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JJR
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I referring to someone else s post AB.....


OK, gotcha, sorry about that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    


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Just a couple of quick questions, sorry if I'm in the wrong place.

Do I have to buy two SWAMI DVDs, one for me and one for my DH? Or can we both use the same software? Here in Singapore we are being charged the equivalent of US$100 for your US$70 package.

I'll be honest, I'm scared to try it. 10-ish months ago while I was waiting for GTD to arrive, I asked the question - am I going to lose yet more foods from my already limited list? Dr D himself answered me by quoting the part about how in "almost all" cases the food choices are better or something (can't find the post now). But I was one of the exceptions with my food choices being drastically cut and replaced by stuff that we can't get here. I feel the need for some encouragement with spending all those bucks on SWAMI.


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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you buy one swami for each of you.....that makes 2....is hub following GTD as well?

does he feel the same way about his food plan?


fresh produce you can get anywhere......and we might be able to help you find anything specific through internet....

I have learned to survive cooking everything from scratch...
and I, like you, do not get anything most people in the US
can buy at WFS.


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Ouch. Ah well.

Neither of us is following the GTD. I tried it for a month, lost a stupid amount of weight and went back on the BTD. Then the BTD/GTD questionnaire came out and it came up BTD for us both.

Hubby doesn't care one way or the other about his food plan, bless him. Not much makes him feel sick, avoids or not. He eats and enjoys the compliant food I put in front of him, or junk when I'm not there. But at least it's sushi or chicken junk for my A-nonnie rather than beef junk these days.  

I have also learned to survive cooking everything from scratch. Much of the fresh produce here is untested, so it's a lot of trial and error, and possibly the reason why things still aren't right. I know it's all progress and new research, but I have been feeling that the BTD is not being supported in the same way as the GTD. There are a lot more foods tested for GTD than BTD, even though BTD is still an accepted, marketed diet in its own right.

Hopefully SWAMI will sort all that out.


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.

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Hi, I am still a bit confused about how you decide whether to do BTD/GTD because surely foods are either ok for you or they're not. When I was doing BTD I was eating several foods that were AB beneficials and are avoids for Nomads. The most glaring example was eating spelt for years and then doing the GT calculator and finding white lines all over my fingerprints. I'm looking forward to doing SWAMI with Dr Tom Greenfield because, over all my 8 or 9 years of doing either BTD/GTD I've always felt that, although it's going on the right lines, it hasn't quite hit the spot for me and I'm hoping that SWAMI will..
I'm sure that the question of BTD conflicting with GTD foods must have come up before, so apologies if I'm being tedious here and also if I'm missing a point about choosing between the two, but I don't understand how a (probably) gluten intolerant Nomad could choose to go back to the AB diet. SWAMI, on the other hand, as I understand it, seems like the logical evolution of both ideas.
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Hubby doesn't care one way or the other about his food plan, bless him.


good!
that makes buying one swami easier!!!

and more affordable!


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...because surely foods are either OK for you or they're not.


You'd think so, but that is not really true.


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It will be interesting for me too seeing that I am so allergic to wheat, eggs, all dairy and pineapple...could it go deeper??





Mom to 4 B's...living with extreme food allergies to wheat, all dairy, eggs and pineapple !! ( Me, not the kids..)
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It will be interesting for me too seeing that I am so allergic to wheat, eggs, all dairy and pineapple...could it go deeper??


Yes



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Quoted from Dr. D

Quoted from Frances AB
because surely foods are either OK for you or they're not.


You'd think so, but that is not really true.


Foods marked with a black dot in Genotype or Swami can be re-introduced occasionally after an initial complete avoidance.  Also digestion function will improve as you work with the diet.  Use of deflect to force out lectin damage will take quite some time, rolling back years of lectin-borne health issues.  There are more examples that I cannot think of just now.

When you purchase the Swami Xpress diet it will adapt to a very personalized "You" diet.  You fill out your profile for this.  The diet can be changed to suit changes in yourself (successful weight loss) or become more accurate as you are able to answer more of the questions for your diet profile.  You are welcome to the help here on the board.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.

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There are more examples that I cannot think of just now.


take the health series books as an example on how food varies according to your issues, or disease susceptibilities, so not all
foods are either ok for you or they re not.....many variables come into play, thus swami s accurate personalized food choices.


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Thank you for your replies, v helpful - Dr D's a bit enigmatic but I think I see what you all mean. Basically, the effect that individual foods have will change as a person's health profile changes with compliance with the "right" diet. Presumably it's possible that some of the AB ok foods that didn't really agree with me might be ok after a period of eating an individualised diet. I find this very exciting because I've always felt that the approach is sound but the regimes I've followed (AB then various GTs until settling on Nomad) haven't been quite right.  Incidentally, possibly like many people here, the thing that got me started on the diet in the first place was seeing in the avoid column a whole load of foods that I'd stopped eating of my own volition because I'd realised, in some cases years before, that they made me feel ill: kidney beans, oranges, mangoes, blue cheese to name but a few.
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We did it. We bought one each. I've just done mine, doing hubby's tonight. As I'm the food preparer around here, I'm just praying that there will be a workable overlap between the food lists. And that the foods listed will be available in the UK.


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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... And that the foods listed will be available in the UK.


To help identify foods in the UK set the preferred vernacular on the "Manage Your Account Page."

Preferred Vernacular:


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Okay, now I'm confused and a little frustrated - yesterday, it said my order was boxed and ready to ship, and now it says "web order received" again!

Should I be concerned?  Or just patient?  


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there s a customer service number....
try that


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False alarm!  I just got home from work, and SWAMI was in my mailbox - yea!

I can't wait to get it loaded


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Another question - I'm very slender and have never been doing the BTD/GTD to lose weight but to boost my health (I have an autoimmune condition). I'm not sure if this is right but I seem to get the impression that people doing SWAMI want to lose weight, is that right?

I have contacted Dr Tom Greenfield (tip form Lola) so already feel that I'm on the way to being able to improve my diet even more. Thanks again to all.

With Dr Greenfield you would be better off than using Swami Xpress; you are in good hands.  My understanding from both of their forewords was that Dr, Greenfield also noticed the "genotype phenomenon" (intuiting that the patient was going to be a difficult Explorer or Warrior).  They have at least used each other as sounding boards for ideas, but the collaboration is likely deeper than that.

Just to answer you question about Swami; it is a dynamic hybrid of blood type and genotype approaches.  The emphasis is determined by your current needs.  As your needs change you can and should re-generate your Swami report.


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To help identify foods in the UK set the preferred vernacular on the "Manage Your Account Page."

Preferred Vernacular:

Yes, we spotted that one, although I hadn't realised that was what it meant - thanks!

A lot of things are still just not for sale there though, even when "translated". At least, they weren't last time we were there. I'm sure things are getting more varied all the time. I can't wait to get back and start searching now!


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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To help identify foods in the UK set the preferred vernacular on the "Manage Your Account Page."

Preferred Vernacular:


amazing I have to look into that - thanks


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Foods marked with a black dot in Genotype or Swami can be re-introduced occasionally after an initial complete avoidance.  .


The black dots are there for a reason. If I eat too many black dot foods my weight goes up and I start feeling lethargic.  For instance, I have many black dot cheeses. My weight loss gets stalled when I started eating them.  So you really have to be careful. But I don't think that's what Dr. D was referring to.     Because I think that black dots are avoids. They just don't do as much damage.. I think Dr. D was referring to neutral foods as compared to beneficial foods. Ok...correct me Dr. D if I'm wrong..I like to understand as well
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Frances AB - I meant to say this earlier but I kept getting side-tracked, sorry! You asked about how to tell whether you should be on the BTD or GTD.

There is a questionnaire somewhere on this site which answers that, based on many of the questions which now appear in SWAMI. Before SWAMI-X, DH and I tried the GTD and found it unworkable for us for various reasons. Then the questionnaire came out, and when we ran it, it said we would be better off following the BTD anyway, so we went back to it.

Now we're just starting SWAMI-X and it's a mixture of BTD and GTD for us both. Interesting eh?


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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Thank you for that Squirrel. I've recently been SWAMIed by Tom Greenfield, as recommended by Lola (thanks again Lola). Much to my surprise I've emerged as a Teacher (I'd had a sneaking suspicion that I wasn't a Nomad after all but an Explorer).

The diet it's given me though is mainly BTD which is also a surprise because when I did that questionnaire it told me GTD. So a bit confused all round.
I had been doing the BTD for years and my energy wasn't great, although I'd stopped getting stomach pains, so I thought that I needed something different because it wasn't quite hitting the spot. Anyway, my diet now has Teacher input too, so I'll give it a go.
I'd better change my shield too.
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It's been interesting reading about the Swami, I can't afford it at the moment though..

i have been sticking (as much as i can, which may not be enough!) with the GTD, but still have issues with certain foods on that, which is really frustrating..(but amazingly have managed to keep off the weight I lost last year). I have a problem with citrus fruit (too much gives me really horrible headaches which last for days amongst other things.)

One of my concerns, as mentioned above, is that recommended foods may not be available where i live..(UK). So some feedback from fellow UKers would be interesting..

Also, do you put in details of any medical conditions you have? what kinds of things does it take into account? I see above it asked about stomach problems..Does it take into account any problems you have with certain foods? (apart from lactose/caffeine)?


8 feb 2008:Weight Loss on GTD so far (without trying): 4 kilos (about 8 lbs - half a stone)
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