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ruthiegirl
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I'm taking a look at the frequency values in my SWAMI, and I'm confused about a few things.

It says I should have two teaspoons of spices per day. Is that a minimum or a maximum, or a "try to have around this much" figure? I generally eat WAY more than 2 teaspoons worth of spices per day, and I'd hate to have to limit myself!

Similarly, the frequency values for beverages seems low. Is it OK to have more than 3 cups of tea a day?

Condiments: 1 tsp, 0-1 serving (per day?) I can understand the point of limiting molasses, even if it is a superfood. But is it really a problem to have 2 tsp of molasses and then have a teaspoon of umeboshi plum vinegar? Or to have less than a tablespoonful of nutritional yeast if I'm having some that day (and why should I get less yeast if I'm eating more molasses or honey?)

2 servings of fruits seems about right, since I don't do well on many carbs. 5 cups of veggies sounds like a healthy goal. 2 servings of grains every day  seems a little high to me, but not excessively so. 0-1 seems more realistic to me. Being limited to only 2 tablespoons of oil a WEEK also seems incredibly low, in an otherwise fairly low-carb diet.

The frequency values for meat. fish, eggs, and poulty seem REALLY low to me. 7 eggs a week would mean only one egg per day, which would NOT fill me up! I usually eat 4 eggs with breakfast. To limit myself to 7 eggs per week, I'd need to eat more of other animal proteins at breakfast times.

Assuming that I can eat enough eggs to fill myself up at breakfast, I'd still need protein for lunch and dinner every day- 14 servings. With 5 servings per week of red meat, 2 servings of poultry, and 4 of fish, that's only 11 servings to cover 14 meals! If I'm limited to only 7 eggs, I'd need something like 18 meals' worth of meat, poultry, and fish, not just 11.  I can't imagine vegetable proteins would fill in the gap when I only get 5 a week, and a serving is pretty small. 1/4 cup of nuts or a tablespoon of nut butter is a snack, not a meal. And for some reason it doesn't list the serving size for beans, but I'd assume it's 1/4-1/2 a cup, which I'd consider a side dish, or my carbs for the meal, not a protein source.  

Let me quote a passage from my SWAMI about Gatherers in general:

In reality, the best thing Gatherers can do for their dietary health is to eat enough food. However while Gatherers need to consume enough food, it also has to be the right kind of food. Gatherers must learn not simply how to cut calories, but also which specific foods do the healing -- and the GenoType 2
Gatherers diet will help you do just that.

That advice seems to be at odds with the food value frequencies for animal products. If I followed the frequency values EXACTLY as my SWAMI suggests, I'd be eating too little protein,  and either too few total calories, or I'd make up  the calorie difference by eating too many carbs.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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You SWAMI is designed for weight loss.
  It is very interesting every Gatherer I have done complains about the serving sizes and getting "filled up" wanting carbs to fill in the gaps.
Interesting thing is that once you start to follow this WOE, that hungry feeling disappears and the food satisfies you. Increase your vegetables they are unlimited.

Gatherers can do a meal of beans and veggies meat does not have to be at every meal. It will also  cost less to eat some of the veggie protein rather then meat.


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The frequecy values are based in part on whether SWAMI thinks you need to lose weight and how best to do it.

Try moving towards the suggested amounts gradually, adding in more live foods as needed to fill you up.
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It is very interesting every Gatherer I have done complains about the serving sizes and getting "filled up" wanting carbs to fill in the gaps.


Actually, I'm saying the opposite! I don't WANT to fill up on carbs; I want to fill up on protein and fats and keep my carbs to an absolute minimum.

So should I try to slowly wean myself down to the recomended portions of animal proteins?

For some reason this information is missing from my SWAMI: what is the portion size for beans and legumes?

OK, so veggies are unlimited and I can eat more than 5 cups if I want to. Is the same true for spices and beverages?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I'm taking a look at the frequency values in my SWAMI, and I'm confused about a few things.

It says I should have two teaspoons of spices per day. Is that a minimum or a maximum, or a "try to have around this much" figure? I generally eat WAY more than 2 teaspoons worth of spices per day, and I'd hate to have to limit myself!

Similarly, the frequency values for beverages seems low. Is it OK to have more than 3 cups of tea a day?

Condiments: 1 tsp, 0-1 serving (per day?) I can understand the point of limiting molasses, even if it is a superfood. But is it really a problem to have 2 tsp of molasses and then have a teaspoon of umeboshi plum vinegar? Or to have less than a tablespoonful of nutritional yeast if I'm having some that day (and why should I get less yeast if I'm eating more molasses or honey?)

2 servings of fruits seems about right, since I don't do well on many carbs. 5 cups of veggies sounds like a healthy goal. 2 servings of grains every day  seems a little high to me, but not excessively so. 0-1 seems more realistic to me. Being limited to only 2 tablespoons of oil a WEEK also seems incredibly low, in an otherwise fairly low-carb diet.

The frequency values for meat. fish, eggs, and poulty seem REALLY low to me. 7 eggs a week would mean only one egg per day, which would NOT fill me up! I usually eat 4 eggs with breakfast. To limit myself to 7 eggs per week, I'd need to eat more of other animal proteins at breakfast times.

Assuming that I can eat enough eggs to fill myself up at breakfast,


Try and relax and trust the SWAMI for awhile.
The grains on your list should be things like millet, teff and quinoa.
Never paid much attention to the spice servings other then the types of spices and making sure I get them in my diet on a regular basis.





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Thanks.

I think I'll spend the next week or so slowly transitioning myself down to the portion sizes and frequencies recomended for animal proteins, and eat more veggies.

Today DS and I took a walk to the closest supermarket, which is a little more than 1.5 miles round trip (plus however many miles it is to walk up and down all the aisles even though we only got 5 things and 4 of them were on the same aisle.)


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Good for you Ruthie.
Not so bad on Long Island in the winter as long as the wind is not blowing.

You saved some gas money too!


Tell Jack I say hello and it was nice to meet him.


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I'm not sure I really saved much in the way of gas money. If I hadn't gone to the store today, then I would have bought these five items (umeboshi plum vinegar, rice cakes, dried ginger, dried seaweed, and wheat-free tamari) at my next trip to the supermarket in the car, which I'll need to do soon anyway to get more milk and eggs and heavy produce. Although I guess I [i]could[/ui] buy produce a little at a time by walking to the supermarket daily, but I'm not sure how practical that really is when I do have activities on other days.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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