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Hi all,

I just had some blood workup, and my TSH levels are quite high, but  I really don't want to take any prescription meds to control my thyroid.

After plugging that into my SWAMI, and recalculating, I noticed some pretty drastic changes to my food choices (almonds going from beneficial to black dot, chicken liver from a diamond to neutral, etc.)  Will those changes be sufficient, do you think, or are there other changes you would recommend, too?  I don't see anything in the health protocol section, so I'm not sure if there are any additional supps I should consider taking?

Thanks for your input,
Debbie


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Do you have any supps listed in the protocol section?  




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try this
http://www.northamericanpharmacal.com/PNC/productguide.html
NAP provides an online guide to help people in selecting the right supplements.
Designed for touch-screen, but also works via mouse click as well
tell it to print the 'highly recommended' ones.


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Thanks Lola, I've done that, but none of the questions asks about thyroid or other endocrine issues...  I'm just not sure that's really addressing my specific question?


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wish I had my encyclopedia here....
great protocols for thyroid.....
hope you can get one at your local library and look into it.

there also is a box for
Hx of thyroid disease in swami......am I right?


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So glad you're asking. My TSH also came back high now (but c'be cuz I've got no thyroid and whatever meds I'm on, it's not high enough dose), but my daughter has high TSH and I'm not sure what to do about it either. Letsee what we can find here...


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Encyclopedia recommends:

Metabolic Enhancement Protocol

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/22.html

Detoxification Protocol

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/14.html


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When you say high, how high.  I don't have a thyroid either (removed for thy.cancer in 1996) and with sufficient meds my TSH is actually .02.  My endo is actually decreasing my meds to get it up slightly.  He explained that sometimes when it's THAT low, you actually can gain weight.  Constant struggle for me.
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Mine is 5.4 and the lab range is .45-4.5.
We had it down to .18 but I had terrible hyper symtoms and rapid weight loss. So I decreased my dose and now it's a bit over the top of the limit. I also had thyroid removed due to cancer and supposed to be on suppressive doses, but suppressive doses make me feel so hyper...Now I feel hypo and neither hypo nor hyper is fun...


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That happened to me last year.  Reduced the dose and it flew up over 5.  Sometimes I think I don't know what really good feels like.   I'm not hyper but I don't sleep well.  Still a work in progress I guess but at least I have an endo that's extremely responsive and will try things.  I took synthroid for years and years and years.  Now I take Levoxyl plus a compounded T3 capsule.
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I called my endo and got last years' lab results to compare:

July of 2008 TSH was at 3.31
November of 2009 TSH is at 4.45

I think that's a pretty big jump for just over a year.  I've been reading about the "new" ranges they have put out, and it seems like most docs are using .3 - 3.0 rather than the old range of .45 - 4.5 (which is what my lab is using).

I guess you gals that have had yours completely removed have bigger issues than me.  My biggest complaint after the weight gain is being cold all the time.  And it seems like we're in for a killer winter this year - it's snowing again now!  I just don't think I can handle the cold this year.

I took Armour Thyroid for about a year with no noticable effect.  I quit taking it a few months before last years labs, so I assume the 3.31 was a "clean" number.  Any idea how long it would take for the meds to get out of your system, and normal function to return?

Debbie  


P.S.  Oh, and forgot to mention C-Sharp that I have ordered the two things I'm not already taking for the metabolic enhancement protocols


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It takes a while, several weeks anyway.  Most people feel optimal between 1 and 2 I believe.  Being cold is a sign that you are still not getting enough.  Is your morning temp low?

Google Mary Shomon's site on About.com for all kinds of info.
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It takes a while, several weeks anyway.  Most people feel optimal between 1 and 2 I believe.  Being cold is a sign that you are still not getting enough.  Is your morning temp low?

Google Mary Shomon's site on About.com for all kinds of info.
Jane


Very true, in that most people feel optimal between 1 and 2.  I think of the thyroid as the regulator of your system.  Your health can be affected in so many ways if the thyroid can't do it's job.
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!  I know how you feel NHG- I find myself doing it sometimes, too   I'm not sure why, but it seems to be the most over-used piece of punctuation in our country, huh?  

ABNoWay - what did you mean by Lodine?  It looks like that's a drug for RA...

I think I'm resigned to finding a new endo.  The one I really like is way south for me - about a 45 min. drive each way, and the one I found nearer to me, I didn't really care for.  She seemed really put out by my questions, and didn't seem to have much time for me - I think she has bigger fish to fry, and my tiny little thyroid problem wasn't much of a concern in her opinion.  It looks like there's another one close to where I work that I may check out, though.  I'll give his office a call next week to see how long a wait he has for newbies  


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(Oh no, I can't believe I put an apostrophe in i-t-s.  And, I don't know how to change it.  Aaaack!)


New Hampshire Girl,
Just go to the post you want to edit and look to the right of the date for a icon (box shape) that says "modify." Move cursor over the icon and you will get a drop down menu. Choose "easy edit" and make your correction. I believe you only have 48 hours to change a post. And of course, only you can change your post.
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72hrs     Still, time goes by very quick ...   Hope you all get over your health difficulties very soon.  Not much expertice in this area, so I keep in the background, but still thinking of you all and sending lots of positive energy your way.  




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New Hampshire Girl,
Just go to the post you want to edit and look to the right of the date for a icon (box shape) that says "modify." Move cursor over the icon and you will get a drop down menu. Choose "easy edit" and make your correction. I believe you only have 48 hours to change a post. And of course, only you can change your post.
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Thank you!  After being on the board for so many years you would think I'd have learned that by now.  

Stand strong, Pink.  Just remember your thyroid is very important to you.  
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!  I know how you feel NHG- I find myself doing it sometimes, too   I'm not sure why, but it seems to be the most over-used piece of punctuation in our country, huh?  

ABNoWay - what did you mean by Lodine?  It looks like that's a drug for RA...

I think I'm resigned to finding a new endo.  The one I really like is way south for me - about a 45 min. drive each way, and the one I found nearer to me, I didn't really care for.  She seemed really put out by my questions, and didn't seem to have much time for me - I think she has bigger fish to fry, and my tiny little thyroid problem wasn't much of a concern in her opinion.  It looks like there's another one close to where I work that I may check out, though.  I'll give his office a call next week to see how long a wait he has for newbies  


iodine.  Sorry, the capitol threw you off.  This is my experience.  My tsh levels are always what they're supposed to be in a medical test.  However, my temperature was consistently low and my hands and feet cold.  Then I started taking iodine as a supplement from time to time.  It seems to get my temperature up, help me not feel as tired, and my hands and feet aren't as cold.  Seems like I need it.  I'm not sure if that helps you at all, and I don't know why I'm not getting enough iodine, but that's my experience.  


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Oh!  That makes a lot more sense  


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I called my endo and got last years' lab results to compare:

July of 2008 TSH was at 3.31
November of 2009 TSH is at 4.45

I think that's a pretty big jump for just over a year.  I've been reading about the "new" ranges they have put out, and it seems like most docs are using .3 - 3.0 rather than the old range of .45 - 4.5 (which is what my lab is using).

I guess you gals that have had yours completely removed have bigger issues than me.  My biggest complaint after the weight gain is being cold all the time.  And it seems like we're in for a killer winter this year - it's snowing again now!  I just don't think I can handle the cold this year.

I took Armour Thyroid for about a year with no noticable effect.  I quit taking it a few months before last years labs, so I assume the 3.31 was a "clean" number.  Any idea how long it would take for the meds to get out of your system, and normal function to return?

Debbie  


P.S.  Oh, and forgot to mention C-Sharp that I have ordered the two things I'm not already taking for the metabolic enhancement protocols


Some people who have not found relief from Armour thyroid have issues with RT3 (reverse T3). In that case, T3 only, such as cytomel should bring you much relief. If your adrenals are adequately supported.  Also, ferritin levels need to be optimized.

There's a yahoo group with lots of info. yahoo groups on RT3, adrenals, and thyroid. Find the ones that are moderated by someone Valerie Taylor.
After weeks of sifting through her group messages I've finally found what works for me. Levoxyl had me feeling worse and worse.
Then found out I have high numbers of RT3. So now I'm taking isocort for adrenals and cytomel for thyroid replacement. It's working beautifully for me.
Wishing you best of luck! Oh, and about the cold, I am ALWAYS cold, wearing wool socks, fleece pants, and sweaters at all times! Summer is my favorite season!
Keeping my fingers crossed with my new cytomel/isocort treatment. Will see if my body warms up...



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Keep them coming - you guys are arming me with great info!  I am pretty sure that none of my docs have ever tested my T3 or T4 - just the TSH.  I'll be sure to request that next time I go in.  I think in the back of my mind, I always wondered if I was just being a hypochondriac since my TSH was always within "normal" range.  I'm finding out that normal is not always normal, though, and this additional info is helping me to keep strong in my opinion.  

Diffy, everyone always makes fun of me in the summer time, because I bring a sweater with me everywhere!  I've been known to pull one on when everyone around me is sweating in tank tops and shorts - and don't even get me started on air conditioning!!!!


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Oh, and it's snowing AGAIN!  BRRRRRRR


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