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paul clucas
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There is an old saying among programmers: Garbage In, Garbage Out.  (otherwise known as GIGO)

Swami Xpress is great, but that greatness does depend very much upon your giving it complete and accurate information.

There is a human tendency to exaggerate what we are convinced of and shy away from what we find uncomfortable.  That is why there are double blind studies in mainstream medicine.  Different groups of people, who have no communication from group to group, work on different parts of the medical trial.  The purpose of all this expense is to remove conscious and unconscious bias.  For Swami Xpress users something like this would be useful.

There are three reasons why a practitioner running Swami Pro will give you better results.  The training that allows diagnosis (i.e. what qualifies as an autoimmune disease) is the first.  The second is that Swami Pro allows a skilful (and much more specifically trained) practitioner to add their own logic into the layers of adjustments that comprise the individualization of the diet.  The third is simply the added perspective of your life and health from someone actively interested in your betterment.  You can overcome your bias by taking the practitioner's point of view seriously, even or especially if you find it takes you out of your comfort zone, and following the recommendations.

While non-practitioners can incrementally fill in their lack of medical knowledge from discussions on the board, it is a haphazard process that will inevitably allow personal bias to distort the results.

Much better and much simpler is to get the help of a Swami Xpress buddy with whom you can meet occasionally.  Your friend can help you by giving you the third advantage of a practitioner: the added perspective of someone actively interested in your betterment.

That is what this board is mainly about.  Typing, however, is not a good as more direct socializing; it strips away body language, voice, and the more subtle forms of communication.

So, if you can afford it, and there is still a problem that Swami Xpress is not improving:

                       Get thee to a practitioner.
or, if you can't
                       Setup a meeting with a nearby board member (especially one who has Swami Xpress).
or, if you can't
                       Stop lurking and start posting.

The tools for improving your health are within your reach.  

It would be a shame that the only reason that you cannot make the changes that will improve your life, is that you are stuck in some sort of rut.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Thank you, Paul!  



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MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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So what is the Swami PRO ? different from Swami- should I buy that from the start? how much more?

Is there a SWAMI EXPRESS Gatherer Buddy with Diabetes?? would love to meet..


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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Quoted from Goldie
So what is the Swami PRO ?

It is a tool designed to be used by professionals with training.
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different from Swami- should I buy that from the start?


It has about 300 more fields that require you to enter data.

If you enter it correctly and make the right choices you may get a better diet.

Enter the incorrect data in the fields and you will get a worse diet.

Safeguards in the XPress edition are removed giving the practitioner more flexibility. This makes it a more powerful and flexible tool, but if you do not know what you are doing you are flying unprotected.

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how much more?


Software is not much more, but you would also need to attend conferences and pay for certification exams to use SWAMI GenoType (or PRO).  License is a little different since you generally buy a multiuse license so that you can use the product with multiple patients.




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Quoted from Goldie
So what is the Swami PRO ? different from Swami- should I buy that from the start? how much more?

Is there a SWAMI EXPRESS Gatherer Buddy with Diabetes?? would love to meet..


Do you live around NYC? We have a group meeting every month and all are welcome.  You migt find a gatherer buddy at one of the meetings.  

http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=181275753642&ref=ts
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Thanks heaps for posting that Paul - you have great insight & a good clear way of expressing yourself!!
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Very interesting post~!  

Specifically because I made the decision just today to put my Explorer SWAMI diet aside and go back to BTD for "O".   Why?  I was doing really well on the simple BTD and lost 25 lbs.  Then I went off the beaten track for a few months, but interestingly only regained 5 lbs. back....not bad considering the way I was eating.  I was trying to get myself back in control when someone I know started talking about GenoType.  So I bought the book, followed the advanced calculators and was declared a Gatherer. That really threw me because as I was reading the text I felt that Hunter fit the way I was eating as the closest to BTD "O".  I then purchased SWAMI and became an Explorer.

I adjusted my mindset and dug in.  BUT, since following my personalized "Rennie" Explorer diet, and on top of feeling aggravated with so many restrictions, I'm gaining weight.  I need to lose 50 more lbs and to be gaining weight is not acceptable.  And, yes - I was at least 90% compliant with the Explorer foods.  I won't accept that the 10% I'm not doing is making the difference - even Dr. D claims 70/30 is good.  I'm stating this because when I was steadily losing weight on the BTD, I was eating M&M almonds every day as my little "neutral" cheater.  Remember:  it is stated in the BTD book (pages 72-73 in my book) that sugar and chocolate are neutrals for 'O'.  The quote is: "Sugar products such as honey and sugar will not harm you.  Nor will chocolate. But these should all be strictly limited to occasional use.."   This proved to be true for me - I still lost weight.  I AM, however, going to continue to stay away from sugar because it really isn't good for you - but I just wanted to make a point.  

So there it is, back to BTD.  I'll update on whether it's making a difference from the Explorer profile.  Should be interesting


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Rennie, I'm curious...have you done the little questionnaire check list to determine whether or not you should be doing BTD or GTD?  I did BTD half-heartedly for years only to return to it when my health went south and then I just jumped on the GTD bandwagon and then SWAMi.  I started having some problems with certian foods that had been avoids on BTD and then became beneficial on GTD, or at least black dot foods.  THEN I came across the quiz.  As it turns out, I should have stuck to the O-nonnie diet to begin with.  It's very close to the hunter diet, but those few little tweaks didn't help me at all.




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Quoted from Rennie


So there it is, back to BTD.  I'll update on whether it's making a difference from the Explorer profile.  Should be interesting


You have to go with what works.

It would be interesting to see what would happen with a SWAMI Pro run to give more weighting to BTD values and take other factors into account that the Xpress just isn't set up for. Maybe some year. in the meantime, best with what you are doing!

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Quoted from Plucky
have you done the little questionnaire check list to determine whether or not you should be doing BTD or GTD?


Plucky - where is this questionnaire?

Lloyd - I'm still paying back a dear friend who lent me the $ for SWAMI.  I wish I could afford to go to the clinic or a nutritionist to do the SWAMI Pro, but it is what it is.  Thanks for the good wishes - it's appreciated.



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Rennie,
I was just in NJ for 2weeks with my brothers and parents.  My brother constantly used
the phrase "it is what it is" and I started using it myself.  So I know what you mean
there.  But I am curious, did you ever figure out what on the SWAMI express diet was
causing you to gain weight?  Because I also am an explorer on SWAMI, and it does feel
correct for me.  But I know there are foods on my list that I still should not eat if I want to lose weight such as spelt flour and also rice pasta.  Those foods are
on my list of bennies, but cause me to have sugar problems....I am just wondering about your list and what on the explorer diet varies from your btd diet.  
The link to the quiz is on this page....http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/nutrition/?blog=24&paged=2
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Here's the link to the page for deciding which plan is better for you, BTD or GTD:

http://www.dadamo.com/which_diet_is_right.htm


I've never done this before, so hope it works.  If not, I found it by going to the home page, clicking on the link for "about the diets", then the genotype one, and the quiz is down towards the bottom.




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wow!!
gatherer/ explorer and O nonnie, eating m and m s and loosing weight????
sounds fascinating!!!

wish I could be you for a night!!!


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good suggestions Paul, but it doesn't guarants anything coz even prationers will need muchmore knowledge and trainings on those concerns... seen in the statement of Gz once he confronted his ND with GTD; and all nearly all those I am in contact with are aware of not having the whole knowledge...incl. myselve   what I've experienced everywhere is fractal knowledge. Everybody of us uses different systems; me the bioresonance and it shows clearly up since years that P.D. was in the right direction with BTD.....ok todays the adaptation to GTD....but honestly I only can show up that the need for international communication and help should be better established...as you mentioned yourself.
I think once given the wrong  advices coz of lacks of.... your client will be gone.....
this is what I experienced and so I prefer to use my own system until the day I can be really assured in not committing too much of errors in running the swami system with my pc. The whole  Swami systems changed a lot since months and will continue to change I guess, so far I see that the whole system should be tought and trained with practioners and laypersons as well.....
Since years the british league works with their own prefered people; I never got an invitation for a training....we get always the infos after those happenings...so far what shall I think about such a behaviour...I am sure that a lot more practoners would join by getting more support also from IfHI.....but all is held flasque...vague
here in Europe since years and all is settled for US-manners...ok...so no doubt that
the european countries are in deficit.... ....


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GOOD answers above!! The quiz mentioned above shows me as somewhat better for GTD.. and the only changes I SEE between the two: In O I eat meat and blueberries, Yams instead of sweet potatoes - in Gatherer its turkey and other fruit.. I am off grain by choice no matter what, (got used to it)  I will not return to any grains or potatoes, rice is out too, the other fruit is harder to buy - and maybe I will have to test and actually allow my diabetes numbers to decide what to do.. but no matter what:  NOW I am not as certain, but I did loose weight on both eating plans..
and 85% chocolate and some ice-cream is my cheat 5%.. and so here I see that I will have to decide..

TRAINING and or continued education, I wonder if getting it from the horses mouth is really needed? maybe we need to do training with lay people, as they seem to be more available in many other places and one does not have to feel as if one is trespassing on the ones that truly 'know more' but have less time to share.---

I have a similar issue with another company who does not open training unless its for on enormous price and only in one specific place costing travel and other expenses.. In the days of computer GO TO Meeting - training ought to be able to be established for nearly everyone every where and for much less $- since more people could participate..

I love conferences but money is too tight to go to the IFHI conference this year and even there - I got much good info on other stuff, but relatively NON on the diet itself.. that is what the books are for -self study.. but I think its time to open a new EDUCTION THREAD...

For me, I am going to read all the entries over vacation and I will keep notes on good info.. and I will report back.. I NEED to KNOW since Diabetes is kicking me in the rear.. I am losing my skin tone, things are hanging and there is no sign in sight that will promise the fountain of better health. (forget looks-I accepted that in defeat) and wealth is elusive or I would get everything hooked up higher again..  )      


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Joli:

I do not remember your background.

If you have not read the Diabetes book you may want to:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED066S

This is written for the BTD. Even if you opt to follow SWAMI or GenoType it will give you some idea of how Dr. D. and the diets treat diabetes.


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. . nearly all those I am in contact with are aware of not having the whole knowledge...incl. myselve   what I've experienced everywhere is fractal knowledge. Everybody of us uses different systems; me the bioresonance and it shows clearly up since years that P.D. was in the right direction with BTD.....ok todays the adaptation to GTD....but honestly I only can show up that the need for international communication and help should be better established...as you mentioned yourself.
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This is so true, Isa.  Even for those of us who have been patients of natural health practitioners for decades, we sometimes don't know which one to go to for help.  This is because none of them can help us with all of our issues.  They each have their specialty, and it is difficult for them also, because they can only learn what their trainers teach them.  Or they go on to further their own education as Dr. Peter has done, with a vigorous open mind and constant research.  No one has the time to be a 100% perfect healer in all fields.  

The foundation of everything for me is eating for my genotype, and utilizing the naturopathic supplements that Dr. D recommends for my own type.  But I also consider a really good Chinese Medical doctor/acupuncturist to be vital for my wellness team.  And I searched for 10 years before I found an MD who meets my needs, who is perceptive, thorough, and respects my own opinions.  I don't personally go to an N.D. locally because I find that these that I mentioned are sufficient to meet my needs.  But this requires that I do an enormous amount of self inquiry and pay very close attention to my body on a daily basis.

I've always had this vision that the ideal scenario would be along the lines of an integrated clinic, with an M.D., an N.D., a Doctor of Oriental Medicine, a Nurse Practitioner and perhaps a Chiropractor and Massage Therapist.  And those with unusual specialties such as yourself, Isa, should be there as well.  When I lived in India, there was one of those types of clinics.  The success of the clinic was in the Intake appointment, where a person evaluated the complaints and helped connect the patient with the healer that was most appropriate.  There was no competition, and patients saw different types of the doctors at different times, depending on their need.  I totally loved it!



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This is so true, Isa.  Even for those of us who have been patients of natural health practitioners for decades, we sometimes don't know which one to go to for help.  This is because none of them can help us with all of our issues.  They each have their specialty, and it is difficult for them also, because they can only learn what their trainers teach them.  Or they go on to further their own education as Dr. Peter has done, with a vigorous open mind and constant research.  No one has the time to be a 100% perfect healer in all fields.  

The foundation of everything for me is eating for my genotype, and utilizing the naturopathic supplements that Dr. D recommends for my own type.  But I also consider a really good Chinese Medical doctor/acupuncturist to be vital for my wellness team.  And I searched for 10 years before I found an MD who meets my needs, who is perceptive, thorough, and respects my own opinions.  I don't personally go to an N.D. locally because I find that these that I mentioned are sufficient to meet my needs.  But this requires that I do an enormous amount of self inquiry and pay very close attention to my body on a daily basis.

I've always had this vision that the ideal scenario would be along the lines of an integrated clinic, with an M.D., an N.D., a Doctor of Oriental Medicine, a Nurse Practitioner and perhaps a Chiropractor and Massage Therapist.  And those with unusual specialties such as yourself, Isa, should be there as well.  When I lived in India, there was one of those types of clinics.  The success of the clinic was in the Intake appointment, where a person evaluated the complaints and helped connect the patient with the healer that was most appropriate.  There was no competition, and patients saw different types of the doctors at different times, depending on their need.  I totally loved it!


V, once again you are spot on! The healthcare community [on the medical side] does this! The PCP refers to whatever specialist they feel appropriate, and so on, and so on. Wouldn't it be outstanding to have what you described available to all




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dearest half of mine Victoria...you said it ...yep I agree completely with you and the concerns about healthy issues, I once worked alike with dif. therapists but then
all broke and I  can't  even tell you why.. . my experience tells me today.. I'm on the right track in teaching  and using BTD & orthomolecular medicine for prevention and BRT/BIT dito & obtain better information about clients energetic levels and health; so it enables me always to work in the preclinical fields, success is nearly guaranted .....

Once upon older days, Cocky and me had some discussions about that thema..it was in 04 or 05 I don't remember well....and really we thought that she might become and will be one of those helpers; teachers for european guydancy a sort of *help point* for international demands....but nope.. it was burried down  ....since then I haven't lost the impression that everybody of us has to go for his/her own goals
instead of coming closer togehter and reaching a common aim...this made me a bit sad but ok have to admit....so it is.......


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dearest half of mine Victoria...you said it ...yep I agree completely with you and the concerns about healthy issues, I once worked alike with dif. therapists but then
all broke and I  can't  even tell you why.. . my experience tells me today.. I'm on the right track in teaching  and using BTD & orthomolecular medicine for prevention and BRT/BIT dito & obtain better information about clients energetic levels and health; so it enables me always to work in the preclinical fields, success is nearly guaranted .....

Once upon older days, Cocky and me had some discussions about that thema..it was in 04 or 05 I don't remember well....and really we thought that she might become and will be one of those helpers; teachers for european guydancy a sort of *help point* for international demands....but nope.. it was burried down  ....since then I haven't lost the impression that everybody of us has to go for his/her own goals
instead of coming closer togehter and reaching a common aim...this made me a bit sad but ok have to admit....so it is.......


Isa, not to be sad ~ it's all good! Look at how far the natural healing arts have come and all the great people we have met and shared lives with




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Isa,
I have worked for 1/2 of my adult life in various artist collectives.  I have found that it is one of the most rewarding AND one of the hardest things to do.  I also worked for almost as long as a Yoga teacher and Wellness Coach, but only alone.  I think that artistic people and healers are both very eccentric.  We have strong opinions and we are individuals to an extreme.  Working together toward a common practice would seem to be the easiest thing to do but it can be the most impossible.  Everyone is RIGHT!  And they (we) have to be right in our own way.  

I don't know what it will take.  Well, being opinionated as I am, I do have my opinion about it.     More than great intelligence is needed.  Something like Deep Wisdom, to see beyond the surface and into the big picture of humanity beyond our own selves.  



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Gz and Victoria thank you for kind sustain but I  was a bit sad coz I've to dig a dream ....


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Gz and Victoria thank you for kind sustain but I  was a bit sad coz I've to dig a dream ....


Isa, never loose sight of your dreams my friend!




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