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LeoLemuelLau
Thursday, July 22, 2010, 6:47am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hi guys,

  It's been over a month since being on Swami, still breaking out... and not feeling entirely good despite avoiding toxins and neutrals, anyways one question: If dairy (cow's milk?) is in avoid, how come Mozzarella cheese ...
"Feta Cheese
Ghee, Clarified Butter ◊
Milk, Indian buffalo
Mozzarella Cheese, all types
Parmesan Cheese ◊
Pecorino Cheese ◊
Romano Cheese ◊"

Is in my superfoods and some are even diamond? Most of these cheeses are made out of cow's milk???

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Thursday, July 22, 2010, 7:00am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Ghee and clarified butter have butyrate which heals your guts and the milk protein and sugar that bothers many O's is removed.

I would imagine the cheeses have undergone some chemical change in the way they are made that makes the proteins and sugars easier for O's to digest but I don't know the science there.  I think Pecorino is made from sheep's milk?

...and Parmigiano Reggiano is a real hard cheese and has always been the easiest cheese for my insides to handle but I don't know why.

feta is traditionally made from goat's milk...you have to read the label to be sure though.

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ok, I just looked up why I can usually tolerate parmigiano reggiano....
Parmigiano-Reggiano can provide medicinal benefits as it is easy to digest and it works well with the human stomach's natural microflora. As it ages its milk sugar (lactose) concentrates and caramelizes and  makes Parmigiano-Reggiano more palatable for those who are lactose intolerant.

plus it has butyrate too
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I have some of the same choices as you on my Swami and I've done some research that I think makes sense (for my body anyway).  All the cheeses I buy (from your list above) in the UK are made either from buffalo milk or sheeps milk - both of these milk products usually sit 'better' with people who have trouble tolerating cows milk products.  Just my feeling on why they're okay  


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LeoLemuelLau
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Yeap their traditionally made with Buffalo milk but the truth is I can't find any of them commercially made from Buffalo milk, instead of using Buffalo, most of them are made from cow's milk.
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So if their made from Cow's milk, should I avoid them? That's my question
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I would avoid them if they are made with cow's milk.  

Mozzarella is the only cheese on my list that I would actually eat - I can't buy it shredded b/c it contains potato starch to keep it from sticking together.  I looked at blocks the other day and the expensive brands all had vinegar (an avoid) but the Kroger brand was the most basic cheese I found (with no avoids).  And String Cheese is an avoid (I'm guessing processing is different, since string cheese is mozzarella).


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So if their made from Cow's milk, should I avoid them? That's my question


No, there is no need to avoid them unless you know a specific food is not agreeing with you. Just go by your lists. If you are still not feeling as well as expected, you should consider a secretor test. That could make a significant difference in your foods.

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http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/typeindexer.htm      
is the latest updated information on foods.

When you look up the cheeses it doesn't specify they
can't be made from cows milk.  I'd just try one at a time,
give it a couple of days and see how it made me feel
before I would try another one.
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Been off working, so have just caught up on this thread.

I agree, if you can only find a cow's milk version, and lacking any other direction ie mozzarella, give it a try and see how your body responds to it.

Personally, any cow's milk cheese I have now causes bad phlegm/clogs up my sinuses/makes my asthma worse/causes me to get ear ache etc....

Your body will let you know what it doesn't like  


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Some ill feelings may be attributed to cleaning toxins from prior eating habits.  It may take some time to learn what specific pains (or other discomforts) mean...

I can tell the difference from a "hurting" hurt and a "healing" hurt...


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Okay... The answers are still depended on feelings? But isn't is logical that if a cheese is made from cow's milk, and cow's milk is in my avoid list, I should avoid it? I would also like to know the logic behind why I can consume cheese if cow's milk is in my avoid list... Thanks!
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It is the whey , lactose, casei or lactoalbumin that are in  the cheeses with different proportion and the ferments and mold (blue cheese) that make  different  values for the different  cheeses. With a strong casein allergy or intolerance I's avoid all cow dairy , looking for evidence I'd tolerate goat and sheep cheeses.


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The answers are still depended on feelings? But isn't is logical that if a cheese is made from cow's milk, and cow's milk is in my avoid list, I should avoid it? I would also like to know the logic behind why I can consume cheese if cow's milk is in my avoid list


http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/03/27/hows-and-whys?blog=24
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Okay... The answers are still depended on feelings? But isn't is logical that if a cheese is made from cow's milk, and cow's milk is in my avoid list, I should avoid it? I would also like to know the logic behind why I can consume cheese if cow's milk is in my avoid list... Thanks!

In addition to Lola's link, there is some logic to answer your question.  Compare the Typebase entries for Milk / Cow / Whole, Milk / Cow / Nonfat, and Butter, without salt.  These are all components of the same product, but the different parts have different ratings for some types...  The Typebase provides some basic insight as to why for each entry.  There are different parts of the same milk included in each cheese, but also mixed with other ingredients, etc. so each cheese has its own rating...  

I hope this provides you with a bit more understanding about the question posed.


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My SWAMI says no yogurt...it's a toxin...Goat's milk is a toxin...cow's milk is a toxin.  But many
cheeses from cow's milk are diamonds.

But SWAMI doesn't mention sheep's milk or yogurt from sheep's milk.  I saw sheep's milk yogurt in my health food store.

Does that mean it's neutral or not tested?  Or considered a toxin because it's yogurt.

And what about sheep's milk?  It's not on my SWAMI at all.



I am not great on cow's milk...I'm wondering if I'd be tolerant of sheep's milk.


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I've only been on this diet for a short time. And yes, go by how it feels. There is no way everything eaten can be tested at this point.

For what it's worth, I'm trying to eat what I don't have questions about and avoid all avoids has I can. Once I hit a point that I could reasonably say "This food is good and this is bad", by how my body reacts I'll test foods that I wasn't sure about by that time I hope I'll truly understand what my body is telling me. I'm feeling better for it.


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Different cheeses and dairy are made with different molds and beneficial bacteria. Kefir and yogurt have many probiotics that eat the sugar and make the quality of cow's milk more digestible for some blood types.  Some soft cheeses are beneficial for some genotypes and blood types and some hard mold cheeses are beneficial. If it's a superfood on your Swami I would eat it and trust that the food will help your personal body chemistry.
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I've assumed (wrong or not) that because any diamond/bennie cheeses I have on Swami are of the sheeps milk variety then, by virtue, sheeps milk yogurt is okay too.  This is a complete assumption on my part and probably wrong (before anyone comes in to tell me off) so I wouldn't recommend that others assume the same!  However, whilst I do not tolerate cows milk products at all well (the O curse) - this organic sheeps yogurt I've found (with no nasty additives) is absolutely fine with me.  It isn't a daily indulgence though, and I might only have a few tablespoons a week in total.


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slightly off topic, but I thought you would like to know...I needed some goat yoghurt for someone who can't use cow yoghurt, could not find the usual small tub, but found goat milk, and made a nice batch of yoghurt using cow milk yoghurt starter.Hope I can get away with that!



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And what about sheep's milk?  It's not on my SWAMI at all.

I am not great on cow's milk...I'm wondering if I'd be tolerant of sheep's milk.
If it's not on your swami at all, then does that make it a neutral??!!
My O daughter is (& always has been) very intolerant of cow's milk (from birth) but could eat sheep's cheese... Can't answer the question re sheep's milk, as we didn't try her on that 'cos I don't recall it being all that available back in the 90's
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One of the best ways to see if a food affects you negatively is to take it out of your diet completely for seven days. Don't remove any other foods, just the one you're testing. See how you do when you're off it. Then re-introduce the food and see how you feel after you eat it. You can do this with any foods you eat, not just dairy.


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slightly off topic, but I thought you would like to know...I needed some goat yoghurt for someone who can't use cow yoghurt, could not find the usual small tub, but found goat milk, and made a nice batch of yoghurt using cow milk yoghurt starter.Hope I can get away with that!


Me to cause that's what I've been doing.  


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Okay... The answers are still depended on feelings? But isn't is logical that if a cheese is made from cow's milk, and cow's milk is in my avoid list, I should avoid it? I would also like to know the logic behind why I can consume cheese if cow's milk is in my avoid list... Thanks!

Hi Leo. I'd like to tell you that I do consume all the kinds of cheese on the superfood/diamond list but only when they are made of goat milk, rarely of sheep milk. I can't eat cow milk products without immediately getting an allergic reaction. So cow's dairy products - off limit for me , while goat dairy products are wonderful for me .


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I only eat sheep's milk feta because it's less likely to contain the growth hormones they give to cows in the US.
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We (hunters and explorer all nonnie -) tried sheeps yogurt and cheeses for a few years, thought we were doing ok but as we got more into the dietry protocols discovered we were not doing ok so eliminated them and now stick to the mentioned cheeses and yogurt for our type and all feel better for it and really do not miss it. I the explorer have now introduced cows yogurt occassionally and do fine but none of us do well on cows mozzerella.I never have done well on any dairy and have always detested it. When starting out on the diet one is detoxing at a hugh rate so you may not do well on a food that is mentioned but a few months later when you have cleaned out a bit you do fine......
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