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JackO
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I find something very interesting in my new personalized Swami program. Having checked off for both a family history and personal history of diabetes, I find that under condiments, superfoods now have listed honey, maple syrup, molasses and blackstrap, rice syrup, and Agave syrup ... wow ..... I have never used any of these, given my diabetes .. I sure hope Swami knows what it is doing    I guess the only way I can tell is to try some of these, and test my sugars, and see what happens.

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absolutely!

dip your toes in slowly yet surely!


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My understanding is that our bodies can handle natural sweeteners like honey more efficiently.  I wouldn’t overdo it though.   Like Lola says, dip your toes in 1st.


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The rating is based on those being the best of what is available in that category. Since they reach superfood status there is some benifit to their use. It doesn't mean you should use a lot.  
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Thanks all for your help.

It seems moderation is the key.. kind of scary though, but I will test and check as I use them. I see now (looking at my printout as I type this), that portion size is 1 tsp, so it can't be that bad I guess. Also, since posting the initial thread, I did some on-line research too, and found that these superfoods sweeteners / condiments have a low GI index, so here goes  


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You can always choose to start with blackstrap molasses since it has less sugar.  I have a feeling that agave in small amounts would be safe also. There's nothing wrong with eating less sweetener than you might be allowed on the swami, just to be on the safe side, as you give your body time to adjust to your new eating plan.



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and then there's agave, which is touted as diabetic-safe, and does not spike blood sugar. I believe it to be the safest of all the above, but your testing will show which works best.
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Thanks for all your input and ideas.

My health food store carries agave, but not the below. I found this to be the best and most pure form for diabetics... The other brands add things (sucrose and maltose) which increase the GI index.

http://www.blueagavenectar.com/


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The other brands add things (sucrose and maltose)


all corn derivatives should be avoided!
glad those are written down and let people choose the source they want to buy


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Sometimes it's necessary to order things online if we can't locate them locally.  Are there any other natural food stores in your area?



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Quoted from Lola
absolutely!

dip your toes in slowly yet surely!


But be careful 'cos you may end up with very sticky toes??!!   
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Well, if he has a dog or cat they can lick it off.  DOH!  

I think what Lola says is wise.  Go slow.  I'm a Teacher that doesn't do well with too much sugar.  It makes yeast grow.  Stevia seems to not do that.  And I'm starting to try more agave.  But too much honey is no good.  Any way you slice it, too much of a good thing, is not good.  


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Well, if he has a dog or cat they can lick it off.  DOH!  
suprised you didn't suggest..or a wife/partner??!!

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suprised you didn't suggest..or a wife/partner??!!



I thought I would get the thread locked for it.   So, if it does, I can blame you!      But I stopped myself from saying that very same thing.  You rascal you.


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Someone need to go wash their mind out with soap, methinks!  

JackO watch out for cooking with agave.  That page has a Cooking With Agave recipe book.  Look around the board for the recent threads about how cooking transforms agave, before you try it.

It is understandable that the company selling the agave will encourage everyone to try cooking with it.  The potential for increase in sales without the hassle of winning market share will drive that behaviour.  They just sell you the product.

You already know where to go to get the advice about you eating behaviour.  Dr. D' Adamo.


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Quoted from JackO
I find something very interesting in my new personalized Swami program. Having checked off for both a family history and personal history of diabetes, I find that under condiments, superfoods now have listed honey, maple syrup, molasses and blackstrap, rice syrup, and Agave syrup ... wow ..... I have never used any of these, given my diabetes .. I sure hope Swami knows what it is doing    I guess the only way I can tell is to try some of these, and test my sugars, and see what happens.

/J

Hi JackO, nice to see you on the forums, and glad that your swami has happened.
Just to show how individual the swami programs are, my (diabetic) condiments include maple syrup, barley malt and vegetable glycerine as the superfood sweetners, while the others that you listed are for me, only neutrals. The frequency for me is only 0-1 per day which is very little. so has to be regarded as a treat only.





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Someone need to go wash their mind out with soap, methinks!  

JackO watch out for cooking with agave.  That page has a Cooking With Agave recipe book.  Look around the board for the recent threads about how cooking transforms agave, before you try it.

It is understandable that the company selling the agave will encourage everyone to try cooking with it.  The potential for increase in sales without the hassle of winning market share will drive that behaviour.  They just sell you the product.

You already know where to go to get the advice about you eating behaviour.  Dr. D' Adamo.


Yes, their recipe book has a lot to be desired, but their comparison of companies who produce agave was what got my attention.

Best advice is Dr. D, and I have been following and believe in his teachings.  



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Hi JackO, nice to see you on the forums, and glad that your swami has happened.
Just to show how individual the swami programs are, my (diabetic) condiments include maple syrup, barley malt and vegetable glycerine as the superfood sweetners, while the others that you listed are for me, only neutrals. The frequency for me is only 0-1 per day which is very little. so has to be regarded as a treat only.


Hi Jenny, thanks, and yes, I got a real eye-opener with my new Swami. Vegetable glycerin is also listed on mine as a SF, and I use it occasionally with my SF grains for breakfast (along with protein). My frequency lists 0 to 1, but it does not say (for me) per day, but rather as needed.


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Looking back at my Swami, I see that mine too is 'as needed' ...that was a bit of wishful thinking to call it per day.



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Looking back at my Swami, I see that mine too is 'as needed' ...that was a bit of wishful thinking to call it per day.


Guess being a super-taster is why I've always considered sweeteners virtually essential for me?

I AM SO GLAD that sugars are now a Neutral for me!  I don't consume very much at all (bacterial overgrowth)(well, I do have honey most days) but if I'm going to consume green tea, I must have sugar or I cannot consume green tea.  The bitterness is incredible, for these lil'ol taste buds.  



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Pay attention to the portions on those sweetners.


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