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Frances AB
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I could use some advice here as I'm contemplating using SWAMI but wondering if it will cause me more confusion. I've posted elsewhere about my difficulty in establishing my genotype definitively. I'd been doing BTD for years and switched to genotype when it came out but wandered around the genotypes a bit (husband kept getting different measurement results, we changed our minds about jaw width etc) but settled on Nomad because we got it more often than the others. My question is, is SWAMI even more complex when there's an element of subjectivity/room for inaccuracy involved? I had improvement on AB BTD (fewer digestive symptoms mainly) but I realised with hindsight that my low energy levels could have be down to eating grains, so, even though the simplicity of BTD is great, I'd like to stick with genotype, possibly SWAMI.  Many thanks, Frances
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Actually I find SWAMI brings more confusion. Yet I don't regret to have purchased it. I explain.

Like you, I've had a hard time to be sure of the measurements I made. I first thought I was a Teeacher, and followed this diet during six weeks. Then I started all the measurements again and found I had done one big mistake. In fact I was a Warrior.

Now, for SWAMI I am a Warrior if I say I am a Warrior... but the program sees me as an Explorer.

So, currently I'm a bit tired of changing diets all the time. It'll be the fourth change in six months ! (I began BTD in April.)

I've really payed a lot of attention to my diet throughout those past months, and I decide to take a break now. I mean that I'll continue to be careful about avoiding... avoids (which are pretty much the same in both diets) but I won't bother so much about wheither foods are beneficial or neutral. I'll do that during a few weeks and then I'll take a decision about following SWAMI's Warrior diet or SWAMI's Explorer diet. (I already guess it'll be Explorer's... because it allows me lamb and some poultry which Warrior's diet prohibits  )
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Frances AB
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Thank you Agathe for your detailed reply. Am I right in thinking that you can either input what you believe to be your genotype, in which case SWAMI accepts that, or allow SWAMI to work it out for you from scratch? It sounds intriguing.

I can certainly imagine how you must be fed up with switching several times, I felt rather the same when I went from Explorer to Teacher to Nomad, or something like that anyway. Each time, just as I did originally with BTD, I got myself all psyched up for losing certain foods and acquiring others, only to have to start again.
I'm still interested to hear of other people's experiences in working out their GT, are we (husband and I) in a minority of people who can't seem to measure accurately, decide where to measure from and to, can't determine fingerprint patterns etc. Frances  
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Agathe
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Am I right in thinking that you can either input what you believe to be your genotype, in which case SWAMI accepts that, or allow SWAMI to work it out for you from scratch?

Yes, this is correct.
There is currently a lot of - interesting - talking about this on the SWAMI part of the forum.

IMHO, you and your husband do not belong to a minority because you're never sure your measurments are well done. Of course, certain people find it easier to do than others but I bet most GT people keep one or more doubts... about whether they have picked the right GenoType.
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Lloyd
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If you use SWAMI, the ultimate label it gives you for GT is irrelevant except in a very generic way. The diet will be for you, and only you. Whatever GT it tells you you are is less important than the diet it comes up with.  
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paul clucas
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Quoted from Lloyd
If you use SWAMI, the ultimate label it gives you for GT is irrelevant except in a very generic way. The diet will be for you, and only you. Whatever GT it tells you you are is less important than the diet it comes up with.  

This is so very true - the Genotypes are real - the statistical evidence is there. Despite this a Genotype is not equivalent to any person so they cannot represent either you or your husband!

There is a difference in the "head space" or way of thinking between Swami and GTD.  In the GTD Genotypes are locations, whereas in Swami-land Genotypes are directions.

The advantage of the Swami diet is that you will generally have more generous lists unless you have a pressing health issue. You should see my carbohydrate list; I couldn't buy anything in a regular grocery store! This is because I am possibly the heaviest member on the board.

Adjusting is hard; I am still banging my head against some of my Swami diet. To avoid the measurement frustration you could message someone on the board and arrange a meeting. A Fellow or Master IfHI who is close to where you live could be your best resource. Everyone who has experienced your frustration has had help from someone. That's what the board is for.

Regular diet  - >  BTD  - >  GTD  - >  Swami  

Improved living with each transition. The greater the initial adjustment comes with the greater improvement in health.  

We would like to help make the adjustment easier, so please ask!


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Gale D.
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In the GTD Genotypes are locations, whereas in Swami-land Genotypes are directions.


I really like that description.

I think SWAMI is worth it, but not if you are going to tell it what your Genotype is. The whole aim is to let SWAMI figure it out for you. My SWAMI spits out 39-43 percent Warrior Genotype, depending on minor field changes.




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Melissa_J
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I am a big fan of SWAMI, and interestingly, even when I entered my finger measurements wrong it gave me about the same diet, which is the diet that works for me and feels the most right to me...the foods I crave when I want to be healthy, even though a few were not superfoods for me until SWAMI.  I lost some that I knew didn't help me, and got some neutrals back that I felt didn't do me any harm.  I thought I'd have to make some adjustments, throw some switches, make some changes, but I didn't have to, it just knew.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I'm fairly new to the whole BTD/GTD concept.  I've been trying to slowly incorporate the diet into my lifestyle without making any drastic changes that I know I won't stick with.  I tend to jump into things like this head-first without even taking a breath first, but I'm feeling more than a little overwhelmed!  Will jumping into SWAMI so early in my exploration be helpful, or should I continue to make slow, gradual changes?

Thanks for any help,
Debbie    


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Lloyd
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Debbie, going stright to SWAMI might save some confusion and give you a less restrictive diet.

On the other hand, going gradual is fine too. Whatever you are comfortable with.
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mikendomsmum
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I really just dove in to the SWAMI.  I took the measurements and believed in them, entered everything in and voila.  I've got my diet and I'm done.  It does seem to turn out that the foods I crave are the foods I should be eating.  I've lost 5 pounds in a tad more than a month and I haven't felt like I'm on a diet at all because I've been enjoying all of my favorite foods!


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Pink
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Thank you Karen - that's great news!  Congratulations on the loss

I've been going to the gym, and I know I'm getting stronger, but the weight just seems to keep hanging around, so between that and the confusion with the diet, I've been getting frustrated.  Wow, that was one really long run-on sentence, huh?

Anyway, I think I'll go ahead and take the plunge, too  


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At this point, I'm frustrated with my swami.  I spent the money and it came up with a list that is nearly just like the AB diet.  And I felt better on the Teacher diet in comparison to when I was on the AB diet.  Then, I just tried a new grain that is supposed to be neutral according to my swami, and my guts haven't been the same since.  That was like Thursday night.  Although I will admit it could be something else.  I'm just not sure what.  Maybe something is going around, or it was something else I ate that was bad or something.  Or it's the full moon.  That has made things worse in the past.  

Also, I fit the description of a Nomad, like it says, but I also struggle with Teacher symptoms with my insides and bacteria overgrowth, yet I don't know if my swami is recognizing that as much as I'd like.  Even though I marked "yes" to stomach problems.

So, I don't know what to think.  I think once I get past this bout of inside upsetness by going back to what I know works, it could work.  But my guts are so sensitive, I have to take it really slow.  And I wish I could foresee which new things will mess with me.  It seems like certain grains and meats do it to me, but veggies I could probably eat everything and they don't seem to mess with me.


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I believe you are following another Dr s protocol.....
why not give one or the other a chance to work?


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Frances AB
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Thank you so much for all your replies, your experiences and insights are very illuminating, and I now understand about the individuality in SWAMI as opposed to being a rigidly defined GT.
Another question - I'm very slender and have never been doing the BTD/GTD to lose weight but to boost my health (I have an autoimmune condition). I'm not sure if this is right but I seem to get the impression that people doing SWAMI want to lose weight, is that right?

Re the post about stomach problems and bacteria overgrowth (really sorry, I can't see your name now) I think that any change in diet may cause an immediate improvement or aggravation because different bacteria like different nutritional environments and the balance between the many gut bacteria shifts with a change in diet, so it's probably well worth sticking to one diet for a while to get the longer-term picture (unless you're in unacceptable pain/discomfort obviously). I've also experienced adverse reactions to supposedly beneficial or neutral foods and have a tendency to constipation, bloating etc. The criterion I use to judge whether a food is ok for me is my energy level, some foods just make me feel tired. It's not an exact science of course because reactions aren't always immediate, I think it can take up to 3 days if an allergy is present

I have contacted Dr Tom Greenfield (tip form Lola) so already feel that I'm on the way to being able to improve my diet even more. Thanks again to all.
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Many of us are on swami for our health rather than weight loss.  Some are even on it to gain weight.  


Embracing my A-ness! (Ok, that is waaaay better in print than it is out loud! )

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Thank you Karen - that's great news!  Congratulations on the loss

I've been going to the gym, and I know I'm getting stronger, but the weight just seems to keep hanging around, so between that and the confusion with the diet, I've been getting frustrated.  Wow, that was one really long run-on sentence, huh?

Anyway, I think I'll go ahead and take the plunge, too  


Thanks for the congrats!  I was doing ER4YT before SWAMI and I felt good on the O diet but wasn't losing weight.  SWAMI is better.  


Karen
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Thank you Karen - that's great news!  Congratulations on the loss

I've been going to the gym, and I know I'm getting stronger, but the weight just seems to keep hanging around, so between that and the confusion with the diet, I've been getting frustrated.  Wow, that was one really long run-on sentence, huh?

Anyway, I think I'll go ahead and take the plunge, too  


I've found that A blood types do NOT lose weight if they work out too much in a gym. My daughter was working out daily and not losing. I kept telling her to stop working out and just walk and her weight really started dropping.

I personally love the Swami. I find it not to be so generic and it is very specific for my health and weight concerns  


I can do all things through Jesus Christ which strengtheneth me...Phil. 4:13

Super Taster / mom of one A-, one O+, one A+ adult children and four O+ and two A+ grandchildren  

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I believe you are following another Dr s protocol.....
why not give one or the other a chance to work?


Lola, if you were referring to my post, my doctor's protocol is with the supplements that my body needs.  The diet is all Teacher since January.  And I feel LOTS better.  It has worked.  For sure.  

My goal with swami was to see about if I needed more protection for my liver and kidneys.  As I've said before, the supplements I take, look just like what Dr.D recommends for Teachers and Explorers.  And they definitely help.  

I'm kind of scratching my head because the SWAMI is calling me a Nomad, even though the measurements entered would put me as a teacher according to the book.  I KNOW I struggle with bacteria in the gut, but it has gotten better.  I also KNOW I struggle with a sluggish liver and kidneys.  So, I am sooooooo skeptical that this will work.  The list of foods on my swami is so liberal compared to the Teacher diet, that I don't see how it will work.  And then when I eat something new and it makes me fill icky, I start second guessing.  My mind wants to do the swami, but my body is telling me to stick with the teacher diet.  

Maybe FrancesAB is correct though, something new may have just upset the applecart and possibly even is helping.  I don't know.  I am just debating whether I want to continue with it.  I may just highlight all the teacher foods on the swami, and just add one real tentatively.  I don't know why this stuff has to be so hard on my body.  I just don't want to undo all the good that has happened so far.


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I found that after starting the Teacher diet after being on the wrong diet, I was sore for around a week. Since my nerves have issues from celiac disease and also intestinal absorption problems, my body was going through some healing. And really the healing just keeps continuing. With SWAMI, I am gradually seeing more nerve healing and more energy. After eating some avoids and then getting back to good compliance, my intestines were messed up again but quickly got back to normal. I think I was also experiencing some liver cleansing in the process. I see GTD and SWAMI as health-building, but SWAMI is  more specific to my needs. SWAMI calculated me as a Teacher just as the book did. I must be pretty definitely a Teacher because any changes to answer I give, as I remeasure or think about them more, doesn't change much at all.
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Frances AB,
I am following my Swami and hoping to someday gain weight. Although I am doing it for my overall health, I have hope it may be the formula for me to put on a few pounds but it sure has me eating a large amount of food. Sometimes I just can't eat it all but maybe that is the amount I need to gain weight.
Lisa


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Alright..pardon my stupidity but where can I read more about this SWAMI? I also have no clue about the Genotype thing....any easy way for me to figure it out? By doing a quick read ..I seem like an Explorer





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Girly just waiting for you to be curious .
Dr. D'Adamo wrote a new book in 2007 called the Genotype Diet.
Rather then the 4 blood types he broke us up into 6 groups. It targets weight loss  and health issues better.

Then you have the SWAMI  which takes it one step further it is a diet that is just for you, it is like writing a diet/health book called Girly.

You can purchase  the SWAMI from the link "Store" at the top of this page.

Many of us have done the SWAMI but some are using the book as a guide.

Hope this helps a bit.

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I referring to someone else s post AB.....


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have no clue about the Genotype thing....any easy way for me to figure it out?

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED010


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