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Not sure what to state as far as Lactose intolerance:
There are certain cheeses allowed on my SWAMI Teacher Diet that I am "allergic to" - in other words - I may be reacting to the RENNET or the MOLD...
When I eat hard aged cheeses such as Provolone, Romano, or Blue Cheeses I get facial boils (super zits).  This does not happen with goat/sheep cheeses (including Manchego) or softer cheeses such as mozzarella, ricotta, Havarti, cheddar -

As I have white lines in my fingerprints I am assuming I have a leaky gut in this area and the substance is coming out through my skin!

I avoid all cow's milk products when possible because it causes mucous - I have overcome chronic sinus infections just by giving up cow's milk.  Is that a sign of intolerance?  I can stomach it just fine!  I can treat myself to occasional cow's milk cheeses or ice cream without major consequence (unless they have that dastardly rennet).

Am I correct to assume I am reacting to RENNET and am NOT lactose intolerant?

Thanks!


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It sounds like it is the rennet or mold to me.  I can’t have blue cheeses because of the mold, but mozzarella is my friend.  I can drink cow’s milk with no reaction, so I know I’m not lactose intolerant.


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you might be able to introduce those once your gut heals.....
write a food log to monitor your reactions


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We are still working on the SWAMI .......if a person has a sensitivity, that is a barely discernible reaction to dairy they ought to put intolerant?
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yes


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I do not understand 4thRabbit's post - is it a statement or a question?  Can you clarify what you are trying to say, please?  The "Yes" response to 4thRabbit is meaningless to me and I would really like to understand my situation better.  Thanks to all for responding.


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a question if she should check the lactose intolerance box when running swami.....


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So Lola, you would recommend that I consider myself lactose intolerant?  Because...?


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Welcome joyfulheart - lovely name!

Facial boils   - that's a symptom you can't ignore your body is trying to tell you something!

About rennet, do you react to animal based rennet or vegetarian rennet?  I only react to vegetarian rennet and wrote about it here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/.....num8  Have to carefully examine packaging and it annoys me when they just say rennet - well which one?!

Maybe you could try both types of rennet and see which one you react to?

I also get phlegm from dairy; that's an A trait that Dr D talks about in the books.  Reducing dairy had a huge effect on me too, chronic stuffiness in the nose, reflux, all went away.   Many other As have said the same thing.  Now having found I was a nonnie and avoiding wheat too that has totally cleared up the sinus problems!

Sounds like you're not lactose intolerant if you have no indigestion / bowel reaction to milk.

BTW as an A you can only be a Warrior, Teacher or Explorer, not a Nomad - only Bs or ABs can be those.

Explorers often have intolerance to moulds and fungi.  I wonder if your boils may be a reaction to those?  I don't think it's as simple as substances going through your gut to your skin (though some chemicals can go straight to the brain like wheat and dairy).  But the skin is a releaser of toxins and shows reactions.  So I wonder if you may be another for the Explorer camp?  Explorer and Teacher can have similar leg, torso, jaw and finger measurements.  Have you got your fingerprints sorted?


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if a person has a sensitivity, that is a barely discernible reaction to dairy they ought to put intolerant?


yes

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certain cheeses allowed on my SWAMI Teacher Diet that I am "allergic to" - in other words - I may be reacting to the RENNET or the MOLD.


ok, I take that to mean l. intolerant.....
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you would recommend that I consider myself lactose intolerant?

yes, for now......until you resolve the problem, following your diet and healing your gut

rerun swami once that is resolved if you consider necessary.
a food log might be a handy tool to implement.



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G'Day, Symbi!
FYI - I am currently reading Patrick White and am probably the biggest GR fan in the USA.  

Yes - the fingerprints are sorted out - majority ulnar loops, no whorls, indexes & pinkies different, UL/Arch - both arches on left hand.  (SWAMI reading palms?)

I tried the Fat Resistance Diet by Dr. Galland which emphasizes combating leptin resistance substances in the diet.  I'm trying to kill 2 birds with one stone - losing weight and decreasing inflammation in my body (I'm getting stiffness & pain in my hands, esp. mornings).  Surprisingly, he's a big proponent of tomatoes.  

Anyway, I've been on the BTD for 3 weeks and am currently switching over to SWAMI-ized GTD.  I find if I avoid animal protein for dinner I do not have stiffness in my hands in the morning.  I also find my skin is clearing up - I have been plagued by whiteheads forever.  Right now my pores are as small as they have ever been.  (I'm 46).  Makes me think it was an overload of animal protein.

My husband, who thrives on meats, unwittingly drove me to this diet.  As much as we enjoy to cook and share a meal together, I cannot tolerate all the animal protein.  This diet seems to be striking the right balance for me - and if it will help me to LOSE WEIGHT, that would be a BEAUTIFUL thing!  I have a stubborn 20 lbs that just won't budge.  

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm reacting to animal rennet - but you are right - labels do not disclose the kind of rennet.    I will definitely try to find each type and do a dietary test.  My brother suggests eating something called Junket which is basically a package of rennet and sugar that when added to milk becomes like a pudding.        No good if I don't know which type it is.  Thanks for the advice, mate!  Aren't you a cluey cobber!  

Lola - I re-ran my SWAMI for Lactose Intolerance and absolutely nothing changed.  I wonder if LI may be tied to SS - which I have not indicated yet.  I should be getting my kit tomorrow.


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great! keep us posted on results of your test


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No worries mate!  You speak good strine.

Junket sounds like the first four letters of it's name (cos of the sugar) junk!  

The big reaction you have is what made me wonder if you're an Explorer, also the possible mould and fungi problem which I hope you can confirm.  Now you say non-matching fingerprints on the index fingers - that's another explorer sign.  But SWAMI Express knows all (so long as we put the right information in!).  

I also have ulna loop arches on the left index and middle fingers.  That's really rare! I put them in SWAMI as combinations because I can't say they're arches or loops.  

If you do have a problem with mould I think you should tick the environmental sensitivities box.  You definitely are sensitive to something!

For acne which I still get too, I use hydrogen peroxide 3% as a toner after cleansing.  Followed by moisturiser.  If I don't use moisturiser my skin makes too much oil to compensate!  Use non-fragranced cleanser and moisturiser too.

Cheers!


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As I remember it rennet comes from the inside of the pigs gut. You could get it to start cheese. It's kind of hard to find now. Where my WH gets his wine supplies has the stuff for making cheese. If you can find a store that sells that kind of thing you might be able to get both kinds to test with.


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