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Ok so I had a Koji drink (rice turned into a sugerish thing) yesterday. It seemed to of put my digestion to a halt much like consuming a suger+wheat anything will. I can handle some sugar separate but due to the other affects I avoid it.

Today I looked at SWAMI and noticed if I check bowl issues it gives lamb as beneficial as opposed to neutral. I decided to eat a bunch of lamb today because while eating more rice has made muscle return and digestion is somewhat pleasant, something seemed to be missing that was there when I was eating just meat and veggies. After eating a bunch of lamb (I ate it with nothing else because I was just enjoying it so much after I put the first chunk in my mouth) I went to the bathroom several times. It appears like a lot of stuff in my intestines was getting cleared out. Aside from lamb I had magnesium which has helped flow a lot (I think a lot of my system was somewhat unresponsive without it), and a bunch of Zante Currants. I did know I should of went to the bathroom but really did not today until I ate the lamb.

What I am trying to figure out is what in the lamb is doing so much for me? What other sources are there of this? I could just eat 5/8th lb all the time but the cost is a lot and there are other things out there to eat.

This seems to be in large part my on going problem... certain sugars make my digestion way out of wack, and then carbohydrates do not even make it into my system or something. When I manage to get some flow going and eat the carbohydrates my muscles come back but I am very prone to things slowing down again especially if I eat sugar combined with complex carbohydrates. (rice chips do it eventually if I over do it) SWAMI suggestions Parmesan but hard cheeses sometimes make a similar thing happen but it can take a day or more before the release happens. It seems to be like something about starving or purging candida? I am not sure. In general no cheese has been best cheese to date.

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DOS, I have very similar issues but I find dairy is my stabilizer...it's THE food that puts my digestion
back to normal and it's carbs and high fiber grains that upset my gut.  Something about the
animal fat?  CLA?  I eat only grass fed raw cheese and tried staying off it for 2 weeks while going
through some allergy issues.  My digestion was totally "off" for the whole 2 weeks.  Added back the
dairy and all is well.  I'm thinking it's a fat thing.  Because neither lamb nor milk products have
fiber.  So fiber isn't the answer for good digestion.  And I too wondered whether sugars set off
a candida issue or perhaps something else.  There are days where I'm fine on protein, beans,
vegetables, nuts, seeds, very little fruit, hardly any grains and no added sugars.  Other days I
eat more fruit, baked goods using GF grains, allowed sweeteners and I'm a bloated gassy
mess.

And like you, certain sugars make my digestion go out of whack but often it's ones I'm
allowed to eat, like agave.

Don't quite understand the scientific explanation of the animal fat being good for us,  but I totally agree with your findings.  I don't get lamb on my SWAMI (I think it's a black dot), but
I relate to what you're talking about.


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When I am beating candida and then somehow screw it up... right before screwing it up my stuff looks real undigested and that is when any form of wet cheese or probably yogurt will stabilize it (I never tested yogurt). However wet cheeses are like a drug in my system that locks up my muscles so I avoid them. I have been on Polyflora A for awhile.

Hard cheese has made me feel good once upon a time. It was when all I had to eat was pretty much rice cakes and olive oil. I might be able to handle it now that my intestines move more regularly due to magnesium I think. I literally think they were sort of shut down for a long time or most of my life. I have always been starving for carbohydrates to some degree.

I just know the more I can eat and flow the better. If I am an explorer (if I am an mesomorph or anything after, but I could be an ecto-mesomorph and there for teacher, I am certainly not a small guy but not really heavily muscled either) the current carbohydrate amounts are too low to maintain myself but that is due to low absorption for sure.
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DOS, which diet are you following?

You're wheat and casein intolerant.  I'm gluten and casein intolerant but there is casein in the Teacher
cheeses and those are the very cheeses that are helping my gut. I can see a huge difference between
eating a meal with grains vs. a meal with the right cheese.  Lots of undigested material shows up in
my stool from grains and seeds...but that doesn't happen when I eat dairy. What dairy foods do
you eat?

Have you ever been diagnosed with malabsorption?  That was my diagnosis after years and years
of gluten damage.  Are you eating gluten grains?  That might be your problem.

These are my beneficial and diamond dairy foods. I'm the best on gouda, for some reason.
Maybe because it's raw, organic, grass fed. But cheese stabilizes my gut. No gas, no bloating..
just calm digestion.

Feta Cheese
Ghee, Clarified Butter
Gorgonzola Cheese
Gouda Cheese ◊
Manchego Cheese ◊
Muenster Cheese ◊
Parmesan Cheese ◊
Pecorino Cheese ◊
Provolone Cheese
Romano Cheese ◊

My SWAMI says this about cheese.

Cheeses contain substantial amounts of protein, but also contain milk sugars and saturated fats. In general, try to avoid dairy products that use carrageenan, guar gum or agar-agar as thickeners. Although milk itself is often considered part of the protein spectrum of the human diet, one could easily make a strong case for it as a source of carbohydrate (5% of milk is composed of the sugar lactose) or fat (between 3 and 4% of whole milk is fat; the vast majority being saturated, but with a significant monounsaturated fraction as well.)

These dairy choices are designed to correct digestive imbalance by restricting the carbohydrates available to intestinal bacteria and yeast. Only the carbohydrates that are well absorbed are included, so that intestinal bacteria have nothing to feed on. This helps to correct the bacterial overgrowth and the related mucus and toxin production.


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I have been doing Explorer via SWAMI because I might be a Mesomorph... I have the wrist circumference for it. But I got a lot of sinewy features under the fat. I am also much smaller in muscle than my Explorer side of the family. I am still 6'2" and 207lbs currently. However my Grandpa is like 5'8" and weights 220lbs and has since high school and he has big muscles. He measures Teacher but he is straight up explorer in every respect written about them. "The sum is greater than" thing...

If I am an ecto-mesomorph I am a Teacher. I dwarf a lot of people but all the giant endomorph and meso-endomorph football players, my brother, my dad, dwarf me.

I actually need to make it gluten intolerant because it is obvious... Beer can make me a total nightmare mentally, and sprouted bread with gluten in it gets to me as well. They both can set off some anger and crying. Plus they slow down digestion a lot if not stop it.

Cheese wise I eat NOTHING right now. The reason is every wet cheese (whey based) locks up my muscles/tendons. It tightens my whole body. The hard cheese I have been avoiding because they seem to stop my digestion but that may have been from them killing the candida. Whenever the candida is dieing off a lot it seems to put up a fight and cause a stop that eventually all goes at once. Then I feel good. However without the magnesium etc my elimination was often small and things moved real poorly. Now I have regular enough movement that I can eat enough carbohydrates that all my stomach muscle returned which also helps digestion. I fall apart and my brain goes nuts thinking too much whenever I am low on the carbohydrates but they did make me feel horrible because my digestion was not moving well until the magnesium.


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I too need a lot of magnesium.  Just taking a calcium supplement locks up my muscles and binds up
my gut..  I can barely walk from a ratio of more calcium to magnesium.  I get my calcium from foods and magnesium I take as a supplement.

If you think you're gluten intolerant, you will need to make a concerted effort to acknowledge gluten
foods as toxic to your body and do whatever you can to completely avoid foods that contain it.

Given you're doing the Explorer diet without being certain you ARE an Explorer might be the reason
you haven't really seen great progress in healing your gut.  The fact that you're not eating cheese,
IF you turned out to be a Teacher, it's possible the cheeses will be the very foods that heal you.
This is what I've observed with my SWAMI.

Any way you could save up a little $$$ at a time...and save enough money to get a SWAMI done?
Honestly, the right diet changes everything.  I wasted 18 months on the Warrior diet and felt horrible the entire time.  It took me quite awhile to detox enough to tolerate the Teacher cheese.
Still have a long way to go to tolerating the entire diet perfectly....

Do you have many whorls on your fingerprints? Can you see your tendons on your wrists? I
wouldn't get overly invested in typing the mesomorph or ecto-mesomorph thing to guess your
genotype...If you filled out a SWAMI questionnaire, you'd see how much information this processes
before typing you.

And one more question.  Do you know for sure you have candida?  Is this something you've
assumed based on a few symptoms?  We all have bad bacteria in our guts...and with enough good
bacteria and foods not feeding the bad, you can heal your body.

I've got 43 years on you...If I can feel that I've made progress on the right diet, I think you can too.

SWAMI, SWAMI, SWAMI...otherwise, you're just guessing~  


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God... I have SWAMI and no one seems to understand that. I keep getting told to get it.

I eat zero gluten.

Depending on what I enter it changes from Explorer to Teacher. I have nothing but ulnar loops. Yeah it is easy to see tendons. Although I see two on one side and one on the other. They might be getting more outlined now that maybe I am losing some fat.

I have tested positive for candida via the spit test and I get all sorts of weird things going on like ABNoway. I have had every symptom. Biotin use to knock me out like I had to sleep uncontrollably, but my body could not keep the candida back because I was weak, my body was muscles etc when I tried it. There is no questions I have huge digestion problems and that they are sugar and complex carbohydrate related.
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DOS,
It can take quite some time to fix severe digestive problems...

I haven't gotten SWAMI, so don't know all of the choices, but it sounds like you need to put the information in to the best of your ability and allow the diet to work for you.  

It is quite possible that there will be days when you are detoxing, healing, etc. where you will have less energy for other things.  There will be other days when you are healing less and have more energy, so think you are doing better, but the body is taking a break from the healing process...  Today's response from the body doesn't have to be about just the food choices for today or yesterday...  It just isn't that simple.


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God... I have SWAMI and no one seems to understand that. I keep getting told to get it.

I eat zero gluten.

Depending on what I enter it changes from Explorer to Teacher. I have nothing but ulnar loops. Yeah it is easy to see tendons. Although I see two on one side and one on the other. They might be getting more outlined now that maybe I am losing some fat.

I have tested positive for candida via the spit test and I get all sorts of weird things going on like ABNoway. I have had every symptom. Biotin use to knock me out like I had to sleep uncontrollably, but my body could not keep the candida back because I was weak, my body was muscles etc when I tried it. There is no questions I have huge digestion problems and that they are sugar and complex carbohydrate related.


Sorry, sorry, sorry....didn't know your history.  Didn't realize you were having issues with your
SWAMI changing. Didn't realize you even had a SWAMI.

What are you entering that alters your SWAMI to change back and forth from Teacher to Explorer?











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I do put information in as best as possible. I just have never been at proper weight to know what my body looks like and how much muscle I do or do not have, or how much fat. Mesomorph is what wrist indicates but it is hard to tell. Diet wise I seem to respond to some aspects of a Teacher, but the animal protein part makes no sense to me.

It seems typical for me to have fast reactions to what I eat. If I do not eat I do not have any reactions.
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If I do not eat I do not have any reactions.

Doesn't really seem like a long-term solution, however...  

The body needs fuel to detox and heal, also...


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Yeah I noticed it does... like I said the more I can eat without a bad reaction the better I am.
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Here's a stab in the dark, what if it's your adrenals that are a problem?  DoS?  They need cholesterol to make their hormones which dairy and meat will provide, salt (sodium), also vitamin C, B5 and B Vitamins.  Sugar will overtax them and leave them fatigued too.  You get kidney pains I remember reading on here somewhere.  I get those too and it's actually my adrenals.  At the same time do you get dizzy and crave salt?  as I do.  

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Maybe it is yeast or bacterial overgrowth as well, if you're having a systemic infection then your immune system and adrenals are taxed (as well as stress in your life?).  I thought you said somewhere else that the cheeses were agreeing with you, you should keep eating them.  Isn't that one big difference between explorer and teacher, the tolerance for bacterially made cheeses.  How are you with blue cheese?  I hate it with a vengeance myself (Explorer).

It's easy to mixup SWAMI and SWAMI Xpress as everyone has done on this thread and I do myself just say SWAMI sometimes.  SWAMI is done with a qualified practitioner and SWAMI Xpress at home where there is probability of measurement error.  SWAMI would be great for you, a practitioner measuring you would be great since you've had troubles by yourself.  It's understandable since you don't seem to identify strongly with any one genotype.  Everyone has had problems measuring and many have changed genotypes many times.

Here's a list of symptoms of adrenal fatigue.  
http://www.digitalnaturopath.com/cond/C17649.html
See if you can see yourself.  Man it rings bells with me, I even have the low IgM and low sodium often.  Am going to have a short synacthen test (ACTH test) soon.   Licorice root tea is really helping.  If you have this, tick chronic fatigue in SWAMI Express.

Love the term bowl issues - never heard that, good one.  


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Oh I am sure my adrenals are taxed and have been to some degree. I took ARA6 for a month and it may of helped but I am certain I was not getting enough carbohydrates into my system.

Wet cheeses can help give me regular digestion but I think due to the probiotics. They screw me up with the muscle/tendon problems real bad some times for days after having a normal serving or two. Blue cheeses typically do not bother me at all with the exception of "blue cheese" itself which gives bad gas. They do however seem to do odd things to my digestion at times, but it might be that candida "hold out" and release which seems to be a good thing it just makes me irritable.

There are no SWAMI GenoType practitioners in the area, or well any practitioners of BTD/GTD.

I enjoy licorice root tea but I had some stinging nettle and it helped kill off some candida (I sort of fell asleep in a lecture and have been much cheerier since then). Now I need to find a source to buy it so I can use my own container and pay less than $.75 a bag, and have it at home.

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I only read this part..
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I could just eat 5/8th lb all the time but the cost is a lot and there are other things out there to eat.


whenever I change from one diet style ALL BTD/GENO I still have to always go back to eating enough (lots) of beneficials because if I don't, then I get scared and might eat other foods.. after a  (long) while my portions level out and then the cost is not as bad.. and i learn more.

Just always remember the junkisch foods we used to eat cost a lot too and was doing damage to boot.. this is your life live it best we can.. it's not the dress rehearsel for what comes after..this Live is it!!!! Save money on other things,, happy eating .


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I have similar issues with gluten/casein/yeast. Also feel adrenals were impacted, but I suspect they were affected since I was young and just did not know it, always had issues of being dizzy, low blood pressure etc. This has improved.  I recently started going to a person who does both Acupuncture. She is Chinese and suggests Chinese health practices and makes food suggestions.  She told me while bowel movements are not working well to use two different probiotics one in a.m. and one in evening.  Seems body gets immune to one type.  Also to stay away from gluten/dairy/sugar which I was most of the time. Eat eggs, poached being best. Lots of green veg's. Make tea with dandelion leaves and ginger, which actually is very nice first thing in the a.m.   Anyway with the issues my liver and kidneys had a lot of toxins which I knew from previous doctors. So to give my liver a break she had me reduce my supplements which was a lot. I'm still doing magnesium. Using small amounts of fresh papaya for digestion of food. I used to eat a lot of rice which seemed to work well, but I've switched to whole grain quinoa/millet. On Swami I seem to be borderline Explorer/Teacher depending on whether I think I'm a slight taster or super taster, and sensitive to caffeine, still not sure about those.  In running the swami report the food groups seem to come out very similar, and I'm trying to follow as close as I can. Also have a few unreadable finger prints to add to confusion.  Improving my health has been and continues to be a journey!


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to use two different probiotics


what type of probiotics?

http://www.4yourtype.com/probiotic.asp

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I'm using Dr. D's for A blood type.  And the other one is Kyo-Dophilus. I use one in the a.m. and other p.m.


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I am not so sure I have any problems with yeast at all. Caesin I am not sold on either, but for sure any wet cheese (non-blue/aged) gives me a lot of problems even if the probiotics are useful. I barely like consuming yogurt for the same reason. Perhaps I will get better.

I feel pretty convinced that I am an ecto-mesomorph now. I guess quiet a bit of fat has left my calf area of my legs and they are pretty darn small now but retain all their normal muscle.

Eating a lot continues to be doing some good I think. My digestion is getting better and I have been having some Parmesan.

I will try not taking any extra magnesium today and see if it goes well.

Lin

What is your response to testing papers like? If you are simple suspect it may mean nothing. I figured that I was a taster but I am not. I think some things are bitter for sure. However for example raw acorns are not at all and everyone I know who is at least a taster can taste them. They taste bland to me.
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On the casein I've noticed while it is an avoid for me that I maybe okay with the dry cheese like pecorino/parmesean. Since I stopped cow's milk a postnasal drip and annual spring hayfever have pratically gone. Soy and almond milk work well for me.

Glad to hear your digestion is doing better.  Can you eat ghee that is supposed to be helpful for repairing intestines.

DOS: I definitely can taste the paper test, and sometimes stronger than others.  But based on what I read about others "strong reactions" I'm not at that end of the scale. So I'm using slight taster.


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Well I have been eating Parmesan regularly. I have had regular eliminations, or at least a little more frequent. That is nice. However it all looks undigested most of the time. It is typically a bit extra soft too. I have been eating a fair amount of carbohydrates regularly because I feel normal if I intake them.

I have been taking the Polyflora A. I am thinking to try Yogurt but feel a little confused. In the past when I got to the point of bad digestion I got scared and ran to the Explorer diet. The wet cheeses made my digestion look normal real fast for a little while then things would go bad again. Perhaps I could eat them if I take magnesium. Today I did notice that if I eat too much Parmesan I need a magnesium supplement or I get tight muscles.

I am ever confused. At least I have been able to do more homework lately, more regular moods, and some mental stuff. However I want lose weight.
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Have you ever tried going dairy(Cow's) free for a week or two to see how you feel?


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Yes I have. I think it is good to be free of it but my digestion is more than questionable I think. I get lots of other weird affects too. The only way to not have the issue is eat lots of meat and vegetables which seems to eventually lead to bad things.
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Just sharing more with you in case it helps. I kept changing my diet to deal with first, Candida, I healed a bit but still kept getting bloating and other issues. Then found I had gluten/dairy and a bunch of other food sensitivites, focussed on that and at times assumed candida was okay.Then found out adrenal issue.  Then lab tests showed liver labs were in range but high.And lastly learned I had liver/gallbaldder issues, with pain in lower right rib area.   Sandra Cabot "The Liver Doctor" book seems to cover just about all of this and says you have to clean the toxins out of your liver no matter what is wrong with you.  That the liver is basically the route of good health.  A lot of what she says makes sense to me now after this long journey with my health.  The Chinese Acupuncturist I'm going to has confirmed the liver/gall bladder issue.  Sandra Cabot has a website, you can google if you are interested.  Since I have been working on liver/gallblalddder issues and avoiding gluten/dairy/sugar/ yeast bread, I feel like I am making progress. I am a "Teacher" and I am eating lots of the suggested food but avoid the gluten/dairy group. I was having a struggle with thinking I was Explorer for a while, but when I compared the food lists there wasn't much difference and settled on Teacher after deciding I 'm a slight taster, don't have that bitter reaction I read about. Also I have a lot of loop finger prints but that also did not affect me being Teacher or Explorer.  And  I feel like I have gone in many circles, partly because I wanted to have "one thing" to focus on and was chasing my tail working on different things.  If you havent' done so, you might want to try and get your Doctor to do a full check up with lab tests to see if any clues can be found.  Good luck!


Gluten/Casein and Yeast sensitivity.
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I am thinking to try Yogurt but feel a little confused. In the past when I got to the point of bad digestion I got scared and ran to the Explorer diet.

How long have you stayed on one diet?  The way I read the book, GTD takes 3 to 6 months for the body to reset.  If you keep switching diets, how are you ever going to allow the reset to complete successfully!



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