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I am filling out my Swami Xpress. My dad has an aortic aneurysm that they are not treating other than observing it and keeping his BP under control. Would that be considered 'heart disease' in the family history part of Swami?

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Absolutely.
Heart disease includes "cardiovascular disease"!
The aorta is the largest artery we have. It ascends from the heart, from its left ventricle, and it's through this vessel that fresh blood, recently oxygenated by the lungs, travels to the rest of the body. The aortic valve opens into the ascending aorta, at the top of the heart, and then the aorta arches and turns downward to carry arterial blood down the center of the abdomen. The greater portion of the aorta is in fact located in the abdomen, and the majority of aortic aneurysms are found here.

If your dad's aortic aneurysm is under observation, it's likely for growth. This is because surgery must wait for the aneurysm to reach about 5 or 6cm in diameter. The average age for aortic aneurysm is quite a bit lower than your dad's -- more like your own. If he smokes, he should stop. Smokers are much more likely to have an abdominal aortic aneurysm to begin with. Your dad is probably going in for periodic MRIs to monitor the aneurysm's growth and to make sure he goes in for surgery as soon as it reaches the size the surgeon's said.

My best advice is to line up that surgeon and that hospital in advance, including whatever insurance he's going to need -- IF this describes his scenario.  


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Thanks so much sanj. His a thoracic aneurysm, and yes he goes in every 6 mo. for an MRI. I don't think he has any plans for surgery. He is 82, a non smoker, very active for his age. He splits all their firewood by hand, and cross country ski's every day with his dog. (I want to be like him, minus the aneurysm of course).

I figured I should include it in my Swami, but I wasn't sure if an aneurysm was considered 'disease'.

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let him read the cardio book from the health series.......
just for fun, you know


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i THINK THE IDEA OF SUPPORTING HIS HEALTH WITH THE CARDIO supplements would be a good idea....while he is 'waiting' for surgery ..  IS RIGHT.


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Insurance companies won't pay for surgery until it reaches a certain size, drives the docs nuts at the hospital I work at.

If he has an AA he likely has other cardiac disease.


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He has never been told that he has other heart issues. Now that I think about it, his brother had an abdominal aneurysm that was surgically repaired, making my question pretty dumb, due to the fact that there is probably a family link there. Duh!

I don't think the Dr.'s have any plans to operate unless it really grows. His being 82 might have something to do with it? They said he had an equal chance of dieing on the table during surgery or if it 'blew'. ????? Granted he lives in northern Wisconsin, so perhaps the Dr.s aren't as knowledgeable as near a bigger city but... They don't realize he is a very healthy, vibrant 82! I'd put his real 'age' at more like 65 the way he gardens, makes maple syrup, does woodworking etc. Sigh, can you tell I'm a Daddy's girl?

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Insurance companies won't pay for surgery until it reaches a certain size

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If he never had the testing then he would not know if he had other cardiac disease.

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Heart disease or cardiovascular diseases is the class of diseases that involve the heart or blood vessels (arteries and veins).[1] While the term technically refers to any disease that affects the cardiovascular system (as used in MeSH C14), it is usually used to refer to those related to atherosclerosis (arterial disease). These conditions have similar causes, mechanisms, and treatments.


But for you check the box for cardiac disease.


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!!!!!

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I HATE our health care system!



PT, you're responding to AW's post re: Insurance not covering surgical repair of aortic aneurysms under 5cm in diameter.

Let me help you to understand this state of affairs a bit better.
The mortality risk for surgical repair of aneurysm of the Ascending Aorta is - yikes! -    
10-15%,
though that might have improved of late. MEDICAL (as opposed to insurance) opinion is that thoracic aneurysms generally should be resected if equal to or greater than 6cm in diameter. At THAT point they become susceptible to rupture otherwise. If they do not reach this size, the rupture-risk is minimized. Certain etiologies of aneurysm, including that associated with Marfan's syndrome, indicate surgery at 5cm. If the doctor deems surgery necessary, it is possible to submit this recommendation to the insurance company and waive whatever normal restrictions there might be. I have a feeling this insurance stipulation rescues a number of patients who might otherwise have gone under the knife and never survived this very surgery, in the hands of some surgeons.

That said, I must strongly recommend that anyone with a thoracic aortic aneurysm seek out the very cream of thoracic surgeons in a major city, someone who has a long record of success with this operation. When my 50-year-old brother went in for this operation in New York, his surgeon had the top survival record for the procedure and assured him of such. The surgery was indicated at 5cm, and the surgeon told my sister-in-law, when the long operation was over in July 2005, that the aneurysm would otherwise very likely have (fatally) dissected before the new year. But, even so, before it reached 5cm it was not considered surgically treatable!

PT, maybe that reassures you re that insurance restriction.



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following his BTD recommendations will always be a good approach......
no matter his condition......educate him on the anti inflammatory effect of following an lectin free diet


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Hear hear!
And note: My brother's surgery is what led him to beg me for health/diet advice. I prescribed Dr. D'Adamo's cardiovascular program, and he recovered from that surgery (in his case also double coronary bypass) phenomenally. (His mother-in-law commented to me, "He looks as good as he did when he was dating my daughter!" --- 3 months post-surgery). His cardiologist was very impressed, too.
3 cheers for Dr. D!
Also: The cardiovascular book is a treasure-trove of information about the different routes to cardiovascular disease for each of the 4 blood types... I strongly recommend it.


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PT, maybe that reassures you re that insurance restriction.

Maybe.  But I still HATE our health care system.  With a white-hot burning passion.



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I still HATE our health care system.  With a white-hot burning passion.
Ditto!!  End of rant!



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Maybe.  But I still HATE our health care system.  With a white-hot burning passion.


What would you rather have???


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What would you rather have???

A nationalized, single-payor system like most of the rest of the world, thank you.  But that will never happen now.  



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never you mind it may happen, just give it time, not all elections go haywire.. I for one think that someday there will be intelligence that looks beyond the next cycle of greediness.    


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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I just found out my mother has a thorasic aortic aneurysm 4.something cm.     I need to get hold of the cardiac care book (for her - I keep at her about BTD and how great it is), and update my own swami.  She said her doctor did not recommend surgery at this point.  Quality of life issue.  She is also on blood pressure meds.  She doesn't play tennis anymore, but she still goes to Pilates and Yoga.  My mother keeps these things to herself and then they come out eventually.  Makes me mad!  
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What many of us fear about the single payer system is that we won't have choices. If we had the system, but had the freedom to pick our own dr. or if a rich person wanted to pay for our surgery, we wouldn't be able to. Read the small print.
I heard about a case in England where the person wasn't allowed some surgery even tho others offered to pay, so she went to another country.
This is what we fear.

In Chicago, there is a public hospital/health care system. It seems to do a reasonable job, but we still have the freedom to go elsewhere.  If the national care were to be like that, it would be acceptable.
If I were very rich, I would be glad to pay for many friends to get a workup at Dr. D's clinic. Yeah!
Pray that we can eventually go.  I am thinking of approaching the subject with Mr. T.
If it proves successful(which I know it will!), we can help our kids at least & another person I am thinking of who is in charity work who needs some help!
We're not rich, but health is a priority.
I got off topic, but learned a lot about the aneurisms. I heard about a case where the drs. "weren't doing anything." Now I understand better.


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Joel Wallach [Dead docs don't lie] links lack of copper with aneurism formation.
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Even a nationwide, single-payer health care system would still put out restrictions such as "we won't pay for surgury unless it meets these specific requirements." Those kinds of details of care wouldn't change under a single-payer system.

What would change is that everybody would have insurance, even if they just lost their job or are working two dead-end part time jobs instead of one full-time job.


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Joel Wallach [Dead docs don't lie] links lack of copper with aneurism formation.


That sounds interesting.  I'll keep that in mind.  I need to do some research.
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