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Peppermint Twist
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And, thank the Lord above, I am a Gatherer for sure!  ...Well, maybe not for sure, if fingerprints can tip the balance, because frankly I didn't follow standard procedure for determining fingerprint patterns, I simply peered at them under fluorescent desk lights (I knew those would serve a purpose someday--I usually never turn them on), which I'm sure was a terribly inadequate way of determining anything, so like I said, I hope having your fingerprint patterns correct is not crucial to the overall outcome.  SWAMI did say that my fingerprint patterns don't really fit my bloodtype, however, that only made SWAMI even more certain I really am a Gatherer because apparently it is typical for a Gatherer's print patterns NOT to be typical for their blood type.

SWAMI decided to put me on a hybrid of the BTD and GTD.  All I know after a cursory first glance is that I not only got KALE back but it is a superfood and a genoharmonic superstar!  I don't even understand the genoharmonic thing but I'll have to study it more.  I can't tell if you are supposed to eat ALL the foods listed in a table cell together, or just ANY of them with the main food listed to its left.  By the way, I not only got chicken back as a neutral (I knew it all along  ), but it is a genoharmonic superfood for me, too.  So are blueberries and cherries and a bunch of other stuff.  So much to study, so little time!

Beef is back as a superfood (knew that all along, too...you can take the girl off the BTD but you'll never take the BTD outta the girl...or something like that).

Anyway:

"Your results: 50 % of your epigenetic variation is encapsulated in the GT2 Gatherer profile.

Interpretation: Strong Association with GT2 Gatherer"


All right, sir!  

"Calculator Points:

Torso to Leg Ratio /Characteristic of Gatherer.
Your torso is longer than your legs.
Your upper leg longer than your lower leg.
Ring to Index Finger Ratios /Characteristic of Gatherer.
Your index finger is longer than your index finger on both hands.
Your ABO blood type (O) is characteristic of Gatherer.
Rh positive blood type is often observed in Gatherer GenoType.
Non-secretor status is a strong marker for Gatherer GenoType.
Strength Testing, First Pass

Endomorphic somatotype /Characteristic of Gatherer.
Gynic upper leg space /Characteristic of Gatherer.
Strength Testing, Second Pass

Ethnicity strength points /Characteristic of Gatherer.
MBI JP(J) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Gatherer.
Ridge patterns asymmetrical to blood group /Characteristic of Gatherer."


I'll bet that fingerprints are one of the permanent fields that you can't change once you run SWAMI, which is why, ideally, I would have waited until I did 'em correctly.  But curiousity killed this cat and I just had to DO IT, baby!

Kale is back!  Oh yeah!  (Been eating it anyway.   )


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P.S.  That rat fink SWAMI concurred with the BTD and the GTD and said that sunflower seeds are an avoid for me.  ...I'm starting to think that maybe sunflower seeds actually are an avoid for me.


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Congrats Peppermint!


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I can't tell if you are supposed to eat ALL the foods listed in a table cell together, or just ANY of them with the main food listed to its left.


that s right!
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you can take the girl off the BTD but you'll never take the BTD outta the girl...





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PT....glad you did SWAMI....50% Gatherer is a pretty great fit...(Or I think it was determined to be "how a Gatherer genotype fits you".... I'm 42% Teacher.  And many
of us are BTD/GTD hybrids. Me for one.

I too was thinking I'd have to eat all the foods on that genoharmonic food list..but it's
one starred food (and I usually choose the highest starred items) plus  one or more from its complimentary group. Easy to follow.

And you must have awesome eyesight to see your fingerprints by just looking under a bright light.. Your fingerprints must be well defined if you can see them clearly, which probably means your gut is in pretty good shape. I still have some fingerprints I can't read on a print nor are they well defined enough to see when looking through a magnifying glass.

Good luck on your new SWAMI...


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Well, very slight bummer:  can't run the meal planner feature on account of...wait for it...IE6 being our browser here.  Oh well.  I like to plan my own meals anyway, so there.  Last night, for example, I had a joyful ball cooking up a batch of brown basmati rice with onion, garlic and adobo seasoning for use throughout the week, and then making my lunch for today, which was the aforementioned garlic-n-onion infused brown basmati rice with turkey, tons of fresh basil leaves chiffonaded up (I know:  one does not say "chiffonaded up"...fine, make it "tons of fresh chiffonade of basil" then, if you are going to be that way about it), cut up fresh raw carrot, organic mayo (I know), lemon juice, sea salt, and approximately one ton of curry powder.  UMMMMMM:  a superfood fiesta!  And even though I usually don't eat anything after dinner (not that that is a "RULE" of mine or anything, but I generally don't eat after dinner), the fresh carrot was calling me so I went WILD and had a fresh carrot at 9:31 p.m. and it was so delish.  As I danced around the kitchen, munching my carrot, putting my rice into Gladware, and getting my lunch prepared for today, it hit me yet again how JOYFUL one's diet can be when one is on the right diet.  As Dr. D.'s quote in my siggy line says, the right diet will always make you feel better, not worse.

How well I remember all those DECADES (how any Type O Gatherer lived through the '80's and '90's, I'll never know) of being told that wheat was king, meat was BAD, fat was SUPERBAD, and we should all live on pasta, tofu, rice cakes and alfalpha sprouts.     Oh, there was no joyful dancing around the kitchen back then.  No, those were bleak times for O's and thrify genotypes, baby.  Never again will I believe that any diet that makes me feel that uninspired, constricted, restricted, unhappy and unhealthy is actually "health food".  Health food is the right food for you!  It makes you feel satisfied, steady, clear, strong, in balance, happy, and like dancing around the kitchen.  The right diet will always make you feel better, not worse.

Anyway, kale is back and so is AVOCADO, which rocks because I have an avocado TREE (and thus totally ignored how avocado plummetted from an O nonnie beneficial to a Gatherer avoid  ).

One question for youzzz lot:  why are neutrals listed?  I LOVE in the GTD how no neutrals are listed, so one can just assume everything that is not a superfood or a toxin to avoid is gloriously NEUTRAL.  But in SWAMI, there are neutrals listed, and a scant few at that.  Opposum is one of 'em (Lord knows we have plenty of those about my 'hood...but I shriek upon seeing them, so I don't think eating one will be in the cards...they are not my cuppa kukicha!).



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FWIW, I did my figerprints on paper and they were the same as when I looked at them with my eyeballs.  


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FWIW, I did my figerprints on paper and they were the same as when I looked at them with my eyeballs.  


You have super high functioning eyeballs just like PT...  Feel very grateful



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You have super high functioning eyeballs just like PT...  Feel very grateful

Well, one of my eyeballs is 20/15 and one is 20/200, so I must have been mainly using the 20/15 one to eyeball the fingerprint patterns.     Plus, these fluorescent desk lights are STRONG here, oh my.  You could operate on someone just by the ceiling fluorescent lights alone in here, but then you add to it the desk lights and, yeah, I could see my fingerprints.  Still, it is hard to do it this way, and I dare say probably not accurate.  Especially with your thumb, it is hard to contort it and/or your head this way and that to attempt to see if you have two triangle thingies or just one, which you need to see to ascertain if you have loops or whorls, per the awesome youtube video on determining your fingerprint patterns.  There is a good change I have loops, or a "composite" on some fingers, but I put "whorl" for all except one pinky, which seems to have NO prints, so I went with composite.  

Anyway...I hope your prints aren't like the hanging chad of SWAMI in that, if you put the wrong thing, it can change the results by much.  It is probably more of a strength testing thing, so I'm guessing it wouldn't actually change your genotype, BUT it could sure impact the diet recommendations.  Oh well.  All I know is, kale and avocado are back with a superfood vengeance.  The world makes sense again.  



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Why are neutrals listed in SWAMI?

Neutrals probably don't have epigenetic benefits but do have nutritional benefits...ie
antioxidants, vitamins, minerals which provide the body with a variety of proper fats, proteins and carbs. I think they just help you round out your diet and be able to
prepare meals that might become too restrictive if you stick to only the 'haves and have nots".  Makes it easier to eat out, I've found.

It's rather my own take on this.....that neutrals give you more options, and do no harm
but we all know we're better off with diamonds and superfoods.  In my genoharmonic food groups, some of these neutrals become more powerful when combined with a food that is a beneficial or diamond...

Neutrals, I believe are simply benign foods which aren't particularly good or bad for us.



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Why are neutrals listed in SWAMI?

Neutrals probably don't have epigenetic benefits but do have nutritional benefits...ie
antioxidants, vitamins, minerals which provide the body with a variety of proper fats, proteins and carbs. I think they just help you round out your diet and be able to
prepare meals that might become too restrictive if you stick to only the 'haves and have nots".  Makes it easier to eat out, I've found.

It's rather my own take on this.....that neutrals give you more options, and do no harm
but we all know we're better off with diamonds and superfoods.  In my genoharmonic food groups, some of these neutrals become more powerful when combined with a food that is a beneficial or diamond...

Neutrals, I believe are simply benign foods which aren't particularly good or bad for us.


I wasn't really asking what neutrals are all about, just why they are specifically listed in SWAMI versus just listing the superfoods and avoids and advising us that all other foods are neutrals, like the GenoType Diet book does.  Thing is, SWAMI only lists a few neutrals in each category, so where does that leave the vast numbers of other foods that are not Superfoods, Toxins to Avoid, or Neutrals?  I like the GTD way of doing it, as it elegantly leaves no foods out.  You are to assume anything not listed is a neutral.  But with SWAMI, I don't know:  1.) what to assume about unlisted foods, or 2.) if a listed neutral is somehow better than a food that isn't listed at all:  sort of like listed neutrals are a Tier 1 (better tier) and unlisted are a tier 2 (or tier between listed neutrals and avoids).

I'm assuming anything not listed is neutral unless I hear otherwise.


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Could it be that neutrals that are not listed are food that haven't been tested yet?


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I also did my fingerprints by looking at them under bright sunlight.  I'm very nearsighted and can see anything up close.  They were really easy to see that way.
I did then screw up entering them, and had to ask NAP to change them for me.
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Congrats on your confirmation of gatherer status. It has done so well for you that it had to be. It's so nice to have this extra info. May you enjoy SWAMIing, GTDing & whatever you need. I was glad to get avocados back as netural. That  made sense to me, too.


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Quoted from Chloe
Could it be that neutrals that are not listed are food that haven't been tested yet?


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the neutrals have been tested......and they appear randomly depending on GT in their lists, as SFs, Neutrals, or Toxin, avoids.....


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You have super high functioning eyeballs just like PT...  Feel very grateful



They don't function super high at about 4-5 feet though.  hehehehe.  But yes, at least they do work well at close!!!!!  



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My neutrals lists are miles long, as are the avoids.  I only have long superfoods listed for veggies and fish, my two favorite food groups in the whole world  

I can see all my loops, along with all my lovely white lines, with just my eyeballs in bright light, too.  My toes are harder, but only because my big tummy gets in the way of getting my feet up close enough to see them  




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Congrats PT on your Gatherer validation from SWAMI. Now you have the best food list...(unless you went to see the good doctor)  
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Congrats PT on your Gatherer validation from SWAMI. Now you have the best food list...(unless you went to see the good doctor)  

You don't suppose that the likelihood that I massively screwed up the fingerprint data would sway the results too much, do ya?  I got trigger happy to run SWAMI and just basically watched the video on fingerprints, eyeballed my prints, and took a wild stab.

Not the most scientific of approaches, but what do you want from an INFJ?



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If you determine what your correct fingerprint values are, you should notify NAP to have the locked fields reset.  

I know that swapping two fingerprint values for me switches the reported GenoType (diet changes are not dramatic--But they are different).


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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You don't suppose that the likelihood that I massively screwed up the fingerprint data would sway the results too much, do ya?  I got trigger happy to run SWAMI and just basically watched the video on fingerprints, eyeballed my prints, and took a wild stab.

Not the most scientific of approaches, but what do you want from an INFJ?



Should I mention that I asked Dr. D about the finger prints and he said that it wasn't all that important...my head was important..long head.. (I hate the shape of my head) (Warrior Disclaimer: but that could just have been in my case..)You know it's going to bug you. Just get a kit from NAP or someplace and do it for fun..
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I know that swapping two fingerprint values for me switches the reported GenoType (diet changes are not dramatic--But they are different).


Yeah, but you're still a Teacher if you do it.... right?  
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Yeah, but you're still a Teacher if you do it....


Teacher if prints correctly entered.
Warrior if I incorrectly enter fingerpints in SWAMI.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Teacher if prints correctly entered.
Warrior if I incorrectly enter fingerpints in SWAMI.


Hmm. That's interesting. You must have a fine line between the two to have your fingerprints tip the scales like that.  
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