldn't fit into the container), sauteed red onion, mushrooms, rutabaga, garlic in evoo.


What kind of soy milk do you use?  Most that I have seen have avoid ingredients.  Not sure I am going to like it in my espresso.
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I use TJs brand: ingredients are soy beans, filtered water.


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I don't know anything about the iodine patch test.  I used to take Iodorol because I am hypothyroid.  The doctor said I could go off for a while and then when I went to buy some again, everyone was out because of the nuclear issues in Japan.  Craving salt is a symptom of low adrenals.  

My doctor actually has me carry sea salt with me because I have orthostatic intolerance.  I get very dizzy sometimes when I stand as my blood pressure drops and my pulse goes up.  My bp is usually 95/65.  I have the metabolism of a slug.


Wow, we do sound very similar.  As I think I crave salt more than sweets.  And I've been diagnosed with POTS with hypotension.  I would love to talk to you more about this, because I struggle with low BP too.  They're saying my vessels aren't restricting when they need to be.  I failed a tip table test down at mayo in florida.  Actually I failed most of the neurological tests.  Blowing into a tube, and sweating with electrodes.  Have they ever done those to you?  I think it's low adrenals and poor neurotransmitter function. Plus the usual gut dysbiosis that I've been trying to fix for the last 3 years.  Which is getting better, But, I've yet to overcome all these issues.  At times I feel like I'm getting better in some ways, yet I sometimes feel like I'm worse.  When I try to do much exercise or use my strength, I feel awful.   And it's like there's nothing to slow down my heart rate.  Do you have that problem?  


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Wow, we do sound very similar.  As I think I crave salt more than sweets.  And I've been diagnosed with POTS with hypotension.  I would love to talk to you more about this, because I struggle with low BP too.  They're saying my vessels aren't restricting when they need to be.  I failed a tip table test down at mayo in florida.  Actually I failed most of the neurological tests.  Blowing into a tube, and sweating with electrodes.  Have they ever done those to you?  I think it's low adrenals and poor neurotransmitter function. Plus the usual gut dysbiosis that I've been trying to fix for the last 3 years.  Which is getting better, But, I've yet to overcome all these issues.  At times I feel like I'm getting better in some ways, yet I sometimes feel like I'm worse.  When I try to do much exercise or use my strength, I feel awful.   And it's like there's nothing to slow down my heart rate.  Do you have that problem?  


Do you have Chronic Fatigue Syndrome?  I know that is a label for a constellation of symptoms.  It is scarey that 3 years later and you aren't fixed by being on swami.  I pray that it doesn't take that long to start feeling like myself again.  

I used to lift weights 3-4 days a week, did cardio 3 times a week or more and trained horses along with a lot of heavy lifting.  When I became ill, just about 4 years ago, everything stopped.  I feel sick if I stand more than 30 minutes.  Even if I have the gumption to try to do a task, I can't finish it because I feel ill. I went from a go, go, go person to a full fledged halt.

I have not done a tilt table test.  Not sure my insurance would pay for it and my doctor hasn't suggested it.  My bp has made it difficult to get my thyroid meds right.  With a low bp, I would get palpitations with the thyroid meds.  The doctor put me on pregnenolone and that has really helped.  Even still, I can't do anything.  Some days it is so difficult to even cook.  My DH helps me on the weekends prepare food for the week.  We make rice and quinoa for him and can even cook something for his lunches for the week days and freeze it.  

When this illness hit, I was sure it was some fluke that would go away if I just rested.  I never thought for one minute that it would last this long.  I have been under a tremendous amount of stress due to my husbands health and a private mortgage we hold that was never paid for by the family we sold the land to.  We are foreclosing on that family now, but we will never get what we had in that note back due to the economy.  They owe us $140K and we will be lucky to get 70K.

I feel your pain with your bp.  Salt helps me get past some of the dizzy spells.  You are younger than I am so you may beat what is going on with you. My gut flora is not good.  I am hoping that PolyFlora is going to fix that.  

My doctor says that chronic fatigue syndrome usually encompasses low adrenals, low thyroid, low hormones, high epstein barr, or past infections.  My past infections on my blood work are long and high titers.  Even with all that, I rarely ever get a cold.  Feeling like you are getting better than actually feeling worse, is the daily grind for me.  I keep praying for God to give me some function back.  My poor husband is doing too much.

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Gosh, Paul, I'm in the midst of weight gain and mild cravings.  I've assumed it was the lack of exercise due to rainy weather and more meat-free meals.  But the other thing I've done was stop the Yerba-Mate tea.
We are well matched in terms of epigenetics.  Try the  Ginger Yerba Mate combination.  I use Traditional Medicinal, but the brand may not be as important as herbs.  I drink a very large pot of this (three bags) as a dessert after each meal.


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I went to a dinner party last night and didn't have full control over the menu. I tasted a bit of everything, and brought kale slaw (raw kale, broccoli stems, carrots, walnut oil, lemon juice, and agave), ate the cilantro jicama salad with water cress, ate the pasta primavera with gorgonzola cheese, ate the lemon bars, and the fresh strawberries (one dipped in sour cream, maple sugar, balsamic vinegar mix just to taste it - OMG, very nice combination!), plus some red wine. Oh, yeah, I forgot the corn chips that I ate with guacamole before dinner .

Today I'm back on track. I don't have any where to go that I won't be cooking until next weekend.


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