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Somewhere else people were talking about this additive and saying it was listed in the GTD book or something.  I'm interested because Cream Cheese is a neutral in my swami and I have seen a brand use this gum.  Otherwise, I don't think it's possible for cream cheese to be good for me because they always use these different gums.  

And I guess that begs the question, how is cream cheese made and can you make it free of these bad things at home?


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carob is listed, and thus you might want to take that value for the gum.....


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It is listed in the GenoType book. Look for Locust Bean Gum under "Condiments and Additives."   It is a Superfood for explorers.


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strange it has been left out for swami....Bob already knows.....


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Well, I think the last time I looked at Cream Cheese, it had either locust bean gum or carob bean gum in it. At least this one organic kind.  But the explorer profile says to watch out for "gums" in general and to not get them.  


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I presume there is a reason why in the book locust bean gum is a superfood for explorers,
and other gums like guar gum and gum arabic are rated as avoids.                                                                                                                                                                                                                    


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That would be good, because like I said, I've seen some cream cheese that uses these gums.  So, it might be good to go for me, but clarification would be nice.  I may just try it and see.  But it's those silent avoids that you just never know.  It may not hurt you right away, but in the long run.  I suppose if I just don't eat it all the time.  Which I won't.  But for some reason I have been craving cream cheese.  I kid you not.


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I asked about this recently as well, for my B son. What I find incredibly frustrating is that the ingredients always list plain old "cream cheese" as the first ingredient, before adding any gums!

Since carob is neutral for all 3 GTs that Bs can be, and is unlisted in BTD, I'm comfortable feeding it to my son. But then he's generally healthy and is on the BTD to prevent future problems, not to heal current ones. I even let him have avoids every once in a while(to minimize the chance of him rebelling and abandoning healthy eating when he's older.) I'm a whole lot more strict with my own diet.


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You could substitute the logs of goat cheese?  
Cheese is often the one thing I "cheat" on.
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The one my wife picked up yesterday had locust bean gum.  I don't know what that is.  Didn't somebody mention it was the same thing?????  Anyways.

You know, if your children are healthy, who cares if they eat avoids?  Especially if they stay healthy.  I think if your system is working well, digesting your foods, you have good energy and aren't sorely overweight or underweight, it's all food.  I realize anyone can benefit from this diet, but my opinion is it's more for people that have problems to deal with.  It will just help.  But as far as I'm concerned, God put all this food on the earth for a reason.  For people to eat it.  The things that get me more are the impurities that get leaked into practically everything.  Even if you buy organic, if it gets shipped, that food is breathing in Carbon Monoxide.  It would best be grown, plucked and eaten in our own yards.  But even then there is stuff in the air, water and whatever.  All we can do is do our best.  I wouldn't feel bad about letting your kids eat some avoids.  I'm tougher on my son than my daughter, becasue he has more health problems.  But even with him, it's nearly impossible to follow the BTD for proteins because he's highly allergic to nuts and fish.  Is allergic to eggs and doesn't do well on soy.  That leaves meat.  The boy gets to eat things not on the BTD. (He's an A)  Of course lamb is the main red meat anyways, and if he's a nonnie, it would be fine.  We don't eat it all the time anyways. Otherwise chicken and turkey are his meats.  He loves both.  Oh I let him eat the pheasant also.  I think he needs it.  


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The one my wife picked up yesterday had locust bean gum.  I don't know what that is.  Didn't somebody mention it was the same thing?????    


Carob (or Locust) bean gum is made by separating the endosperm from the rest of a the carob bean. The separated endosperm is then crushed to form a powder.

This can be sold as is or additional steps may be applied to purify the gum.



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So, locust bean gum and carob bean gum are the same thing?


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So, locust bean gum and carob bean gum are the same thing?


Yes.


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SWEET.  Carob be berry berry good for me.  I don't know about this, but I guess I'll find out.  I've just been craving it.  I need to make cheesecake or something.


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Carob (or Locust) bean gum is made by separating the endosperm from the rest of a the carob bean. The separated endosperm is then crushed to form a powder. This can be sold as is or additional steps may be applied to purify the gum.
Reviving this thread, rather than starting another one, as while researching carob & guar gum (& something called tara gum) for an allergy site...I discovered that not only are carob & other seeds used for gums etc, high in galactose & mannose, the process for extraction for both tara & carob (not sure re guar etc) can be by hot sulphuric acid??!!
That may well explain why I seemed to react to carob after a while...That & the fact that caob is related to the soy plant... Sheesh - the things you learn...?!
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the process for extraction for both tara & carob (not sure re guar etc) can be by hot sulphuric acid??!!


Hot sulphuric acid???    And this is a food product?????    


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Huh.  But do you react to just carob powder?  I love carob powder.  Dr. D says it's a superfood for me.  So.....  I'm not so sure about the gum thingy though.  He does warn against any gums.  So....  But if I had to choose one, I think I'd choose carob bean gum over guar gum.  Or carageenan.  Maybe.

I haven't eaten cream cheese in a long while anyways, so it doesn't really matter to me right now.  Nothing I'm eating has it in it.  But it's good to know Goldie.  Thanks!


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Huh.  But do you react to just carob powder?  I love carob powder.  Dr. D says it's a superfood for me.  So.....  I'm not so sure about the gum thingy though.  He does warn against any gums.  So....  But if I had to choose one, I think I'd choose carob bean gum over guar gum.  Or carageenan But it's good to know Goldie. Thanks!
Goldie??? & I thought carageenan was an avoid for all types???

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That's what I'm saying.  I don't do carageenan, so carob bean gum might be a little bit better choice if I just had to have some cream cheese.  That's my point.  


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Huh.  But do you react to just carob powder?  I love carob powder.  Dr. D says it's a superfood for me.  So.....  I'm not so sure about the gum thingy though.  He does warn against any gums.  So....  But if I had to choose one, I think I'd choose carob bean gum over guar gum.  Or carageenan.  Maybe.
Aah I see...Your punctuation actually made it sound like you might consider carageenan...

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I see that now.  Oooops.  I meant I would choose carob bean gum over carageenan or guar gum.  Although I think guar gum is probably than carageenan.  I don't know.  All I know is that what's the point of them?  I've seen whipping cream with some kind of gum in it from an organic company, and then Dean's doesn't have anything at all except for cream.  I just don't understand it.  Now cream cheese might need something.  But I just get all irritated when I see foods with all this other junk in it, when I know there are companies that sell the same thing without all the junk.  It's just weird.


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They put junk (gums) in their products so they can water them down & still have them look presentable...
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Yeah, it must be like fillers to stretch the amount of real food in it.  Grrrrrr....


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Huh.  But do you react to just carob powder?
I realised I never really answered this question... What do you mean - do I just react to carob powder? As averse to other carob products or to the gums?

Answer is I was reacting to all...gums & carob - although now that I am no longer working & being exposed to those burning oils nearly every day, I react less to most things...so may have to retry the carob

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I just wondered if you ate carob powder by itself with reactions.  Or I mean put it on your fruit or something.  Or some people make tea out of it.  Or hot carob drink basically.  Anyways, it's a diamond for me, and I love it, but I know we're all different and can have reactions to things.


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