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I am new to this system, and I have been using BTD for about a week or so and then I glimpsed GTD and used SWAMI after I heard about it.  However, I am trying to lose weight, body fat specifically, and every thing else I have done before has emphasized portion control, aside from the "eat all of food X you want" systems.  Now, I don't eat a ton of food, but I was wondering if this community uses portion control along with these systems or if the systems themselves inherently influence portion (ie if you eat what is good for you, your natural inclination will be to stop when appropriate).

This system seems to emphasize health as its primary issue, and while some people may say that health and weight go hand in hand, I have had a different experience.  I am in decent athletic shape.  I am a runner and I frequently do sprinting as my form of exercise, and yoga on the off days.  However,  I am still above 30% body fat, and I started at about 36% 3 months ago.  I achieved most of my weight loss through Jenny Craig, which emphasizes portion control, but not much else, and I suppose through my activity that I have reinstated since I started it.  However, this system greatly appealed to me on some deeper level, and it allows me to move away from eating supplied food, hence why I have the question.

Hopefully my shield shows that I am AB+ sec or whatever, and GT6 Nomad.  Not sure if that's relevant to my question but whatever .
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Start with getting used to the foods before portion control. If you already don't overeat(like I do!), it shouldn't be a problem. You are already light years ahead by being on this diet!
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each food group has it s suggested frequency value, low and high range.....
you can adapt it to what works for you

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Stick to the diamonds for weight loss. It will take awhile for your body to release the weight.

Intestinal health will make all the difference for weight loss, if you are overweight your GI tract needs some work.

Loads of studies if you google gut health and weight loss.

So in conjunction with the diet concentrate on getting your GI tract in order.


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So then is it more imperative that I try to eat the amounts given in the SWAMI report in order to receive optimum nutrition over a week?  Thus far, I have been having difficulty finding certain foods (lamb, goat) and so I have been kind of falling back on the same types of foods when I can't think of anything else to eat.

Do I need to make more of an effort to satisfy each food category's dietary amount in order to have better success with fat loss?  To be honest, I actually forgot about that particular aspect of the system, but I remembered it when Lola said something about it.
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Your vegetables will be high portions and your grains will be low. Take a look and see how much SWAMI recommends.

I usually tell people to learn the food first then worry about the portions.

You should have a cookbook with the SWAMI too and a meal planner?


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Thanks for that somewhat long and disorganized reply :-P.

I fully understand that this is not a conventional weight loss diet is the terms you described.  I am not looking for a weight loss diet.  You mentioned having an image.  For the longest time I was complacent with who I was: 5'8.5" and 240 pounds.  But not that long ago I decided that that was not me.  When I was young I was heavily athletic and played multiple sports.  I enjoy hardcore exercise, but not for exercise's sake, it is almost a form of spiritual release for me.

Because of this is what has led me to other systems of nutrition such as BTD/GTD/SWAMI, because I was not sure how to recapture what I had lost (I used to eat a medium pizza almost daily in high school).  I am only interested in my health, but I refuse to believe that 30% fat is a healthy level of fat.  I am still overweight by anyone's calculation, and I still have risk factors in my family that are tied to weight such as cardiovascular health and joint problems.  Additionally, I know that I am an athletic person, and the fat is really just slowing me down from achieving what I want to achieve.

I place a great value on preventative medicine and health.  I am not looking for a quick fix, because if I was I would not have kept going for almost 4 months now trying to lose my weight.  I also would not have even given this system a moment of my time if it did not seem to be scientifically grounded.  I take great pains to track multiple aspects of my macro and micro nutrition using a computer as an aid to make sure I am not over or under doing any particular area.  The only area I have not fully committed to is caloric intake because I cannot seem to find any consensus on it.

And are you proposing that because I have a particular blood or genotype that doing what I enjoy is hindering me from losing weight?  I realize that I am not an O/Hunter, and I don't run like the runner's you see everyday who trek miles and miles.  My running is a very targeted program, called PACE, developed by Al Sears.  I don't do it because I think I am a natural born runner, but because it is the easiest exercise modality to organically control the intensity of the exercise in the moment.  It allows for the bursts of intensity commonly found in active sports like soccer and squash, and that's what I love about it.

On the flipside, I also do yoga on the off days like I said because I find it is a great centering experience.  And here is the hitch: my yoga progress is being hindered because in poses like Uttanasana or Paschimottanasana (Standing forward bend and Seated forward bend) my fat gets in my way.  The same is true for Sarvangasana (shoulderstand), it is difficult to maintain balance because my belly is disrupting my center of gravity and thus good alignment.  Sirsasana (headstand, supported) is even more difficult for the same reason.  I absolutely LOVE yoga, and if there was only one thing I could do, it would be that, but how can I do it if my fat is in the way??

Anyway, rambling.  Take what you will from this :-P.
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I am new to this system, and I have been using BTD for about a week or so and then I glimpsed GTD and used SWAMI after I heard about it.  However, I am trying to lose weight, body fat specifically, and every thing else I have done before has emphasized portion control, aside from the "eat all of food X you want" systems.  Now, I don't eat a ton of food, but I was wondering if this community uses portion control along with these systems or if the systems themselves inherently influence portion (ie if you eat what is good for you, your natural inclination will be to stop when appropriate).

This system seems to emphasize health as its primary issue, and while some people may say that health and weight go hand in hand, I have had a different experience.  I am in decent athletic shape.  I am a runner and I frequently do sprinting as my form of exercise, and yoga on the off days.  However,  I am still above 30% body fat, and I started at about 36% 3 months ago.  I achieved most of my weight loss through Jenny Craig, which emphasizes portion control, but not much else, and I suppose through my activity that I have reinstated since I started it.  However, this system greatly appealed to me on some deeper level, and it allows me to move away from eating supplied food, hence why I have the question.

Hopefully my shield shows that I am AB+ sec or whatever, and GT6 Nomad.  Not sure if that's relevant to my question but whatever .


The SWAMI portion sizes and frequencies reflect your anticipated caloric needs based on the other inputs.

There is no need to count calories if you are using the food from the lists with an emphasis on superfoods and diamonds and using a variety of the foods available.
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I am not looking for a weight loss diet.


...so this might not be relevant to your situation, but I just want to add my 2 cents' worth.

Last year I lost weight (a miracle for me) using the Warrior food list. Then many of my diamond foods changed when I ran the SWAMIXpress software. So how come I lost weight? I was counting calories, but more significantly, I think, was that I was consuming half my calories at breakfast, another third at lunch, and the remaining one-sixth of my daily allotment at dinner--which was never later than 7pm. And I never got the munchies in the evening (another miracle for me ). Easiest weight loss ever.

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How much different was the Warrior list from the SWAMI? Might not be that much different.


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...so this might not be relevant to your situation, but I just want to add my 2 cents' worth.

Last year I lost weight (a miracle for me) using the Warrior food list. Then many of my diamond foods changed when I ran the SWAMIXpress software. So how come I lost weight? I was counting calories, but more significantly, I think, was that I was consuming half my calories at breakfast, another third at lunch, and the remaining one-sixth of my daily allotment at dinner--which was never later than 7pm. And I never got the munchies in the evening (another miracle for me ). Easiest weight loss ever.



Thanks, that seems like it might be an interesting idea.  I do want to lose weight, I just wanted to be clear that I don't have an unhealthy relationship to the number on a scale, but that I am trying to lose weight in the form of fat in order to better my health.  Thanks for your suggestion though.  It is intriguing.
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How much different was the Warrior list from the SWAMI? Might not be that much different.


Do you mean the whole list, and not just the ratings? (diamond, neutral, whatever)

Many foods were bumped over one column left or right. Animal protein became more important. What sticks out in my mind is the yummy 5-diamond breakfast I used to eat: brown rice, peas, onions, parsley, garlic, some kind of nut--usually walnuts or pecans, plus a little ghee (non-diamond). Those are all either non-diamond superfoods or  neutrals now.

Oops...except for onions, that is.


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Thanks, that seems like it might be an interesting idea.




Not sure if I made this clear, but I was restricting my calories. I did some kind of calculation with my height, weight, and age that gave me the number of calories/day for weight loss. It was a lot less than I was used to, and I often went a little bit over.

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Not sure if I made this clear, but I was restricting my calories. I did some kind of calculation with my height, weight, and age that gave me the number of calories/day for weight loss. It was a lot less than I was used to, and I often went a little bit over.



It was probably something like a BMR calculator. They basically tell you how many calories to maintain weight, but then you can also determine calories by subtracting a certain number like 300-500 less for weight loss.



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...so this might not be relevant to your situation, but I just want to add my 2 cents' worth.

Last year I lost weight (a miracle for me) using the Warrior food list. Then many of my diamond foods changed when I ran the SWAMIXpress software. So how come I lost weight? I was counting calories, but more significantly, I think, was that I was consuming half my calories at breakfast, another third at lunch, and the remaining one-sixth of my daily allotment at dinner--which was never later than 7pm. And I never got the munchies in the evening (another miracle for me ). Easiest weight loss ever.



Another thought is that you changed many of your bad eating habits.



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I use portion control and eat mainly diamond, beneficial & neutral foods.  (I travel lots for work so sometimes avoids might sneak in at restaurants.)  I find that doing the proper amount & type of exercise is essential for me to maintain my weight.  


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Another thought is that you changed many of your bad eating habits.


I can't resist this opportunity to go a bit off-topic and say that wearing invisaligns the last few months has dramatically improved such habits. Invisaligns must be worn at least 20 hours/day, and you can't wear them while eating...so basically that means only taking them out for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. (No more random smoothies at the mall!) You have to brush and floss before putting them back in, too...and I refuse to do that in a public restroom.

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I think for quick weight loss it's all about reducing your calories. I have been on BTD for just over two weeks and have already lost almost 15 pounds... but I only eat 2oz of meat, lots of steamed veggies, and flax seed oil....... not eating ANY sugary stuff has surely helped. I think the key to weight loss is listening to your body and not eating unless the body says it's time to eat. Then, if you eat a tiny bit of animal protein, you should get the message that all is well. Drinking tons of water helps too.
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I was thinking the same thing Lola....



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I cut the carbs, rice and high GI fruit and finally started losing.  I started after the first of the year and am down 27 lbs with 10 more to go.  I have also exercised portion control and given myself unlimited diamond veggies (raw) if I am hungry.  I do hit the ladies gym 3 times a week and do some eliptical, or biking at home on the off days.

I need to SWAMI.  I have that software somewhere in my house.  I got it last year with a supplement purchase deal, it was sent at a later date and I was in the middle of an office remodel.  Consequently during all of that chaos it was misplaced.  If I can't find it, I will have to get it again.

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Sophia Victoria..  15 pounds... but I only eat 2oz of meat, lots of steamed veggies, and flax seed oil.......  if you eat a tiny bit of animal protein, you should get the message that all is well. Drinking tons of water helps too.

So then you have lost 15 pounds in 2 weeks, congratulations..

so doing it your way I would be eating about one half of a skinny palm of meat (O Gatherer it would be turkey or 1 egg per meal.
and I would be eating steamed vegetables
and drink lots of water.

can you tell me if lots of vegetables is : 1 finger zucchini and 1 small onion and 10 green beans at one meal are considered a lot? since it fills a plate or would you eat more than one plate?

Ok I will do this with you and look forward to eating that way for life since I wish to loose more than 15 pounds.  I am looking forward to imitating you're weight loss... so please advise how you are doing.. I will follow your lead.

by the way where did you see this portion control? in BTD or Geno? how many years have you been on it? and how is your health... I experct not to loose as much as you do since I will not work out as much. but even then you might have a new book in weight loss to write.. 15 pounds in 2 weeks is impressive.  

and most important what did you eat before you went on this way of doing BTD? are you going to keep this way of eating a tine bit of protein for life?? or only for a slong as you need to loose weight.  

actually I was told by my freind who had gastric surgery that she eats that way and she has lost weight - but seh is AB.  

Thanks..


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Goldie.... before BTD I would eat everything, when I wanted it... fried clams with a mountain of fries, supersize vanilla milkshakes, half a round of brie, an entire box of wheat thins, three servings of spaghetti, a jumbo chocolate bar, entire tub of Hagan Daz, 3 or 4 orders of sushi,... you name it, I was snacking on it. I gained over 70 pounds in 5 or 6 months just because I got terribly hungry. My doctor checked me for thyroid and blood sugar but luckily everything was normal. Looking back on it now, it might have been because I had started a new birth control pill called Yaz(I since quit it) and that might be what made me so hungry.

Goldie.... as long as your veggies are beneficial and not high glycemic, it shouldn't matter how much veggies you consume. Personally, I usually eat one full head of broccoli per day but if I get hungry later I eat another full head or just nibble on some romaine lettuce leaves. Onion is supposed to be one of the healthiest things to eat so keep going with the onions... actually, a medicine man once told me the top five healthiest foods are cayenne pepper, fresh lemons, green cabbage, onions and garlic... This medicine man recommended everyone eat or drink fresh squeezed lemon juice every morning.... something I've been meaning to get around to doing.  

Anyway, D'Adamo recommends beef for weight loss for Os so I have only been eating ground beef and the occasional t-bone steak.(waaay over quota!) You'd be surprised how far a little tiny bit of ground beef goes to stave off hunger. You should make 2oz and eat it slowly and when you feel you've had enough just put the rest in the fridge and eat it later.

The key to this successful weight loss is careful listening to your body's needs. It's like watering plants... you don't want too much or too little... just enough so you can hear that sigh of relief from the plant. This is a rule I used to live by until I got hungry and fell off the wagon completely. If you're used to eating a lot, the way to get there is to drastically cut your protein portion sizes back for a few days and start listening to your body carefully.

The good news is that I haven't been doing any strenuous exercise... just walking 20 minutes a day on average. It's really all about diet. I started jogging on the treadmill months ago for two weeks and I only lost about five pounds. I plan to start vigorous exercise when I actually lose this weight as a maintenance measure but it's too hard on my body when I am overweight like this. Still have over 35 pounds to go but hey, it was 50 two weeks ago.
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And as for you question about do I plan to keep eating like this when I have already lost the the weight.... I don't really know but I feel good the way I'm eating now. Once I lose the weight I will probably get a little more creative with my foods since ground beef every day tends to get a little boring and too much red meat probably isn't good for the long haul.... although, when I make my ground beef I sprinkle cayenne pepper and peppercorn and salt on it and it is delish...

Just remember to drink water all through the day.

Also, I have completely cut out grains and heavy carbs and I think that has made a world of difference. No bread, no rice.... and no nuts! Nuts are very good but they are packed full of calories... not good if you're trying to lose weight!

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ah nice lets stay in touch..

but maybe be careful with the peppercorn I think it's on avoid for O.  

yes the pill can do wierd things glad you figured that out.

as for meat you are O so never worry about to much meat or tyrkey.

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peppercorn I think it's on avoid for O


depending on status or GT, yet freshly ground is recommended preferably to all who can have pepper.


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