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Jumari
Saturday, October 10, 2009, 1:05am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I've cut and paste this post from the "Australian GT Doctor" thread as it should in my opinion be in a category of its own.

I just did the alternative test that C-sharp suggested and got ENFP instead of ESTJ.

After entering that info I'm back to Explorer.

The thing that confuses me is the fact that my personality and preferences have changed quite dramatically over the years. I was your typical fun loving and extroverted Leo. But in the last 7 or so years I have undergone a profound spiritual transformation. Since I've discovered meditation and read/listened to books by Eckhart Tolle and others, I have mellowed and my perspectives and  outlooks have changed.

Additionally, isn't it common for people to "mellow out" or sometimes become grumpy with old age. Is an old Leo who used to be the center of attention at parties now to be considered an introvert because he/she prefers to spend time alone. Do extroverts eat more than introverts? Or vice versa?

Unfortunately for me, the fact that I am of a low GT % of Either 38% Teacher or 38% Explorer. Any slight change in the Health History section will sway me one way or the other. And there are certain staple foods that move from being Superfoods to Black dots / toxins and/or the other way around.

After all the measurements and locking box info have been entered into the Swami. The only variables I have left are; Medical History, Myers-Briggs Personality type and the obvious ones such as Weight and waist measurements. So that puts a lot of weight on making the right Myers-Briggs selection.

Someone like Jenny from Canberra, who is a 70% Warrior would not be affected by her Myers-Briggs selection. She would most probably still be a warrior.

I am not for one second disputing the validity of the test and the weight it carries in determining Genotypes. I have to say that I have every confidence in Dr D, his Father and his Team and greatly appreciate and value the amount of work that went into the research, the testing and the compiling of all the info into a neat little package called Swami Xpress. It's mind blowing and ahead of its time.

From my own individual perspective, it is a gray area due to the reasons I've presented above. Would I be better off leaving it out? Or am I better off picking the one with the highest average?
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try both and store both pdf reports in your pc.....
compare and see how much the food choices actually change.....
you gt might change, as you just posted, but your personalized diet, will not be that different for sure.


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Jumari
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Hi Lola...Thanks that was actually a handy tip.

When I left the Myer-Briggs box as optional. I came out as 37% Explorer instead of 38% explorer.

But if I were to chose ESTJ, I'm a Teacher.
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Sorry Jumari, I was intended to post this here, but post it in you old thread instead.  

Quoted from Cristina


If personality is what makes you fall in one or other group, I'll produce lists for the probably genotype labels I may find myself in synergy with depending on the situation, and restrict myself to their specific food lists.  They (the food lists) would have been designed to ensure we get the most out of our life.



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Unfortunately for me, the fact that I am of a low GT % of Either 38% Teacher or 38% Explorer. Any slight change in the Health History section will sway me one way or the other. And there are certain staple foods that move from being Superfoods to Black dots / toxins and/or the other way around.


I will put more effort in completing the health history section if that is what may sway me into one or other genotype.  Then produce the listing from it and compare it, as mentioned in my previous posting, to the other results produced with the Briggs input.

Or, as Jenny mentioned earlier, if the Briggs results are so closed and they are stressing you, just do not use them.  Remember, stress is the silent churning thing that we should try to keep off.

Review the situation after a while if you notice troublesome signs in your health.

What you are currently doing besides the diet with your meditation and reading, is fantastic and will help you maintain optimal health or speedy recoveries when needed.  




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Jumari
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I assure you that I am not one bit stressed But thanks for being concerned.

A little frustrated perhaps as I like doing things right and like being certain. This just means that I am not as yet able to buy the supplements as I am still swaying between 2 Genotypes. I have some warrior supps just sitting on the table.

I have decided to take on the Explorer Diet once again, see how we go. I've also taken Jennys advice and have decided to leave the Myers Briggs as optional. Any uncertainty would give erroneous results, so when in doubt leave it out. .

I do have more blood and urine test results coming in early next week and that might raise the percentages a bit.
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Cristina
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It sounds good Jumari.  We all go through these things and it is wonderful to have this venue to freely discuss our concerns and thoughts knowing that support is always at hand.  

Keep us informed how you progress with the explorers diet.  




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Jumari
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You are right Cristina, when it comes to Invaluable support. I rate this site as 100/100.
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Hi Jumari:

I don't know which sorter you took, but here is a longer version that seems to have accurate results.

http://similarminds.com/pref_jung.html

1.  Remember as you get older you may experience the opposite sides of your personality.  Most people stay extroverted or introverted but may change in the rest of temperaments.  I saw that in my FIL and dad.

2.  When some people are younger they will often take on the personality their work, relationships or parents need/molded them to be.  If your parents were ESTJ and ESFJ, it might have been difficult to live as an ENFP in their home.  It is down right impossible these days to be an ENFP/ENTP/INTP at school.  Also, you might have to be an ESTJ at work but you are an ENFP in real life.

3. When you do the sorter, make sure you answer the questions as you authentically feel, not as you should feel according to your readings, your family or work expectations.  It is also important to answer the questions as who you are not who you would like to be.
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My volunteer work (i.e. mothering) requires me to be much more extroverted than I'm comfortable with.  I haven't yet figured out how to deal with that.  Organizing people and resolving conflict is a nightmare for me, and yet I find that I have to do that all day, every day.     If I ever get the hang of it so that it's actually comfortable for me, I might "rank" as something different...one day.


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I like this alternate test <http://similarminds.com/pref_jung.html> because it allows you to answer what you wish you were, what you really are, and what kind of people attract you.

I came out:

Actual - ENFJ (makes me 41% Warrior)

Preferred - ISTJ or ESTJ (ties are decided randomly, so refreshing the page gives the alternate result)

I'm attracted to - ENFJ




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Well!!  Surprise!!!  I took the 'similarminds.com' test recommeded by Jeanb and Dgale in here and it gives me the following values:

Actual and preferred as ESFJ

My previous Swami Briggs was ISFJ, by just changing the I to E it changes my diet completely and now makes me a 41% Warrior!!  Before I was a 41% Teacher!!

I am also waiting on some saliva and blood secretor tests that may put the seal on one or the other.  If I have to change, I'll change.  In the meantime keep on doing what I have been doing till now.  Seems to be working fine.




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Quoted from Cristina
My previous Swami Briggs was ISFJ, by just changing the I to E it changes my diet completely and now makes me a 41% Warrior!!  Before I was a 41% Teacher!!


Most of the time with a change like this, the diet values do not change completely. A few food items shift slightly, but the diet remains mostly the same.

Going from introverted to extroverted may change the GenoType label, but in SWAMI these labels do not have much meaning.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Jumari
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Hi Jumari:

I don't know which sorter you took, but here is a longer version that seems to have accurate results.

http://similarminds.com/pref_jung.html

1.  Remember as you get older you may experience the opposite sides of your personality.  Most people stay extroverted or introverted but may change in the rest of temperaments.  I saw that in my FIL and dad.

2.  When some people are younger they will often take on the personality their work, relationships or parents need/molded them to be.  If your parents were ESTJ and ESFJ, it might have been difficult to live as an ENFP in their home.  It is down right impossible these days to be an ENFP/ENTP/INTP at school.  Also, you might have to be an ESTJ at work but you are an ENFP in real life.

3. When you do the sorter, make sure you answer the questions as you authentically feel, not as you should feel according to your readings, your family or work expectations.  It is also important to answer the questions as who you are not who you would like to be.


Jeanb...Thank you so much. That was definitely, by far, the best and most thorough personality type test yet. I like how you have 5 choices instead of 2. There were so many times with the other tests when I was a bit of this and a bit of that. It's nice to have the option to remain neutral with some and also to sway more one way without being completely that way. If you know what I mean.

I came out as an ESFP. And that still keeps me in the Explorer Category. You seem to know so much about the personality types, is this part of your profession?

Cristina...You wanna buy some discounted Warrior supplements...

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... and if you want to go further with the Jung approach, I suggest reading books writen by Al and Sidra Stone http://www.delos-inc.com/. It is all about our-selves, which one is driving the body at home, at the office, with a friend... when young, when older...

... as great as Dr D'Adamo work... on another human dimension... their work complete each other , their work support each other... Virtuous circle...
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Hi Jumari:

After I sold a business in 1996, I found myself with lots of time on my hands.  I was tapped by a national bank to become their manufacturing consultant.  I had been "typed" previously at business seminars.  

I needed a tool to understand small business people quickly and why their businesses didn't work (or did work).  I took the first level programs for MBTI, Strong, and another slew of psychological testing. I literally use MBTI every day.

I am now a hired president for a polyurethane firm and I have had all my staff and management team take it.  FYI, I am the lone N surrounded by S's but it works really well.

My 18 year old is one of my guinea pigs.  He has always tested as an ENTP and through the years I have always nudged him towards design.  He was accepted into a design program at the local technical university.  The first day all of the students were tested and low and behold the profs' told him there were only 2 of them who definitively tested as personalities well suited for this program.  The other student is an ENTP as well.  The 2 ENTP's are at the top of their class.  The ISTJ's are the ones who are suffering, they hand the calculus, physics and chem assignments in on time but cannot do the creative work easily or with charm.  

Does ESFP suit you?  I think you need to think of your personality like a house with 16 rooms in it.  You must use those rooms and go into those rooms and on occasion use the rooms you don't like to use.  You will naturally go to the room (your own personality) that you feel comfortable in most frequently.  (My 2 favorite rooms in my house are the kitchen and my bedroom, I go into the garage everyday, but it doesn't feel comfortable and I don't have the full skill set to use the tools or the plow!!!)

While I was consulting and learning more about Blood Type, I thought I could do a switch in careers so I started taking a program in nutrition.  I got through the first 2 years (chemistry, biochem, anatomy, research projects) no problem.  

I then had to do the personal assessments and I found out I couldn't do that end of the program.  I am an extremely strong ENT J/P not so strong.  I did not like the one on one really personal stuff with people.  Unfortunately, as someone who runs companies, I automatically assume I have the power and authority to change people's behavior. (Fieldmarshall style of behavioral modification).  I found in the 5 personal assessments I did, I didn't like the fact that other people would often say they wanted to change, but literally couldn't change and I would feel impotent in the process.  I hated the thought even finishing the last 5 assessments so I didn't finish the program.

When I reviewed my Strong report (a combination of MBTI and career strengths) it hit me between the eyes my strengths are as follows:

1.  Management
2.  Writing and Communications
3.  Research
4.  Marketing and Advertising
5.  Politics and Public Speaking

my top professions are:

1. Marketing Executive
2. Attorney
3. Organizational Psychologist
4. Executive (CEO/COO)
5. Computer and IT Executive

The health professions like family physician, nurse, physio therapist, dietitian/nutritionist  etc are all far down on my list.

So perhaps I should have taken my own advise and read my reports 7 years ago!!!!!  


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I did the test a while ago but I can't remember what it said. Just did it again and I'm an equal ISTJ/ISFJ. It makes no difference to my Genotype, as my measurements, blood and secretor status can only be Gatherer.

I used to work in database design, then as a massage therapist, and was a volunteer ambulance technician. Now my hobbies are music, scrap-booking and card-making, graphics design, water-colour painting. I'm an unwilling cook. Isn't that all contradictory?


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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Hi Squirrel:

Nothing is contradictory in what you like to do verses personality.  ISFJ's make great care givers (probably even the best).  The design part again is what many ISFJ's ISTJ's do well, but it often matters what type of design.

I have tried my hand numerous times at scrapbooking and card making, and even after graduating from design school, do you think I can make a beautiful scrapbook page...not in my lifetime.  Mine always look architectural and industrial.  They don't seem to emote any emotion.  

The FJ's I know make the most beautiful pages and they can decorate up a storm (attention to detail.)

There are 2 forms of design the mechanical type (invent new things and make them technically work think IBM, Dell) and the industrial type (take something and make it beautiful think the Apple line of products)
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Quoted from Cristina
Well!!  Surprise!!!  I took the 'similarminds.com' test recommeded by Jeanb and Dgale


I just took that one and got the same results as the minitest on this site--INFP. Last December my boss at the time had our department do the full Myers-Briggs test. I think it's at least 150 questions long and it took forever to do.  Her father, a psychologist, was going to score it. It then was put on the backburner as layoffs happened. I was one of the people laid off. I just asked if she ever got the results. It's possible I'll finally get mine.

My sister took the real Myers-Briggs test too, but hers may have been a more in-depth one than the one I did. She came out INFP, but recently took another test that gave her INFJ.

I'll have to run SWAMI with another result and see if anything changes.
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I love that test..The results were right on.....I'm attracted it said to the exact
description of my husband.

Here's how I scored.

Jung Explorer Test

Actualized type: INFP
(who you are)
Introverted (I) 54.55% Extroverted (E) 45.45%
Intuitive (N) 60.61% Sensing (S) 39.39%
Feeling (F) 51.85% Thinking (T) 48.15%
Perceiving (P) 63.33% Judging (J) 36.67%

INFP - "Questor". High capacity for caring. Emotional face to the world. High sense of honor derived from internal values. 4.4% of total population.
*The current algorithm breaks the tie randomly so refresh the page to see alternate results

Preferred type: INTP
(who you prefer to be)
Extroverted (E) 50% Introverted (I) 50%
Intuitive (N) 51.43% Sensing (S) 48.57%
Thinking (T) 51.85% Feeling (F) 48.15%
Perceiving (P) 62.5% Judging (J) 37.5%

INTP - "Architect". Greatest precision in thought and language. Can readily discern contradictions and inconsistencies. The world exists primarily to be understood. 3.3% of total population.

Attraction type: ENFJ
(who you are attracted to)
Extroverted (E) 66.67% Introverted (I) 33.33%
Intuitive (N) 55.88% Sensing (S) 44.12%
Feeling (F) 52.78% Thinking (T) 47.22%
Judging (J) 51.85% Perceiving (P) 48.15%

ENFJ - "Persuader". Outstanding leader of groups. Can be aggressive at helping others to be the best that they can be. 2.5% of total population.
*The current algorithm breaks the tie randomly so refresh the page to see alternate results


"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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Hi Jumari:


2.  When some people are younger they will often take on the personality their work, relationships or parents need/molded them to be.  If your parents were ESTJ and ESFJ, it might have been difficult to live as an ENFP in their home.  It is down right impossible these days to be an ENFP/ENTP/INTP at school.  Also, you might have to be an ESTJ at work but you are an ENFP in real life.



This particular statement made me look at myself. I wonder if my line of work has forced me to change. I am a professional Singer /Guitarist but looking back at when I begun fronting a band, I was petrified and full of self doubt. I even had to drink alcohol for some dutch courage. It took a long time before I became more comfortable with my role. But I had to act and look the part and not show anyone that I was nervous or in anyway scared on the inside.

Nowadays, I still do jobs suited to extroverts like being an MC/DJ at weddings and continue performing as a Solo artist. To be honest it still scares me. The only thing that has improved is my ability to cover up the nerves.

From an Astrological perspective, I've always also known that Leos tend to be extroverted and like being Center of Attention, and maybe assumed that I had to be that way. But I am definitely a shy Leo whos job description has forced a personality type change.

So I assume Jeanb that you completely support the fact that certain personality types correspond to specific Genotypes?

I have to be honest and say that I'm not 100% sold on it. There are too many variables at play. Such as changing moods or state of mind while taking the test. And like you say, external factors influencing your personality / inclinations.
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I decided to go through all the different Personality types and change them one by one to see how it affected my Genotype.

I get Explorer with all execpt ISTJ and ISFJ, these two make me a Teacher.
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Hi Jumari:

I have real difficulties with the correlations between personality and genotype.  

I know far too many people with far too many different types of personalities (healthy and unhealthy) as well as different types of motivations (I am an ENTJ who is motivated by curiosity, physical activity, power, and honor)to be able to easily reconcile personality and genotype.  

I wish the books/swami used personality in a different way.  I think the books appeal to NT/NF people especially, but they have a hard time actually sticking to things.  SJ/FJ people want more detail on the actual meal planning and need to understand why calories in don't especially mean calories out on this diet and probably wanted to see before and after pictures of successful dieters.  

It would be nice if somehow the swami could incorporate the need for different types for different information somehow.

I wonder if you had to change your personality in order to be in front of audiences?  You might be a borderline E who still needs quiet to gain energy.
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I can perform in front of people without any trouble.  I actually do very well, surprisingly.  I can't speak in front of people, unless I'm sitting down "as a peer", and then I can do it, like leading a group discussion, but I can act and I can sing and play my flute.  Isn't that going against my nature as an ISTJ?

I couldn't care less about what the clock says.

I can design stuff like scrapbook pages, but it does look a little too stiff and organized and symmetrical unless I have LOTS of time and NO distractions and can sink into my right brain. Then I can come up with some pretty neat things.


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Hey Ribbit...It's the same with me. I can sing and play guitar with no problems. Way back when I started with bands,  it was having to say things between songs that got me nervous. Especially cause I was a foreigner in a new country and thought they'd make fun of my accent. All in my head ofcourse.

Well I'm happy to say that. Its all done. I have completed every single test necessary for Swami. All the blood test and every box and measurement is ticked, double checked and confirmed. Even the medical tests came in today. All I have is higher than normal cholesterol. I am also feeling better about being an ENFP. But regardless of whether or not I put that in. I am still an Explorer and that is that. Let us explore the possiblities of Swami Geno Type.
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Hi Ribbit:

Nothing you do goes against your nature.  You are unique within your "ISTJ ness."

On the full MBTI printouts, you would get different dimensions of your personality.  

As an ENTJ I am
(out of preference)

late starting
compassionate
pressure prompted
intimate


These facets are out of preference with the baseline of ENTJ but these make me unique as an ENTJ.  So as you can see your out of prefences facets make you unique as an ISTJ.
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