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JPage
Thursday, November 12, 2009, 7:16pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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So from BTD to GTD Hunter to Swami Explorer (as of 3 weeks ago) and I am now certain that something is not working out for me.  

Joint stiffness has improved but the anemia has steadily worsened (blood count lowered, doctor confirmed no other cause than "low iron") since the Swami shift from BTD/Hunter to Swami Explorer. Depression is worse.

Also, for the record -- these Explorer supps do give me the caffeine problems I was afraid of. When I skip or delay taking the supplements I can feel the no-more-green-tea headache start to kick in. I only take them once a day in the morning -- if I take them at lunchtime it negatively impacts my sleep for the day. This was the whole reason I went off caffeine in the first place, and now I'm facing all that again once I get through this month's worth of supplements.

Not sure what to do next. Has anyone else just not jived with their genotype? With their Swami? I've redone all my measurements -- got two fingerprints wrong and still trying to get NAP to let me change them in Swami but nothing else has changed. I've made no other lifestyle adjustments and am not on any medications.

In better news, though, my Whole Foods has started carrying turkey liverwurst, totally compliant for me and helpful for the anemia.


O- nonsecretor, troubled Swami Explorer, INFP. Happily married to an A+. Blissfully, mercifully child-free.
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Andrea AWsec
Thursday, November 12, 2009, 8:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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What foods are you eating in what portions?


What type of anemia do you have?


MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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JPage
Thursday, November 12, 2009, 8:52pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Quoted from Andrea AWsec


What foods are you eating in what portions?


What type of anemia do you have?



Good questions.

After all the requisite lab tests, my doctor comes back with "basic iron-deficiency anemia" probably from the menorrhagia. No sickle cell, no pernicious anemia, just regular vanilla low iron anemia.

As for foods, I'm eating mostly from the beneficials list, some from neutral, no black dots or avoids except once a week I'll throw tobasco or mustard on something and get a little vinegar.

Typical foods for the last 3 weeks, just off the top of my head:

Chicken eggs, one or two daily, hard boiled
Beef (brisket or patty, usually) 3-4 times a week
Lamb once or twice a week
Bone soup with all compliant ingredients, homemade, a few times a week
Sliced deli beef, not prepackaged, for snacking
Turkey dark meat, once a week
Chicken, once a week
Sardines, 2-3 tins a week, packed in water or olive oil (compliant)
Adzuki and black beans
Ghee and olive oil, sparingly

Raw dark chocolate, just a bite here and there, but daily

Rice, usually brown, sometimes white
Rice cakes
Essene/mana bread, usually rice/wheat/rye, all sprouted ingredients
raw almonds

asparagus, broccoli, spinach, garlic, ginger root, onions of all kinds, yams, pumpkin, kale, cranberries, goji berries, pomegranate, banana, passionfruit, watermelon, blueberries, figs, cherry juice, pineapple juice, ginger root tea (which I make myself), agave, yeast (both bakers and nutritional)

Meat portions are about 8-10 ounces or for snacking here and there.
Juices never more than about 6 ounces.
Nuts and berries, just a handful at a time.
Probably more fruits than veggies at this point - definitely getting servings of both every day.

Everything is organic (I shop at WF exclusively, lately) and grass-fed if it's available.


O- nonsecretor, troubled Swami Explorer, INFP. Happily married to an A+. Blissfully, mercifully child-free.
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Andrea AWsec
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When did you have the blood taken? before during or right after a period?

http://www.anemia.org/professionals/feature-articles/content.php?contentid=395&sectionid=15

Back to the GI tract again..

concentrating on supplements that heal the GI tract first is a good idea.

Did I hear someone say,
ghee??


MIFHI

"Do not try to satisfy your vanity by teaching a great many things. Awaken people's curiosity. It is enough to open minds; do not overload them." Anatole France

"Healthy people have the least overt symptoms from eating avoid foods." Dr. D'Adamo
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Thursday, November 12, 2009, 9:05pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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You should probably fix the cause of the mennorhagia.

Maybe look into a fat-soluble chlorophyll supplement.


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My heavy periods were corrected by large doses of Vitamin A before and during my period.  It took  a couple of cycles and the clotting stopped.  If I am stressed during my period, I up the dose considerably.

Vitamin A
Vitamin A is an antioxidant that generally helps to protect your cells against damage. It helps cells reproduce normally and is also needed for red blood cell production. Vitamin A deficiency has been found in women with heavy periods. One study showed that 92 percent of women prescribed supplemental vitamin A found that their heavy bleeding was either cured or alleviated.

In a study of women with menorrhagia who took 25,000 IU of vitamin A twice per day for 15 days, 93% showed significant improvement and 58% had a complete normalization of menstrual blood loss.3 However, women who are or could become pregnant should not supplement with more than 10,000 IU (3,000 mcg) per day of vitamin A.

http://alternative-medicine-an.....id=159&Itemid=74
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I've had the same thing before many times.  Ever since I added a glass of watered down juice with meals that has helped iron absorption (but not digestion).  Maybe have some juice 30 minutes after a meal and the vitamin C will help absorbing haem iron.

Dried apricots are great as an iron and vitamin c filled snack, non-sulphured ones may be good.

Chocolate has alot of phenols which interferes with iron absorption, is it ok on your SWAMI?  Maybe carob would be better?

Don't drink green tea with meals, it lowers iron absorption.
http://www.theteacentre.com.au/pages/Tea-and-Iron-Absorption-.html

Surprised your menorrhagia is still going on the diet.  Since I gave up soy it's been alot better for me.  Calcium and magnesium, vitamin K supplements seem to be helping alot too.  Like Dr D recommended chlorophil, because you may be low in Vitamin K.  http://www.ctds.info/menorrhagia.html

Looks like you're having a great diet, but there may need to be some tweaking.  Hope you feel better soon!


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JPage,

I am having similar problems. Went from the Hunter GTD to Swami Gatherer. My knees hurt so bad I want to cry, so do ankles. Didn't sleep well at all last week (had to add melatonin and have to be careful here, too much and I have heart palpitations) and very hungry and unsatisfied feeling. I hate fish, but ate  tuna 5 days last week anyway. I never get full or satisfied eating fish (besides that whole gag in your plate thing, I feel like a little kid being made to eat liver). My abdomen became very bloated and I gained 3 lbs, couldn't hardly do up my pants. Used up all my protein by Sat. Sunday I ate beef anyway and a sweet potato (now a black dot). When I got up Sunday the bloat and 3 lbs were gone.

Still taking the hunter 3 pack because 2 of pills on the gahterer pack, make me ill and break out in a rash. Feel really good on the Hunter pack and think the fish oil ahs really helped. I am working out 90 min 5 days a week and 60 min 1 day. I am going to have to increase the beef and  other protein because I felt like I was going to pass out after getting off the treadmill today. Then used the bowflex for 50 mintes and really felt crappy. Ate some chicken and sweet potato and felt much better.

Did all portions last week, including grains, but these will have to go. Haven't decided what to replace them with. Thinking of beans or nuts, maybe one fruit ( only got 2 of those). I eat losts of veggies, so don't really want any more of those. I really want to give this a fair chance and to lose weight, but I felt soooo good on the Hunter GTD, not so much now. I have put on a lot of muscle using the bowflex since July and don't think I was eating near enough to feed the muscle.

I'll give this a couple of months to see how it goes. On the positive side I got some really good veggies ( cabbage and brussel sprouts as benes) and strawberries (benes tooo) back. I plan to tweek till I have protein in the correct proportions for physical output.
Good Luck


"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."John Lennon

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Greetings KittyKar:

You might want to check that all you measurements are correctly entered into SWAMI. The diet produced by SWAMI is only as good as the data input into the program.

All numbers must be entered as decimal numbers: 3.5
and NOT as fractions: 3  1/2




JPage--definitely regenerate your diet report after the fingerprint data is corrected.  Changing two of my fingerprints switched which GenoType SWAMI identified me as.  Despite the change in GenoType my SWAMI diet only changed a little bit with the fingerprint swap, but yours might change more.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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I have measured myself 2x and hubby measured 2x. Checked and double checked, but thanks for the advise.


"A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality."John Lennon

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I don't see how you O's exercise so much.

As to JPage, I'm sure the Doctors advice is real good.  To me it sounds like you're eating enough iron, but not absorbing it.  Why, I don't know.  Leaky gut?  Do you struggle with candida, or do you know if you do?  Just a thought.  I could be completely off though.


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