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Andrea AWsec
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Any one with thyroid issues losing weight with the SWAMI?

I suspect yes, just looking for confirmation.


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Yes!  I am hypothyroid and losing weight with SWAMI.


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Glad to hear it. I just put a bug in my friends ear about SWAMI she is hypothyroid and the doctor told her it would be a miracle if she actually lost weight at this point in her life.

I would love to work with her we'll see if she takes me up on the offer.
I'll bet she is eating that lovely whole wheat that everyone raves about.


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Wheat seems to make the T4 go down and the TSH go up for me.  When I get rid of it, they switch and my normal body temp goes up.  Very strange, but I assume that means it's all working better.




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Last time I did ER4YT for a long time my need for the thyroid meds went down and continued to decrease until I went off the diet.  My Rx went up and up and up.  Now I've been BTDing for 1 month then SWAMI for a month and I'm looking forward to my test next month and hopefully being able to decrease my meds again.  
Oh, this my help your friend too.  My weight went up consistently, even while on a 1200 calorie per day diet, until I added Cytomel to my regimen. It's T3 and is thought to help with the weight.  


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Quoted from Plucky
Wheat seems to make the T4 go down and the TSH go up for me.  When I get rid of it, they switch and my normal body temp goes up.  Very strange, but I assume that means it's all working better.


Oh!  That may answer a question I've had.  On the Warrior diet, wheat was fine for me, but on SWAMI it's an avoid.  I didn't know why it was "taken away", but I wasn't thrilled at losing it.  Maybe it's because of my underactive thyroid.


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Last time I did ER4YT for a long time my need for the thyroid meds went down and continued to decrease until I went off the diet.  My Rx went up and up and up.  Now I've been BTDing for 1 month then SWAMI for a month and I'm looking forward to my test next month and hopefully being able to decrease my meds again.  
Oh, this my help your friend too.  My weight went up consistently, even while on a 1200 calorie per day diet,[color=yellow][/color] until I added Cytomel to my regimen. It's T3 and is thought to help with the weight.  


On a 1200 Cal diet that is a starvation diet, unless you are very small in stature. That's even less than I would take in on a 'cutting' phase for bodybuiling( 100lbs * 14kCAL= 1400 kCAL Min) pre-show.  Therefore this causes your body to go into keep everything it can mode. This I learned in my advanced nutrition class and advanced exercise physiology class. From experience I have learned to feed myself even if it is more than I am alotted because if I listen and I feed myself the good food I need and the occasional Chocolate (1in x 1in x .25 in) 1 or 2. I can change my weight for the better rather  than eating that 1 lb 60--70% dark chocolate bar. I learned that by having a day I rewrded my self, typically Sunday also my mandatory rest day. Usually a cane soda and some extra choclate, but only what was satisfying nothing more-Not to gluttony. that worked for me, doesn;t work for everyone. I take from a lot of sources and what makes sense I do and what doesn't I don't. I follow Dr. D's Admonition 'Use what you can and leave the rest'. But I do follow most of what he has put out and am happy with the result.


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I'm wondering about my sister, who is B and has major hypothyroid stuff.

She told me she tried to do the Blood Type Diet and it didn't work for her. I asked her if she did it full on, and she said yes.

I suggested that she try Genotype but she is reluctant-- but maybe she needs SWAMI?

I don't know if I can get her to do the secretor thing but  am going to work on getting her to do the measurements this month.

Any Bs out there who are dealing with this?
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Has your sister tried desiccated thyroid supplements such as Westhroid?  I couldn't lose weight on Synthroid and had success on Westhroid.  I have followed BTD for 11 years and will always follow it.  Still, I don't dare overeat or the pounds will come back on.  I also found vitamin B supplements help the energy tremendously.  I take a lot of supplements but that's my choice.
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I'm hypothyroid with Hashimoto's (autoimmune on thyroid).  I'm on NO MEDS at the moment (long boring story) and earlier this year cleaned up my diet (not Geno) by eating no grains, sugar, or dairy.  I lost 25 lbs. in a normal consistent manner.  I got bored/lazy on the diet and regained 8 lbs.  Since I started Geno three days ago - SWAMI on order so I'm on basic Geno for HUNTER - and I've already lost 2.5 lbs.  

So, YES~!, eating correctly does help your thyroid function more properly


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I'm wondering about my sister, who is B and has major hypothyroid stuff.

She told me she tried to do the Blood Type Diet and it didn't work for her. I asked her if she did it full on, and she said yes.

I suggested that she try Genotype but she is reluctant-- but maybe she needs SWAMI?

I don't know if I can get her to do the secretor thing but  am going to work on getting her to do the measurements this month.

Any Bs out there who are dealing with this?

I am having problems losing weight with B non-secretor diet, and swami/explorer diet.  Maybe thyroid is partly to blame, who knows.  You can check out my various posts for my many whinings on lack of weight loss.
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I struggle with hypothyroid.  It was better, but now it is worse again.  But I don't gain weight.  I weigh 130 lbs.  For me, it makes no difference.  In fact, it may even contribute to weight loss.  For me.  Not everyone.

So, my doctor wants me to start taking Armor Thyroid medication and they are on this national back order dilemma.   Anyone have any?  

For now I'm taking iodine and I've got a bottle of fucus plus coming.  Hopefully that will help.  And I'm starting to take taurine which may help that too I guess.  

No chocolate here though.  Well, maybe an ounce here and there once in a while.


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Struggled with thyroid issues most of my life until I was able to find a doctor who prescribed bio identical thyroid for me.

When one has low thyroid that is not properly controlled, one must eat a low calorie diet.  The stuff about lowering metabolism doesn't work in this case because the metabolism is already compromised. It almost becomes a what came first situation, the chicken or the egg.

I found if I didn't want to gain huge amounts of weight while having the thyroid issues, I had to eat about 1200 cal per day plus a lot of exercise.  I still gained weight in spite of exercise and low calories, even on a O nonnie diet.  

When I start on thyroid hormone, I could eat normal amounts (for me between 1800 and 2200) and lose fat at the same time.
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So, my doctor wants me to start taking Armor Thyroid medication and they are on this national back order dilemma.   Anyone have any?  


ABNOWAY...Armour thyroid med is made from pigs and synthroid is synthetic (sorry if this is repeated info).  Some people do much better on Armour however, the timing of taking it is more involved.  In either case thyroid meds must be taken the exact same way every day and certain foods must be avoided within 4 hours of taking it.  For instance, thyroid med must be taken on an empty stomach and one is not to eat for 1 hour after.  No calcium sups or things like walnuts should be taken/eaten within 4 hours of taking the med (many docs forget to inform you of all of this).  What makes Armour more difficult is I believe it needs to be taken more than once a day.  However, many find it far superior to the sytnhetic versions like Levothyroxine or Synthroid.  Yes, I've heard often that Armour can be more difficult to get a hold of.  I'm on Synthroid myself because of radiation damage to my thyroid.

One thing to remember about your thyroid is that it is in control of a lot more than your weight.  Your mood, blood pressure, heart rate, digestion, b-12 absorption and many other things are subject to a properly functioning thyroid.  Stress and illness can throw it out of whack as well as so many other diseases and issues.  What I'm saying here is it is important to keep it closely monitored if you have a problem and do everything you can to keep it in the proper range.  Some docs think a higher TSH is acceptable and it is not for optimum health.

When I keep my body in balance, despite my thyroid issues I still can lose weight.  Maybe a little slower but it still comes off.  Building muscle helps a lot for me.
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Try Hopkinton Drug in Hopkinton MA for the Armour.  You can google it for their number.  The owner and compounding pharmacist is Dennis Katz.
They compound and bought a lot of the powder before the shortage.  Last time I checked a few weeks ago they had plenty.  I take both Levoxyl and a compounded T3 with Armour in it.  I had my thyroid removed in 1996 and I'm on a suppressive dose because of thyroid cancer.  You'd think with a virtually non existent TSH I'd be skinny as a rail - no such luck  It's a constant and on-going struggle.  
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I feel ya Jane.  My TSH is .5 and I'm far from skinny.  It is a struggle.  Wow...you had the real info there Jane!
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Mine's usually even less. My endo actually just reduced my meds hoping to bring it up slightly.  
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ABNOWAY...Armour thyroid med is made from pigs and synthroid is synthetic (sorry if this is repeated info).  Some people do much better on Armour however, the timing of taking it is more involved.  In either case thyroid meds must be taken the exact same way every day and certain foods must be avoided within 4 hours of taking it.  For instance, thyroid med must be taken on an empty stomach and one is not to eat for 1 hour after.  No calcium sups or things like walnuts should be taken/eaten within 4 hours of taking the med (many docs forget to inform you of all of this).  What makes Armour more difficult is I believe it needs to be taken more than once a day.  However, many find it far superior to the sytnhetic versions like Levothyroxine or Synthroid.  Yes, I've heard often that Armour can be more difficult to get a hold of.  I'm on Synthroid myself because of radiation damage to my thyroid.

One thing to remember about your thyroid is that it is in control of a lot more than your weight.  Your mood, blood pressure, heart rate, digestion, b-12 absorption and many other things are subject to a properly functioning thyroid.  Stress and illness can throw it out of whack as well as so many other diseases and issues.  What I'm saying here is it is important to keep it closely monitored if you have a problem and do everything you can to keep it in the proper range.  Some docs think a higher TSH is acceptable and it is not for optimum health.

When I keep my body in balance, despite my thyroid issues I still can lose weight.  Maybe a little slower but it still comes off.  Building muscle helps a lot for me.


Thanks for the info.  At this point I'm hoping I don't have to take it.  My thyroid was fine, I think, before I had this last flu.  Then it got all out of whack.  And yeah, it is integral to a lot of functions in the body.  That I know. But before I had this last flu, my temperature was consistently what it should be, and I hadn't had any heart arrhythmia's in a  while and I was feeling real good.  Then at the beginning of December I got the flu real bad and I've been struggling to get better.  I had an episode where I coughed and the arrhythmia I get showed up and didn't go away for hours and I ended up in the hospital.  Then I've been taking medication for that ever since.  I'm starting to ween myself off of that now and hopefully the iodine and fucus plus will help get my thyroid back to where it should be.  Or close.  


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I've spent the past 12 months focussed on my diabetes control which is now so good that I don't take any meds for diabetes anymore, only correct diet (swami) and good simple exercise. However it may be time to address my thyroid which is the initial cause of my joining the D'adamo gang 8 years ago. I have lost weight really well on GTD and swami, that is no longer an issue, but my TSH has gone up, and my thyroid meds have increased by 50% recently.
An interesting thing for me is that a week ago I decided to drop all supplements such as vitamins, calcium, probiotics,etc etc at least for a bit of a break, and my whole digestion has radically improved. I think that my close adherence to portions, and types of food, to an extent that far outweighs what I had done in the preceeding years, has resulted in such a well balanced system that foods alone are doing it for me. Except for the thyroid situation.



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I need to do that too sometime.  Just chuck them all for a bit.  There's a few I should not do without just yet though.  Like Glutathione.  And cod liver oil is always good.  IMHO.


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Interesting that the protocols listed in Dr D's Fatigue book always has you taking a 2 week break from the supplements after being on it for 4 weeks.  Supplements that strengthen/fix the body should not be needed on an ongoing basis.  Only things that we should be getting in food that for some reason is lacking in food these days would be needed on an ongoing basis.  

By the way, I've had some interesting experiences with my thyroid.  I had been on Armour Thyroid for awhile (originally was on compounded T3, but found I got freezing cold 6 hours after taking it, though I was supposed to take it only twice a day;  with Armour it lasts all day).  I then went on HGC for weight loss and found that it fixed my thyroid for about a year.  After a year I needed it again, but when I went on HGC again I no longer needed Armour again.  I am still in the 'don't need it' phase.  Most of the time I feel comfortable setting the house temperature at 73 degrees.  Before I starting taking thyroid originally I was freezing cold with about 3 layers of clothing on and a couple of blankets on me with the house temperature at 80 degrees (my poor husband).  When I would run out of thyroid meds, not only would I get cold again, but I would get sick and would stay sick until my thyroid meds came, up to 3 months at a time.  After HCG without thyroid meds, not cold, not sick (flu/cold).

However, being on thyroid never helped me loose weight.  Thyroid helping with weight is pretty rare.  One friend of mine who needed thyroid was very thin.  Being on thyroid got rid of her migraines, but had nothing at all to do with weight.
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I've spent the past 12 months focussed on my diabetes control which is now so good that I don't take any meds for diabetes anymore, only correct diet (swami) and good simple exercise. However it may be time to address my thyroid which is the initial cause of my joining the D'adamo gang 8 years ago. I have lost weight really well on GTD and swami, that is no longer an issue, but my TSH has gone up, and my thyroid meds have increased by 50% recently.
An interesting thing for me is that a week ago I decided to drop all supplements such as vitamins, calcium, probiotics,etc etc at least for a bit of a break, and my whole digestion has radically improved. I think that my close adherence to portions, and types of food, to an extent that far outweighs what I had done in the preceeding years, has resulted in such a well balanced system that foods alone are doing it for me. Except for the thyroid situation.


Jenny,
Do you take NAPS?  I noticed when I took a weeks break from my vits the same thing happened to me.  I do need to ease back because I don't think I can do w/o the Phytocal & magnesium.  I'll just wait a few weeks b4 starting on a low dosage.

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