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JackO
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Hi all,

I went from the BTD (for diabetes), directly to SWAMI. Given my blood type, I noticed some major food avoid differences from BTD to SWAMI. Since I bypassed GTD, I cannot comment on this portion.

Two key examples are:

1. BTD stated to specifically avoid corn in the veggie section... of course, seems to be a key component to avoid, as is wheat.

However, my SWAMI makes no mention of corn per se in the veggie section, just "corn, popcorn"  Of course, in some other food sections, it mentions avoids for cornmeal, corn syrup, or cornstarch.

I thought corn was a no-no for type O's.

2. In the BTD for Diabetes, condiments section, there is a long list of avoids, most of which are in my Swami. However, there is one glowing difference, and this is maltodextrin which is listed in the BTD avoid, but there is no mention in my Swami about this at all, making it a neutral ???

Is this strange? Any thoughts on this?

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Hi all,

I went from the BTD (for diabetes), directly to SWAMI. Given my blood type, I noticed some major food avoid differences from BTD to SWAMI. Since I bypassed GTD, I cannot comment on this portion.

Two key examples are:

1. BTD stated to specifically avoid corn in the veggie section... of course, seems to be a key component to avoid, as is wheat.

However, my SWAMI makes no mention of corn per se in the veggie section, just "corn, popcorn"  Of course, in some other food sections, it mentions avoids for cornmeal, corn syrup, or cornstarch.
this is the way for Swami to tell you to avoid any fresh, frozen, dry corn, even popcorn.  It is a way of writing, instead of creating two or more lines with the different status of corn (fresh, frozen, canned) it just writes 'corn' and just in case there is any doubt, it specifies that popcorn is also an avoid
I thought corn was a no-no for type O's. and still is according to what you listed here

2. In the BTD for Diabetes, condiments section, there is a long list of avoids, most of which are in my Swami. However, there is one glowing difference, and this is maltodextrin which is listed in the BTD avoid, but there is no mention in my Swami about this at all, making it a neutral ???
Maltodextrins are easily digestible carbohydrates made from natural corn starch ... and as such it is an avoid.

Is this strange? Any thoughts on this?

Thanks,
/J






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If your Swami says, "corn, popcorn" then it means corn and popcorn are avoids. If maltodexrin is derived from corn then that is an avoid, too.  
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I found this on Wikipedia...


Maltodextrin can be enzymatically derived from any starch. In the US, this starch is usually corn; in Europe, it is commonly wheat. While wheat-derived maltodextrin may cause concern for Celiacs that it may contain gluten, maltodextrin is such a highly processed ingredient that the protein is removed, rendering it gluten free. If wheat is used to make maltodextrin, it will appear on the label. Even so, the maltodextrin will be gluten free.[3]
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Cristina, Sharon,

Okay, I can see that where "corn, popcorn" are two different entities, from your explanations, just put on the same line. What threw me was that in the Live Foods Section, many avoids are listed individually, one line at a time e.g.
Mushrooms, Oyster
Mushrooms, Portobella
Mushrooms, Straw
Mushrooms, White, Silver Dollar
Olives, Black
Olives, Green

... well you get the idea... so my mind said if this is so, then why put "Corn, popcorn" together as it was not consistent with how the listing are set up in the Live Food section.  

Also, if maltodextrin is so bad, why is it not listed as a specific avoid in Swami, such as Fructose, dextrose, etc are listed, when it is listed in BTD?  It can also be made from soy, or potato too.  


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No problems JO, maybe with the corn, corn is corn, different status of the same thing (frozen, fresh, canned, puffed, popped), but with the mushrooms, they are different varieties, Portobello is different mushroom from silver dollar, or enoki or oyster ...  They have different properties and therefore some can be avoids while others are super foods.  If you think you are confused with all these concepts, you did not see me when I first started!!  Goodness me, I could not make sense of anything for a while there, but I kept on going, reading, searching and little by little the brain started working, still has a long way to go, but getting therre I think.  The point is, we all go through this, sometimes is like a new language ... But it is lots of fun too ...  




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Jack, the listings should be clarified whenever an errata is published for the GTD book. No, I don't know when that will be.  
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If maltodextrin is not listed in the swami, maybe it is a neutral.  



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if this were true, it would appear in every single one of our swamies......

I did link him to the corn allergen list, and if he finds maltodextrin from other compliant sources, then that would be ok....
so far I ve never seen a not corn derived source of malto, but again, down here, I practically see no compliant manufactured food sources anyway!


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Lola,
I'm just curious because maltodextrin was avoid on the B BTD, but is not mentioned on the Nomad diet, thus I assumed it was neutral.  It is a toxin on the Gatherer diet, for example.

Swami must be a different animal.  



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swami has all the ratings.....if not present, might be a slip....
cornstarch is there alright.....is malto any different?


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Okay, but here is my total thinking on all this. My Swami does not specifically exclude malto - it just is not listed as an avoid, but is listed in the BTD  ...

what if ... I, or anyone, was totally new to Dr. D's Swami... let's say I went into my local health food store. I see Swami on the shelf. I buy it, and set it up, and use it.  What if, I never went through BTD or GTD or any TD first... I just went straight to Swami, figuring it was the most complete and thorough way to go... anyone new could just start off at Swami...

Given this scenario, no new person would ever think of not using malto because in my case, it is not specifically listed as an avoid in my Swami.


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Well if I was that person I will look at Swami, look at my Super foods, look at my diamonds, look at my neutrals and spend a lot of time concentrating on those and what I can eat, how to integrate them to my diet, how to include variation, combinations, how do they translate in my local environment.

I will take note of the Swami avoids and black dots, mainly for making sure that they are not sneaking in any processed or combination foods I may be exposed to.

The only time I will be looking at items that are not in my Swami specifically listed as allowed to eat, not even in the neutrals, is for those naturally produced whole foods that are specific to my locality.  Then, and only then, I would do a bit of self testing, introducing them slowly in my diet, with no other avoids or black dots, and watch my body reaction.  And, of course, I would post a request in the forum to have that / those food items tested.

Anything else, I would request advice in this forum and report possible omissions as advised earlier.  But, when in doubt, keep it out.

Of course, you can also go ahead and do the testing for those items yourself, but when it comes to additives and supplements, I draw a very thick line! I will only use them if I believe 100% that they are right for my type, my health is worth the precautions.  




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did you click on the corn allergen list I posted sometime ago, Jack?


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Well if I was that person I will look at Swami, look at my Super foods, look at my diamonds, look at my neutrals and spend a lot of time concentrating on those and what I can eat, how to integrate them to my diet, how to include variation, combinations, how do they translate in my local environment.

I will take note of the Swami avoids and black dots, mainly for making sure that they are not sneaking in any processed or combination foods I may be exposed to.

The only time I will be looking at items that are not in my Swami specifically listed as allowed to eat, not even in the neutrals, is for those naturally produced whole foods that are specific to my locality.  Then, and only then, I would do a bit of self testing, introducing them slowly in my diet, with no other avoids or black dots, and watch my body reaction.  And, of course, I would post a request in the forum to have that / those food items tested.

Anything else, I would request advice in this forum and report possible omissions as advised earlier.  But, when in doubt, keep it out.

Of course, you can also go ahead and do the testing for those items yourself, but when it comes to additives and supplements, I draw a very thick line! I will only use them if I believe 100% that they are right for my type, my health is worth the precautions.  


Ah, but the "average" person would never know that malto is an avoid, because it is not listed as so in Swami, and malto is in several foods...

my point is I believe it should be specifically listed as an avoid. Does anyone know where I can call attention to and direct this omission in Swami?


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did you click on the corn allergen list I posted sometime ago, Jack?


Yes, Lola, and thanks a bunch. I have bookmarked that site for future reference too. There is a lot of interesting info there, from a long time corn sufferer. She obviously has done her homework.


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Ah, but the "average" person would never know that malto is an avoid, because it is not listed as so in Swami, and malto is in several foods...

my point is I believe it should be specifically listed as an avoid. Does anyone know where I can call attention to and direct this omission in Swami?




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Thanks Lloyd, I have posted to it..


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