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Robyn Mc
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Posted previously with perimenopausal symptoms.  However, I just re-ran my SWAMI and decided to check the Thyroid History box as my mother was diagnosed with a low thyroid when I was a teen.  

Totally lost bladderwrack, which Deflect contains and wondering if perhaps that might be the cause of some of my problems, as I had been taking Deflect and stopped taking it this past week on a hunch to see if it makes difference (prior to re-running SWAMI).  

However, I've been reading through all the threads on this subject and now I am totally confused.  I do believe my mother was not on thyroid meds during the last ten years or so of her life and suspect her low thyroid may have been temporary and drug-induced.  She was on many drugs throughout her life, including drugs known to affect thyroid.  

So, I am unclear as to whether or not I should check that box or uncheck it.  It's a big difference with bladderwrack being in so many NAP products.  I'd like to get that right.  None of my mother's siblings have a thyroid issue that I know of.  Nor, my G-mother.  

Now, my thyroid has been checked and according to my doc, well within normal range.  However, I have had fibromyalgia symptoms, achy joints (early arthritis like), lots of allergies, IBS, etc...mostly resolved with BTD diet.  Super cold hands and feet most of my life and recently re-experiencing the crazy hot-flashes, night-sweats, itching, which may or may not be attributed to thyroid--could just be hormonal or goodness-knows-what-else!  However, these things had resolved on the diet until recently.  

Very confused as to whether or not I should lose the Deflect and all products containing bladderwrack or not--given the vagueness of my mother's issues.  For now, I have stopped taking it over the past several days and am in "wait and see" mode.  It does look like from the threads that it should not be taken by those with serious thyroid issues...but the rest of us???  Confused!  

Also, concerned because almost all my Type O vitamins contain either some kind of kelp or bladderwrack!  


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Now, my thyroid has been checked and according to my doc, well within normal range.  However, I have had fibromyalgia symptoms, achy joints (early arthritis like), lots of allergies, IBS, etc...mostly resolved with BTD diet.  Super cold hands and feet most of my life and recently re-experiencing the crazy hot-flashes, night-sweats, itching, which may or may not be attributed to thyroid--could just be hormonal or goodness-knows-what-else!  However, these things had resolved on the diet until recently.

When I first started BTD, many of my symptoms reduced for quite a while, then started to increase again.  The difference, the body is removing "junk" that has been stored for many years and healing those areas.  My practitioner stated that during the in-between time, the body was healing internal systems to be able to handle the "junk" it is now removing.  I don't know if this is the same for you...


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When I first started BTD, many of my symptoms reduced for quite a while, then started to increase again.  The difference, the body is removing "junk" that has been stored for many years and healing those areas.  My practitioner stated that during the in-between time, the body was healing internal systems to be able to handle the "junk" it is now removing.  I don't know if this is the same for you...


Thanks for that, ABJoe!  I've been freaking out a bit--but that does make perfect sense.  I am also studying classical homeopathy right now, and your explanation would fall into line with that.  



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Thanks for that, ABJoe!  I've been freaking out a bit--but that does make perfect sense.  I am also studying classical homeopathy right now, and your explanation would fall into line with that.  

If someone else can be helped from the mountain I'm climbing, so much the better.  

A major part of the treatment for me has been homeopathy.  We have also used nutraceuticals for specific organ or system healing...  I'm very fortunate to have this practitioner to aid my healing.  I'm also helping her to learn how to aid others dealing with major detox symptoms...      


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If someone else can be helped from the mountain I'm climbing, so much the better.  

A major part of the treatment for me has been homeopathy.  We have also used nutraceuticals for specific organ or system healing...  I'm very fortunate to have this practitioner to aid my healing.  I'm also helping her to learn how to aid others dealing with major detox symptoms...      


Excellent.  So...would you check or uncheck the thyroid box?  I'm leaning in the uncheck direction because my mum's symptoms were temporary and probably drug induced AND there has been no notable problem with mine.  

On the classical homeopathy, I'm taking an on-line course--started out to help with my animals...but I think it'll also end up helping me.  I am hoping to get enough out of the class to treat/dose myself and dogs.  If not, I will be taking more advanced classes...very interesting stuff and makes the whole world make sense to me!    


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Hi Robyn,

Saw a HRT doctor two years ago, a blood test showed my thyroid in the normal range but she prescribed a low dose of Armour Thyroid (1/2 gr) anyway.  I remember her feeling my hands and feet.  It helped with my energy level and well being.  I'm still on it with my current HRT/GYN doctor.  I don't have the perimenopause symptoms you have, mine are crazy mood swings and, a few times a year, depression.  I did have very slight heat flashes last month but that only lasted a few days, nothing to complain about.

Prior to seeing that doc 2 years ago, I thought I had a thyroid issue and would take bladderwrack and eat seaweed.  Didn't seem to help?!

I think I checked the "Thyroid History" box on my SWAMI.  Bladderwrack and all sorts of sea vegetables are diamond foods for me.

Could an Endocrinologist be someone to see??

Thanks for posting about your journey, I'm learning much  


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I think I checked the "Thyroid History" box on my SWAMI.  Bladderwrack and all sorts of sea vegetables are diamond foods for me.


You might re-check your SWAMI.  I just double checked and with the box UN-checked sea veggies ARE diamond foods in my Swami.  If I go back and check the family history of "thyroid" disease, they become avoids.  If you are an O, I am thinking it would be the same because the "thyroid history" box seems to be the determining factor, here.  

Still waiting for someone more knowledgeable to weigh in for clarification.  I read through the threads on this subject and came away a bit confused.  It seems that it may only apply to people who have had severe thyroid issues...not sure about that.  It also may depend on the type of bladderwrack.  


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This is going to confuse the issue further, but here's my experience.  When I take phytocal, polyvite O, they seem to give me palpitations, body/joint aches, reflux & hot flashes.  I think they caused my thyroid to run slightly hyper because the reactions I got are symptoms of hyperthyroid.  I'm going to give them a go again in about a month just in case it was something else.
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This is going to confuse the issue further, but here's my experience.  When I take phytocal, polyvite O, they seem to give me palpitations, body/joint aches, reflux & hot flashes.  I think they caused my thyroid to run slightly hyper because the reactions I got are symptoms of hyperthyroid.  I'm going to give them a go again in about a month just in case it was something else.


Thanks for sharing!  Every little bit helps.   I get palpitatons, too...but it's always been hormonal with me, we think--thyroid has checked out.  

Keep us posted when you try it again.  I really think that sometimes as the body heals these things resolve and something we think was bothering us wasn't necessarily the culprit--but maybe a catalyst because of an imbalance.  


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follow the supplement protocol swami advises now with the change....


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follow the supplement protocol swami advises now with the change....


Lola, do you think that checking the 'thyroid history' box is actually warranted given that my mother's thyroid issue appears to have been temporary and likely drug induced?  I didn't think of that until I started reading thru the threads on the subject.  I haven't had a measurable thyroid issue--according to my doc, my levels have been well within normal range.

I suppose I could just try the diet both ways and see how I do...I have stopped the Deflect for the time being to see if the night-sweats/palpitations subside.  Also, I believe there are some sea veggies in several of the NAP formulations?





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in the family hx section, yes


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Most recent report:  The brain fog has completely lifted.  Other symptoms mostly gone.  Still heating up a little bit at 3:30 a.m. but not enough to really bother.  I'm just aware of it.  Not sure if this is just part of the cycle of things with the hormones or what.  

The weirdest thing (gentlemen, avert your eyes)...still itchy left breast.  Sometimes left ear.  I've had an itchy left toe, and ear thing in the past.  The breast thing is new.  The itching seems to have worked it's way out from being internal (like an allergy thing) to topical, more of a skin thing.  Also, my face broke out this week on left side!  

Now I am left wondering if this is a yeast thing, a hormonal thing, a detox thing or wrong supplement thing.  Or maybe all of the above.  Perhaps my body is just going through a detox/re-balancing act.  I haven't had the Deflect now for probably 10 days...it does have bladderwrack which is now an avoid on my Swami.

Still wondering if anyone knows if there is enough bladderwrack in the Deflect to really be an avoid for me--or if it should be ok.  I won't be taking it until I hear otherwise.  Also Polivite O contains kelp and that is now also an avoid on my SWAMI.  Haven't been taking that either.  I think my Phytocal O may also contain a small amount of kelp...what to do?  

Right now, I am only taking Polyflora O, cod-liver oil and occasional Attentia if I feel foggy--which I haven't been the last few days.  Also, one Fem-balance with dinner.  I have re-introduced shrimp which became a beneficial food on my Swami--it had been an avoid prior to checking the "family history of thyroid disease" in my Swami.  Happy to report that lobster is now a beneficial food, too...I have ALWAYS loved it.  

Anyone here with the supplement knowledge, please feel free to chime in!  I suppose I could take the long road and figure it out by introducing one supp at a time for a week and see how I do...but any advice would be welcome, here.  


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trial and error is all I can advice....
specially if swami has put those in the top supplement suggestions for you

your reactions might be allergic, and only you can find out by introducing these gradually


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I would still consider a sensitive liver--that can lead to itchy skin. Perhaps do some remeasuring and check your fingerprints carefully. Maybe you're an Explorer? You do mention taking Tylenol. Did you happen to stop taking that? Tylenol is particularly hard of the liver; be sure to avoid drinking alcohol if you use it.

Perhaps you have just overwhelmed your system with too many supplements and you are going through a detox.
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Yes, allergic issues or over-supplementation.  Think it might also potentially be getting rid of the HRT (estradiol) in my system after discontinuing.  My fingerprints came out very heavily in the "Hunter" category...I'm over 50% Hunter.  The supps are at the BOTTOM Of the list--the GT supplements show up first.  I will also note here, however, that I had only recently begun to take the full "recommended" dose.  

Happily, I do NOT drink alcohol and took the Tylenol sparingly--never max daily doses.  However, I have noticed over the past few years that I am super-sensitive to any meds, be they OTC or prescribed.  Tylenol and Motrin can both make me very sleepy.  As can willow-bark tea.  It varies--sometimes they affect me like that--other times not.  

In any case, the itching is gradually subsiding--as is the bitter taste and the right side pain is gone--though I have a small, occasional ache now on what I believe to be the left ovary.   I've switched to a different pain med (methocarbomal-Roboxin), which I hope is better than Tylenol.  As I understand it, it doesn't work in/through the liver--though I understand that all things must be filtered by the liver.  None of the pain meds are good, but I am recovering from a back injury and pain meds are sometimes a requirement.  However, I do try to minimized dosages and only take them when it's absolutely required.  

I will continue to monitor how I am feeling and try re-introducing one supp at a time in reduced dose and very slowly, as I do believer there is some benefit to be derived from them.  


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Hi Robyn,
It sounds like you are working hard at being healthy. Having back pain a big challenge. I can understand that you need to find things to help with that.

I love trying different supplements and was so psyched to start taking SJW and find it helped me, so I was really disappointed when I realized it was doing more harm than good for me. Luckily, I have other supplements that I take that don't bother me at all. Now, addressing Explorer issues is my biggest priority. I found that after removing SJW I really didn't need anything for my mood anyway. I have a feeling that problem related to my thyroid issue, plus some stress I was going through.

I was going to suggest you take boswellia, but I saw it interferes with the cytochrome P450 pathway, so that doesn't sound good. It helps with inflammation.

I found that the supplements listed with the SWAMI can sometimes contain avoids. When my SWAMI gave me a Teacher diet, it said to take the Teacher supplements--of course--but they contained an avoid for me--ginseng. Now, with my new SWAMI diet, ginseng is a neutral. I decided to try the Teacher supplement with ginseng since I can't take one of the Explorer supplements due to past problems with one ingredient, and the ginseng makes me terribly jittery. I stopped taking that one.
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Chandon, thanks for the note.  Being crazy hormonal probably causes extra-sensitivities.

Interestingly, I am feeling better after cutting out supps except for my Polyflora O.  My body seems to love that stuff.  I still plan on trying to add others back in, but I am feeling so much better now that I am going to wait and see how I feel.  While my symptoms may have been totally coincidental...it's a process to figure it all out.  We'll have to just wait and see...


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I love polyflora too, really helps keep things regular and all!  
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Robyn Mc, from an alternative point of view, it sounds like your left side is all blocked up. Have you tried any accupuncture to open your qi? I don't know that I'm saying this right, but I have noticed that a lot of things on me, are right sided.
There is SO much to consider with the body, that it's just mind boggling!  
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