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ruthiegirl
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Thank you, thank you, thank you Andrea!

Since I can't afford a secretor test right now, she ran me through SWAMI twice, once as a secretor and once as a non-secretor. There really weren't THAT many differences between the two, especially with the foods I eat most often. ALL of the foods that were on BTD but removed from GTD, that I sorely missed and truly felt my body needed, are back on my food plan no matter what. A  bunch of avoids become black dots and superfoods become diamonds or vice versa, neither of which have any real practical implications.

If I'm a non-secretor, I can't have apricots, honey, vanilla, or stevia (plus a bunch of other things that aren't part of my diet anyway.) If I'm a secretor, I can't have lentils, pinto beans, coconut oil, or pomegranites. Red wine bounces from black dot (secretor) to neutral (non-secretor) and either way, I'll continue to have half a glass on Friday nights. and none the rest of the week.

My breath hydrogen test also points towards secretor (or broken machine ) I got nothing but zeroes for all 5 tests (after fasting, then 15,30,45, and 60 minutes after drinking a special sugar mixture.) So, either the machine wasn't working, or I have incredibly healthy gut flora, which is much more common in secretors than non-secretors. My dental health points towards secretor (no dental caries for over 20 years, then 1 tiny one a few years ago.)

So, I'll be following the secretor list for now. Even if I guessed wrong, there's literally only one food that I'll be including that would be "bad for me." And I may just not replace this bag of apricots when I finish it, to be extra safe.

There are only two things that bug me about the SWAMI software: kosher foods and dairy products.

Even though Andrea put me down for "kosher diet", there are still tons of non-kosher meats listed in my SWAMI. I assumed that clicking the "kosher" option would  delete all non-kosher red meats, poultry, and fishes from the entire food list, in all categories (beneficial, neutral, avoids, and genoharmonic stuff.)

I'm honestly surprised that I have ANYTHING listed as neutral or beneficial for dairy products, other than butter (and maybe a few cheeses that come from the milk of animals other than cows.) I'm going to use common sense and NOT consume anything that I know will make me sick, but it's frustrating that there are allergenic foods listed in my personalized list, and recipes with cheese in my long list of recipes.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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ruthiegirl, how exciting! I am planning on meeting the swami dude pretty soon myself




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Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:23pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Great!  Have you eaten pinto beans previously without a problem?  From your dental history, it does sound like you are a secretor.  Andrea is great!  I am happy you have a list.  I have wondered about dairy and right now am eating none, but I may go back to adding in some on my swami.  Something has made a huge difference in my joint pains, but I don't know which food category did it.
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Just curious, did you turn out to be mostly hunter?  My lists didn't change much from the O-nonnie diet and some of the beneficials are allergens for me, too.  Just goes to show, even when you have the best tool there is, we're still all individuals.  




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Andrea....... you are such a sweetheart for helping Ruthie out.

Ruthie, I'm so happy you got a SWAMI


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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Congrats~!  But don't keep us in suspense.....what are you... Hunter?  Gatherer?  Explorer?


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Quoted from Plucky
Just curious, did you turn out to be mostly hunter?  My lists didn't change much from the O-nonnie diet and some of the beneficials are allergens for me, too.  Just goes to show, even when you have the best tool there is, we're still all individuals.  


Nope, I didn't turn out to be Hunter at all. I was a Gatherer according to the book (and my best attempts at measuring myself) but I suspected I might be an Explorer based on the "canary in a coal mine" description. No way am I a Hunter- I'm way too short and voluptuous!

I guess I should go update the thingie under my name now?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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How very generous of you Andrea and how exciting for you Ruthie.
Can't wait to hear how it works for you!
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I'm glad you finally got it done.  Now you know for sure  

I happen to be a short voluptuous hunter. I come from short stock and really like food, so even with the ectomorphic body type, I'm never gonna be long and lanky.  
I'm kinda curious if certain types come closer to their original BTD than GTD once they are SWAMi'd.  




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My personalized food list does seem to be more BTD than GTD, at least in the sense that every single food I missed when I switched to GTD I got back. Also, my plan emphasizes more red meat and less poultry and fish, while the "by the  book" GTD had me eating less red meat and more fish (I don't know if my budget will allow me to follow that one though.)


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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ruthie you don't need large portions..
I did not put you as lactose intolerant as you did not describe the classic symptoms of bloating, gas and diarrhea.


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Hi,
I am considering doing the swami.  How hard is it?  Do I have to input my measurements?  I did not keep them.
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Quoted from kauaian
Hi,
I am considering doing the swami.  How hard is it?  Do I have to input my measurements?  I did not keep them.


You can always remeasure.  
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But I don't have lactose intolerance. I don't get any GI symptoms from lactose at all, such as when I have goat milk occasionally. I get problems from the milk PROTIEN, but SWAMI doesn't (yet?) have a place to input that.

Maybe I'll play around with making my own cheeses from goat milk at some point in the future, but for now I'll just ignore all the dairy except for butter.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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I am so happy for you, Ruthiegirl! I know you have been wanting to get this done.
Andrea, the world needs more people like you!


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I am so happy for you, Ruthiegirl! I know you have been wanting to get this done.
Andrea, the world needs more people like you!
Absolutely!!!! Ditto to both!!!

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Glad you got the foods you like back and there are angels like Andrea in the world


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Thanks all but none of this is possible without Dr. D his generosity spills out onto all of us.

Look below in my sig for his favorite charity and if you are ever feel like donating I know he would be very glad.

Even $10 means something.


MIFHI

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
Thanks all but none of this is possible without Dr. D his generosity spills out onto all of us.

Look below in my sig for his favorite charity and if you are ever feel like donating I know he would be very glad.

Even $10 means something.


Indeed.  

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Quoted from Lloyd


You can always remeasure.  


I know.....I just need to get my friend to help me, I wish I had kept them.
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Ruthie,
So you are ok with lactose, but it's the casein that's the problem right?  I found that a lot of cheese substitutes still add casein to make them cheeselike, like almond cheese, or even soy cheeses....I have been avoiding dairy for a few weeks and at some point may add back the ones that are supposed to be Swami bennies, we'll see.
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I don't know if it's the whey or the caseine, I just know that I do fine on goat milk (not great, but OKish) and goat milk cheeses, less OK on sheep milk cheese, and I get very sick (but no GI symptoms) from cow's milk products- yogurt, cheese, milk, kefir, etc, it doesn't make a difference. Cream causes much more subtle problems than cheese does. I get stuffed up, angry, and my fibromyalgia flares up. The stuffed nose and anger can start within an hour or so of consumption, and can last anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. The fibro symptoms take at least a day to show up and last for weeks. But my tummy is fine with them- it's the rest of my body that complains!  So I've concluded that there's something about cow's milk protein that's problematic for me.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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That's exciting you have your SWAMI now! I have found that the foods work synergistically. When I was on the wrong diet, I wasn't dealing well with my dairy, although it was unclear which foods were the worst. Blue cheeses definitely weren't great.

When I reran SWAMI and got the correct diet, my body is now likely clearing molds out of my body better. I was able to reintroduce dairy, but specifically my new list of dairy. Having just rerun SWAMI because of change in health, my dairy list is even bigger. I haven't had a chance to start adding the new dairy I got, but I have a feeling I will handle it. I was sort of longing for some aged gouda. Now it's a neutral for me.

When I did the type A diet and read Cook Right, I decided to focus on non-cow's milk dairy. That seemed to work pretty well for me. Plus I had yogurt. I continue to do well with yogurt and also find that mozzarella, ricotta, feta cheese, and Parmesan are all fine for me. Sometimes I get feta that is either from sheep or sheep and goat. I do well with feta regardless of the source. Today I had feta in my salad for lunch and felt like it made me feel great. My husband has never really liked feta, so I didn't eat it often. Now I'm just buying it for myself and it works well as something to take to lunch occasionally. I have a number of other cow's milk cheeses, particularly as  neutrals, and I think they will likely be ok now that I'm following the Explorer diet.

True, it's possible you have a casein problem--perhaps from leaky gut? That could cause a lot of issues with mood, pain, and allergic-type reactions. Maybe if your gut heals, if that is the issue, over time you could have the dairy that bothers you now. I think that DOS said that goat milk has less casein than cow, but I'm not sure. There's a thread about Teachers and dairy that gets into the issue of casein and dairy intolerance.
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Great detective work Ruthiegirl, Andrea!

Isolating the secretor/non-secretor difference by hydrogen test results and dental history!  It is great that you got your foods "back" Ruthiegirl.  Being able to rule out Explorerness and the Noniness will give you a jump start on focusing on the sources of your issues.  Are you going to be following a Ruthie (secretor) Swami from now on?


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I've been following the Ruthiegirl (secretor) Swami since Wednesday afternoon, not counting eating leftovers I cooked before then (especially if those leftovers contained black dots, not avoids.)

I've also been taking long walks (of about 2 miles each) for the past 4  days in a row. Friday with DS, Saturday with DD1, on Sunday with both DDs, and today with DD2.  

I've  been following the SWAMI food lists since Wednesday, but it  wasn't until Friday that I took the time to look at the frequencies and recomended quantities. It seems that I've been eating WAY too much food prior to this- I was doing well with limiting my fruits and grains, but I was eating way too much fat and protein. Between that and not exercising is likely why I'm 40 lbs overweight.

I'm trying really hard to stick to the food quantities, even when I'm still hungry. I know it's enough food for me, and that it won't hurt me to eat less, but it's hard for me to not just "trust my  gut" with food quantities. I suspect that, within a week or two, I'll adapt to the new way of eating and it will "feel right", but until then I'm going to have to count food portions and do this intelectually rather than instinctively.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Don't be afraid to use good greens to fill up a bit more if you are hungry.  
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Oh, I've been doing that too! I'm not restricting my vegetables at all, but I'm reminding myself not to over-do on the protein foods. Also, there are times at night when I'm hungry  but I just can't stomach the thought of veggies, especially not raw veggies. I've been saving my daily fruit servings for before bed when I get those carby cravings.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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I have heard that the stomach is the size of an orange... It can obviously stretch to accommodate the amount of food we put in it but once it gets fed less & shrinks back, having got used to less in it, you start to feel full again with less... All the best - sounds like you're doing great!!
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Juicing or making a smoothie with greens can help curb the appetite because of the dense nutrition and high water content. I tried this and it worked for me


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