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Cilantro vs Coriander.

Doing a search on the internet, makes these as equivalent, yet there might be a difference because my Swami, places Cilantro as a Diamond food and Coriander as a Neutral!!

Can we get Cilantro in Australia?

I am answering my own question here after posting above.  

The answer is yes,  under the name Coriander.  Doing a search by using the botanical name as depicted in the TypeBase database, got me there.  I leave it here because I have heaps more to ask.
Warning: ignore scientific name, seems to be a typo - read on next posts ...

So Coriander in US is Vietnamese Mint in Australia
Cilantro in US is Coriander in Australia

All this is according to Botanical names as depicted in the Typebase database.  (See following posts)





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cilantro is the herb
coriander is the seed


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Lola, the typebase shows them with two different botanical names, based on that they are both different plants.  Or a typo on the database?




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Quote from: http://www.horticulture.com.au/news/default.asp?act=detail&mode=&newsid=34

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Friday, 15 April 2005  
Papaya Vs Papaw

Whats in a name? When it comes to the papaya/pawpaw/papaw debate, a lot.

Consumers have long been confused about the difference between these fruit and the fact is that while they are the same species Carica papaya, the fruit known as papaya looks and tastes quite different to the fruit known as papaw.

To make things easier for consumers the agreed understanding in the Australian industry is that the red-fleshed sweeter fruit is called red papaya, while the yellow-fleshed fruit is called yellow papaw.

American pawpaw (note the different spelling) on the other hand is an entirely different fruit not related to the tropical Carica papaya from which Australian red papaya and yellow papaw come. American pawpaw is also known as poor mans banana and is the fruit of the Asimina triloba tree.

To complicate things further, theres also green papaya, which is either red papaya or yellow papaw picked green. Green papaya is a sought after ingredient in Asian cuisine and is eaten as a vegetable.

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So
American PawPaw is an american fruit (not sure if we get it here)
American Papaya is our Papaya or red papaw, but we also have the yellow papaw.




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so papaya is papaw
and pawpaw is not papaya!!!  now we can all relax!


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Lola,
Ok the descriptions on the database are clear enough, they seem to be refering to the same plant in two different stages: seeds and plant.

But the Scientific names are different, since my confusion, so should we report it as a bug in the database?

So:

Cilantro in US is the coriander plant in Australia
Coriander in US is the Coriander seeds in Australia

I do not remember ever seeing cilantro/ seeds in the spice racks of the supermarkets here, but I have often bought coriander seeds.




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Thanks for starting this thread Cristina will put local food queries here now.

I've just been looking through Typebase for Hoki (fish) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_grenadier aka blue grenadier, blue hake, New Zealand whiptail, whiptail or whiptail hake, "Macruronus novaezelandiae".  
It is definitely not in there.  You can search by scientific name the entire website and the typebase value will come up.  Searched for Macruronus bought up nothing, so that common fish in Australia / from NZ is not listed!



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Blue Mackerel from New Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_mackerel aka Japanese mackerel, Pacific mackerel, slimy mackerel, or spotted chub mackerel, "Scomber australasicus"

On Typebase only one kind of Mackerel comes up - Atlantic http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?238

In GTD book there is Spanish Mackerel mentioned as well, both are avoids for Explorers.  

I guess we can put Australian Mackerel in the same boat?


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This might be a stupid question but is a Cornish hen, American for Spring Chicken?

And the other concern of mine is the local Aussie Salmon. I have a feeling that they are mostly farmed. I couldn't believe the amount of little Salmon farms I saw in Tassie. Where else in Oz do Salmon run wild?

The other option is to eat John West canned Tuna as this is a canadian product and the Salmon is Alaskan, diamond food. But nothing beats a pan fried fillet of Salmon hey?
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This might be a stupid question but is a Cornish hen, American for Spring Chicken?
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Come on aussie come on!!  There is nothing stupid between mates!
I did not know that either.  Find this extract on the net, to confirm your suspicions:

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Cornish game hen ready for the oven

A Cornish game hen, also sometimes called a Cornish hen, poussin, Rock Cornish hen, or simply Rock Cornish, is a young chicken sold whole. Despite the name, it is not a game bird, but actually a typical chicken that is slaughtered at a young age and therefore is smaller in size. Though the bird is called a "hen," it can be either male or female.
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So thats a yes then. Spring Chicken = Cornish hen. I can't help but picturing the young chickens though. They didn't get to live their full lives. Same with Lamb or Veal. Oh God how cruel. They've got no chance have they? Aside from Fish, all I have is Lamb, Turkey and Cornish Chicken. Have to find one before I discover that I'm a Fat Teacher or a Mini Warrior.
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And the other concern of mine is the local Aussie Salmon. I have a feeling that they are mostly farmed. I couldn't believe the amount of little Salmon farms I saw in Tassie. Where else in Oz do Salmon run wild?


The Department of Primary Industries in Australia has this website where they give an indication that at least the Eastern Australian Salmon is found in the continental shelf water of NSW, Victoria and Tassie.

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/rese.....ustralian-Salmon.pdf

I have been buying Australian salmon and using it as my diamond salmon but after reading this other link of a Salmon fisherman (read his first paragraph), I do not know ...

So is Australian Salmon, what US calls Salmon?  

http://www.spooled.com.au/Article:1752




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The important thing to note about the 2nd article on Australian Salmon is;

Aussie salmon have rather dark, strongly-flavoured flesh

The Salmon I buy is pink. I just know its farmed. But the farming method involves nets that are on the actual estuary or rivers. But I'm afraid they are probably still fed by humans.
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the fish market mongers are walking fish encyclopedias!!
I d ask them if I were you....


read farmed salmon is fed GE soy beans.....


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This Article here proves my point beyond the doubt

http://www.huonaqua.com.au/wild-farmed.php

The question is, Dr D can we have farmed Atlantic Salmon? Its not listed as a Toxin.
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And this is what they are fed. At least they aren't drinking diet coke or bottled water.

There is some flexibility in which ingredients go into the recipe to deliver that specified feed but all ingredients must go through a battery of quality checks before they can be used. Aside from fishmeal and fish oil, our diets may contain wheat, soya derivatives, corn gluten, meat by-product meal, blood meal and vitamin and mineral supplements very similar to those taken by people. In fact most of the ingredients we use are commonly used in the pet-food industry and our diets look very like dry pet food - albeit with a very different nutrient profile, higher in energy and more digestible.
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I find a CBS website explaining the different salmons and their Australian equivalents (if avaiable). From it I derived that the Chinook Salmon is the Australian Quinnat Salmon, (which according to fishnet.com.au in another article, is found in the wild.)

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Here are some relevant extracts from the CBS website:
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The Atlantic salmon is the most popular species for fish farming or aquaculture and it is estimated that 98 per cent of the 300 million Atlantic salmon in the world are farmed fish.
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Chinook (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
The Chinook is the largest of the West Coast salmon (they can weigh up to 55 kg) and is also called "spring salmon" or "king salmon." It has a bluish-green back with light spots and is a favourite catch for anglers. In Australia, where the Chinook is an introduced species, it is called the Quinnat salmon. Its found in southern rivers, but is dependent on stocking programs for survival.
...
Sockeye (Oncorhynchus nerka)
The sockeye is the most popular among the West Coast salmon with both anglers and commercial fishers and is reputed to be the best-tasting salmon. It is bluish-silver, and the most streamlined of the salmon. It weighs up to 3.2 kg. The kokanee, or sliver trout, is a land-locked subspecies of sockeye that never leaves fresh water.

The Australian salmon (Arripis truttaceus)
The Australian salmon are an ocean-dwelling species found along the south coast of Australia. Its silver with black spots and weigh up to 10 kg.
...
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Here is the full article from CBS website:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/salmon/

So I guess, next time we go to the fish market, or supermarket, we will ask the fishmonger if this is Quinnat wild Salmon or what.  I wonder how many blank looks we will get ...??  




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hope Jenny chines in, she s done a lot of studying on the subject.


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I;m sorry to say it but most of the fish shop people I've come accross aren't the sharpest. You probably will get a stare or blank expression, or worse they will just pretend they know and tell you what you wanna hear.
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Quoted from Lola
hope Jenny chines in, she s done a lot of studying on the subject.


I have only just noticed this thread and commend you all on your expertise..I feel like a first grader in comparison. However, if you want to see my fish print out, please email me and you will see where I have got to on a fish spread sheet..perhaps one or both of you would like to go on filling in the blanks, and keep us updated. Because most of our most popular fish do not swim in northern hemisphere waters close to the U.S. they have not been tested for typebase and until Dr D has a lab downunder it would seem unlikely that we will know for sure where our favourites lie in the spectrum. I have basically come to the conclusion that self testing on our own bodies is about as close as we are likely to get.



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Lola, the typebase shows them with two different botanical names, based on that they are both different plants.  Or a typo on the database?



well spotted Cristina---I would definitely appreciate an explanation of the two different scientific names on typebase. I have always assumed them to be from the same plant, ie cilantro being the fresh herb, and coriander being the seeds and powdered seeds, but this cannot be so if they come from different species as implied in typebase. I think it is worth reporting/questioning as a bug.



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Jenny I would love that fish list, can you mail it to me...Thanks.
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Jenny, that makes sense that our local fish haven't been tested.  Could you please email your fish list to me too.  Saves me duplicating your work.  Thanks!


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ditto Jenny, and thanks for chiming in ...




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TypeBase Currants vs Aussie currants:

The berry type vs the grape type.  Can we get the berry type in Australia?




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I actually did go to the Sydney fish market and found other fish that are not on the list. I had some Kingfish Sashimi which was delicious, not knowing if it is a Toxin. The other is Gem fish.

I did find some monkfish which is a diamond for me, regardless of genotype. So we bought a couple of fillets. Never had it before.
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I suppose, as long as we stick to the type of fish SwamiXpress recommends for us, we may be OK.  Like my Swami recommends me to include the non-oily, white flesh category fish and to avoid the 'bottom feeding fish'.  Armed with these recommendations (at least in my case), we should be all right.

Were your recommendations similar?




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Isn't salmon an oily fish?

I'm still not 100% about my final genotype so I can't anwer your question till after thursday.

I'm really happy about the fact that I found my prop taster strips after looking for days and have now confirmed beyond any doubt that I am a taster. Yippee.
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Commercial Mushrooms, Silver dollar mushrooms:

Agaricus bisporus
Extract From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Agaricus bisporusknown variously as the common mushroom, button mushroom, white mushroom, table mushroom, portobello mushroom, crimini mushroom, Swiss Brown mushrooms, also known as Cremini, Italian Brown, Italian mushroom, Roman Brown mushrooms, or cultivated mushroom is an edible basidiomycete mushroom native to grasslands in Europe and North America. A. bisporus is cultivated in more than 70 countries.[1]




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Because most of our most popular fish do not swim in northern hemisphere waters close to the U.S. they have not been tested for typebase and until Dr D has a lab downunder it would seem unlikely that we will know for sure where our favourites lie in the spectrum. I have basically come to the conclusion that self testing on our own bodies is about as close as we are likely to get.

"You can search by scientific name the entire website and the typebase value will come up.  Searched for Macruronus bought up nothing, so that common fish in Australia / from NZ is not listed!"

Wonder where that leaves most of NZ produce??! As far as I know, they get things from both countries...
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Isn't salmon an oily fish?



Yes, you are right, Dr D's program has ensured that we do get some oily fish in our diet as well, maybe for the essencial fatty acids absorbtion. I have found the following website that may explain further the choices of oily fishes in our lists:

http://www.skincancer.org/oily-fish-your-route-to-vitamin-d.html

Here is an extract from it:
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What Are Some Low-Mercury, Oily Fish?

The FDA and EPA advise at-risk populations to eat up to 12 ounces a week of low-mercury fish. Many oily fish are safe to eat, including salmon, sardines, herring, and Atlantic mackerel. Wild or canned salmon from Alaska are best, since they have lower levels of pollutants like PCBs and dioxins.
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Dr D also recommends  that we should take special care to ensure that the source of fish is fresh and free of industrial toxins, which accumulate in the fat and we should avoid farm raised fish.




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Thanks Ladies for all that hard work into the research. And thanks to Jenny for the list.

I have no choice but to just eat what is available and hope for the best.

My main choices are:

Barramundi - always available (not sure but its a  white flesh and non oily) , I feel strongly that this one is OK.

Farmed Atlantic Salmon (most fish shop people can't tell you which variety of Salmon it is) ,

Tuna - Same variety but depends on my GT. Only good for warriors.

Blue eyed cod (Jenny's list doesn't have a classification for it, hope its the same as the american cod, probably not, but I allow myself that one now and again),

Cod - on rare occasions I do find plain Cod and I snap it up quickly.

Red Snapper (only a neutral) ,

Ling Ling (not my favourite but its white flesh and non oily). Looking at Jenny's list, its a type of cod but don't think its been tested).

Monkfish is available and a diamond for me but a little hard to find.

Perch / Ocean Perch is pretty common as well. I wonder if that one is OK. Not in Jennys list.

John Dory - not in Jennys list.

The other one we get a lot of, and I'm not sure if my Tassie partner is right, is shark. She says that most fish and chips shops use shark and batter it. They don't label it as shark because they know that a lot of people would be turned off by it. On the fish shops, when you get fish fillets or just Flakes without a fish name, bet your bottom silver dollar its shark. We've asked the fish shop, thats one variety that they do know well around these parts. Please correct me if I'm wrong. As long as its not great white, I guess were OK. And thats a Black dot for all group A GT's.

Canned sardines are ofcourse easy to find. For me I had it in brine and didn't really enjoy it. I avoid them in tomato sauce (toxin) and I love them with Olive oil but that would take me over my portion of Fats and oils.

How can you tell which ones are bottom feeders?

Looks like were up S--t creek without a paddle....



I think a handy classification would be knowing whether your GT is better off with River fish or Ocean varieties.

Can NAP send a small team Down Under to test the rest? We'll be happy to be the Guinea Pigs won't we ladies? I'll even eat Witchetty grubs and Goana, but I don't think Ill be eating any Koala (diamond or no diamond).
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Thanks for that Jumari, I still have not received the list from Jenny  
No Witchetty grubs and goana here!!  DH may be game though ...  But yes, I second the guinea piggy thingy for us.  Please, please NAP come and help us classify all this tucka from down under...

I think I read somewhere that the bigger the ocean fish, the longer time it had to absorb toxins in its body, so I wonder if this assumption will place Sharks in the avoid category?  


The internet free Wikepedia lists the following as bottom feeder fishes:

Bottom feeding fish include flatfish (halibut, flounder, plaice, sole), eels, ling cod, haddock, bass, grouper, bream (snapper) and some species of catfish and shark.

Bottom feeding invertebrates include shellfish, crabs, crayfish, sea anemones, starfish, snails, bristleworms and sea cucumbers.

The Wikepedia also explains that bottom feeders feed on or near the bottom of a mass of water (ocean, lake, river or aquariums). Some are grazing on the floor while others maybe hunters catching passing fish near the bottom.




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I recall someone, maybe Lola, mentioned John Dory is a bottom feeder. The flat fish are bottom feeders.
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We now have quite a bunch of disparate information in this thread re fish in Australia (and probably New Zealand I would guess). I would like to ask Cristina, Jumari and Ghee Wizz if any of you would like to be the ongoing compiler of this information, as it would be a shame for it to be buried on a remote page as time passes. If the general sheet could be expanded as information arises, then whoever is doing this editorial work could advertize it on the thread, thus bringing the thread to the surface again, and those interested could request the updated list.
What do you think? Any volunteer available? I'm slightly overwhelmed with life/work at the moment.



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Thanks for the suggestion Jenny... Great idea - I'm a bit overwhelmed with work etc too unfortunately...
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Great suggestion Jenny, and I do not mind doing it for the time being.  I am at home most of the time, retired and I really enjoy the learning and brain massaging opportunities this forum offers.  Coming from a high paced corporate computer based profession, I can do with the exercise.  We can combine efforts with whoever wants to jump in.

I think, I might edit my first post to contain a summary of the consensus for the different items on discussion further down the thread.  This way, users can avoid having to read endless discussions if all they want is to know the particular equivalent to a food product in their lists .




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Thanks Lola!!

Rethinking my last post a bit.  Because of the limitations on posting capacity, I think it may be a better idea, to every now and then, post summary of food items in discussion where consensus have been reached.  Each summary will contain new items not shown in previous summaries.  The very first post in this thread will show the links to those summary posts.  Shall we give this a try and see how it works?

To start with, I will create a summary post showing resolutions for cilantro, coriander, pawpaw, papaya and a few others find in this thread so far.  Then I will reflect this by updating post number 1.  Give me a few minutes and let me know if you think it may work well ..

PS:  This may not work at all if there is a time limit to editing posts ...
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TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 1
TypebaseAU Equivalent Comments Countries
CilantroCorianderThe  herb
CorianderCoriander SeedsThe  seeds
PapayaPapaw,PawPaw or PapayaCommon Australian paw paw
Paw PawPoor Mans BananaA member of custard apple plant
Cornish HenSpring chickenYoung chicken,male or female
Currant Red/BlackBlackcurrant/RedcurrantNot the grape variety
Romaine LettuceCos Lettuce
ZucciniZucciniCourguette in UK version of Swami
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
RutagabaSweedesIs the yellow parsnip
EscaroleChicory LeafTaken from UK version of Swami
OrangeOrange
OrangeTangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)Nepal
TangerineMandarin/Tangerine
AnchoviesAnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only
ScrodCod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShrimpPrawn
ButterfishButterfishSee warning Reply 68 on toxic substitutes

Summary continues on reply no: 95


Still adding to this ...
I will eventually put it in alphabetical category order.  Also post the link to next summary table, will try to do it before the 72hrs deadline ...




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thanks so much for your offer Cristina, and to Lola for 'stickying' it. Would you prefer us to write to you privately so that you can do the additions yourself? For instance I have some new evidence re pawpaw that I want to share.



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As suggested by someone, this thread can also be used to clarify food recognition in other countries too. For example, in Nepal what everyone calls an orange is actually a tangerine! I learnt this only a few years back after coming in touch with ER4YT. Still, unless someone clarifies, almost all people will consider the commonly available tangerines as oranges and there are food value differences between these varieties.

We have a bean commonly eaten in northern Nepal. It looks like adzuki bean but is black. It is small (much smaller than the black-eyed bean) and is called a "maas" locally. Does anyone have experience with this variety of bean, which I am presently considering an adzuki bean (black variety)?



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Jenny...I'm happy to volunter for that. I think a great place to start would be to eliminate the fish that can not be found in Australian and/or NZ waters, unless you have a private jet and are able to buy elsewhere. So I'm gonna post a fish list and if everyone agrees we can eliminate them from our list.

I've cut and paste from my Teachers Swami list. If I'm missing any just add them on.

* Fish not found In Aus or NZ marked NA (Not Available)
* Fish found in these parts marked A (Available)
* Sorry not in Alphabetical order these are divided into Superfood/Neutral/Toxin for Teachers.


Bullhead  = NA
Butterfish = NA
Carp = A
Chub =  NA
Cod  = A
Croaker  = NA
Cusk  = NA
Drum  = NA
Halfmoon Fish  = (I've seen this one, could also just be called Moon fish, not sure)
Mahi-mahi = NA
Monkfish  = A
Mullet = A
Muskellunge = NA
Ocean Pout  = (We have oceat trout probably not the same, not sure)
Parrotfish = (not sure)
Perch  = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Pickerel, Walleye  = NA
Pike = NA
Pilchards = NA
Pollock, Atlantic  = NA
Pompano = Not sure
Porgy  = NA
Red Snapper = A
Rosefish = NA
Salmon, Atlantic, wild = Mostly Farmed
Salmon, Chinook  = Only canned variety, John West
Salmon, Sockeye = Only canned variety, John West
Sardine  = Mostly canned
Scrod  = NA
Sea Bream = Deep sea bream fillets and Silver Bream whole (are they they same?)
Smelt = NA
Snail, Escargot  = (probably, they serve them in french restaurants but I wouldn't know where to buy them.
Sturgeon = NA
Sucker  = NA
Sunfish, Pumpkinseed  =
Tilapia = NA
Trout, Sea = Ocean trout (fillets)-farmed                        
Tuna, Skipjack = Not Sure
Tuna, Yellowfin = A = Definitely
Turbot, European = Will double check
Whitefish  = Not sure



Herring = Not sure
Mackerel, Atlantic = Not 100 % sure
Mackerel, Spanish = not sure, maybe canned variety
Perch, Ocean = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Trout, Rainbow, Wild = A = Definitely (are they farmed though?)
Trout, Steelhead, Wild
Tuna, Bluefin = Not Sure
Whiting = Not sure, Whiting (fillets) are they the same?
Yellowtail = Not sure



Anchovy = A = Canned variety
Barracuda = Not sure.
Bass, Blue Gill =
Bass, Sea, Lake
Bass, Striped
Bluefish = Not Sure
Catfish = Not sure, think I've seen this one.
Clam =
Conch = Not sure
Crab = A = Definitely
Eel = A = Definitely
Flounder = seen it somewhere. Under inverstigation.
Frog = lots of cane toads that for sure. Wouldn't know where to buy the edible variety?
Gray Sole
Grouper =
Haddock = Not sure
Hake = Not Sure -Under investigation
Halibut = Not sure
Harvest Fish = NA
Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat?
Lobster = A = Definitely
Mussels = A = Canned
Octopus =  A = Definitely
Opaleye Fish = NA
Orange Roughy = A = Definitely
Oyster = A = Definitely = most of which are from Oyster farms
Scallops = A = Definitely
Scup = NA
Shad = NA
Shark = A = Most definitely = Flake = (Does everyone agree on this)
Sheepshead fish = NA
Shrimp = A = Called Prawns around here.
Skate = NA
Sole = Not sure
Squid, Calamari = A = Yes
Swordfish = A = Definitely
Tilefish =
Turtle = Yes but not don't know much about the edible variety.
Weakfish = NA
Wolfish, Atlantic = Not sure but we are in the atlantic = think I've seen it.

Please add any fish from the GT lists that are not on this list. The aim is to come up with a short list of those fish that are definitly not available in Australia or NZ.
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thanks so much for your offer Cristina, and to Lola for 'stickying' it. Would you prefer us to write to you privately so that you can do the additions yourself? For instance I have some new evidence re pawpaw that I want to share.


Jenny, post it here, so we can all share that info, unless you considered it to be too big to post, in which case we can work out behind the scenes how best to post it in the summaries.  

Jumari, that is an excellent list and thanks for volunteering too.

Kumar I can add under the comments column the names of relevant countries, or add another column for it.  Check the summaries and let me know if that is ok for your country and post relevant comments.





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That's a great effort thanks Jumari

Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat? Depends what they died of??!!
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Thanks for the list Jenny it's a great layout, idea and you've put lots of work in.  Thanks for taking on editing Cristina and everyone for contributing.  I'm busy with child at home school holidays and more at the moment but could take on editing at a later time.  Also supposedly cleaning up after dust storm and possum oil attack (no offence) at mo!

Cristina, I like the summary idea to make sure that things are agreed on and final before they go into the list.  Great to have you on the team.

When editing the fish list is it going to expand to include Australia and New Zealand now (welcome and thanks Possum) so many other fish items may be added?  We may start with lots of blanks and fish that haven't been tested but that's okay.

On the list can we put a legend down the bottom like GT1 = Hunter. Bozos like me can't remember the genotype numbers.  Maybe we could also put the blood types on the list too?  May have to put a reference at the bottom to Dr D'Adamo too.

P.S. (warning: silly) Not everything's got an equivalent like the aussie saying "she aint no spring chicken" doesn't = "she aint no cornish hen"!  No offence intended. I'm glad I know what a spring chicken is now and won't eat one to let them have a bit of a life first!

P.P.S. is everyone current on the currants issue Cristina is referring to above.  The small dried grape type is a small dried grape not a currant. A currant is a largish berry never seen here (would that be in blackcurrant juice though?).  See http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253598354/s-19/highlight-currants/#num19


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TypeBase Currants vs Aussie currants:
The berry type vs the grape type.  Can we get the berry type in Australia?

We had a currant bush when I used to live in Aus...I've always thought the packets of currants were the berry types?? The grape type are something else aren't they - can't remember the name but more gourmet/expensive?
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Fish lists combined:

Anchovy = A = Canned variety
Barracuda = Not sure.
Bass, Blue Gill =
Bass, Sea, Lake
Bass, Striped
Bluefish = Not Sure
Bullhead= NA
Butterfish = NA
Carp = A
Catfish = Not sure, think I've seen this one.
Chub =NA
Clam =
Cod= A
Conch = Not sure
Crab = A = Definitely
Croaker= NA
Cusk= NA
Drum= NA
Eel = A = Definitely
Flounder = seen it somewhere. Under investigation.
Frog = lots of cane toads that for sure. Wouldn't know where to buy the edible variety?
Gray Sole
Grouper =
Haddock = Not sure
Hake = Not Sure -Under investigation
Halfmoon Fish= (I've seen this one, could also just be called Moon fish, not sure)
Halibut = Not sure
Harvest Fish = NA
Herring = Not sure
Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat?
Lobster = A = Definitely
Mackerel, Atlantic = Not 100 % sure
Mackerel, Spanish = not sure, maybe canned variety
Mahi-mahi = NA
Monkfish= A
Mullet = A
Muskellunge = NA
Mussels = A = Canned
Ocean Pout= (We have ocean trout probably not the same, not sure)
Octopus =A = Definitely
Opaleye Fish = NA
Orange Roughy = A = Definitely
Oyster = A = Definitely = most of which are from Oyster farms
Parrotfish = (not sure)
Perch= (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Perch, Ocean = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Pickerel, Walleye= NA
Pike = NA
Pilchards = NA
Pollock, Atlantic= NA
Pompano = Not sure
Porgy= NA
Red Snapper = A
Rosefish = NA
Salmon, Atlantic, wild = Mostly Farmed
Salmon, Chinook= Only canned variety, John West
Salmon, Sockeye = Only canned variety, John West
Sardine= Mostly canned
Scallops = A = Definitely
Scrod= NA
Scup = NA
Sea Bream = Deep sea bream fillets and Silver Bream whole (are they the same?)
Shad = NA
Shark = A = Most definitely = Flake = (Does everyone agree on this)
Sheepshead fish = NA
Shrimp = A = Called Prawns around here.
Skate = NA
Smelt = NA
Snail, Escargot= (probably, they serve them in french restaurants but I wouldn't know where to buy them.
Sole = Not sure
Squid, Calamari = A = Yes
Sturgeon = NA
Sucker= NA
Sunfish, Pumpkinseed=
Swordfish = A = Definitely
Tilapia = NA
Tilefish =
Trout, Rainbow, Wild = A = Definitely (are they farmed though?)
Trout, Sea = Ocean trout (fillets)-farmed
Trout, Steelhead, Wild
Tuna, Bluefin = Not Sure
Tuna, Skipjack = Not Sure
Tuna, Yellowfin = A = Definitely
Turbot, European = Will double check
Turtle = Yes but not don't know much about the edible variety.
Weakfish = NA
Whitefish= Not sure
Whiting = Not sure, Whiting (fillets) are they the same?
Wolfish, Atlantic = Not sure but we are in the Atlantic = think I've seen it.
Yellowtail = Not sure


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Wonderful Cristina. Go ahead with adding another column for the country. I am sure it is going to be very useful to all of us.



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Hi Possum, did you read the link at the end of my last post?  Check the typebase:

Currants: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?134 were they what you were growing?

Grapes: mentions ZANTE grapes which are small grapes dried to make currants http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?178

I really like the dried grape currants and note they don't seem to have preservatives added.  That makes it a black dot under grapes for me as explorer, not an avoid like most other dried fruit with sulphur dioxide preservative.  
Possum - do you know your genotype?

Added - I see we are all posting at the same time!  You probably didn't see that then Possum.  


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P.P.S. is everyone current on the currants issue Cristina is referring to above.  The small dried grape type is a small dried grape not a currant. A currant is a largish berry never seen here (would that be in blackcurrant juice though?).  See http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253598354/s-19/highlight-currants/#num19


GheeWhiz,  Thanks so much for your contributions to this thread too!!
Regarding the currant issue, it looks like we can get them in aussie too, at least in some parts and they may be seasonal too.  I find this link on the net:

http://www.froghollownursery.com.au/Fruit/Berries%20Currants%20&%20Figs.html

And yes, you are right, I believe they are in the popular red/blackcurrant juices sold locally.  




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Well I've removed the obvious fish varieties and left behind anything I personally was not sure of. Would everyone involved kindly vote on the fish that are definitely not found in these parts so we can eliminate them.

Barracuda = Not sure.
Bass, Blue Gill =
Bass, Sea, Lake
Bass, Striped
Bluefish = Not Sure
Bullhead  = NA
Butterfish = NA
Catfish = Not sure, think I've seen this one.
Chub =  NA
Clam =
Conch = Not sure
Croaker  = NA
Cusk  = NA
Drum  = NA
Flounder = seen it somewhere. Under investigation.
Frog = lots of cane toads that for sure. Wouldn't know where to buy the edible variety?
Gray Sole =
Grouper = Actually this is definitetly available. Don't know about the US / OZ compatibility though?
Haddock = Not sure
Hake = Not Sure -Under investigation
Halfmoon Fish  = (I've seen this one, could also just be called Moon fish, not sure)
Halibut = Not sure
Harvest Fish = NA
Herring = Not sure
Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat?
Mackerel, Atlantic = Not 100 % sure
Mackerel, Spanish = not sure, maybe canned variety
Mahi-mahi = NA
Muskellunge = NA
Ocean Pout  = (We have ocean trout probably not the same, not sure)
Opaleye Fish = NA
Parrotfish = (not sure)
Perch  = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Perch, Ocean = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Pickerel, Walleye  = NA
Pike = NA
Pilchards = NA
Pollock, Atlantic  = NA
Pompano = Not sure
Porgy  = NA
Rosefish = NA
Salmon, Atlantic, wild = Mostly Farmed
Salmon, Chinook  = Only canned variety, John West
Salmon, Sockeye = Only canned variety, John West
Scrod  = NA
Scup = NA
Sea Bream = Deep sea bream fillets and Silver Bream whole (are they the same?)
Shad = NA
Shark = A = Most definitely = Flake = (Does everyone agree on this)
Sheepshead fish = NA
Skate = NA
Smelt = NA
Snail, Escargot  = (probably, they serve them in french restaurants but I wouldn't know where to buy them.
Sole = Not sure
Sturgeon = NA
Sucker  = NA
Sunfish, Pumpkinseed  =
Tilapia = NA
Tilefish =
Trout, Rainbow, Wild = A = Definitely (are they farmed though?)
Trout, Sea = Ocean trout (fillets)-farmed                        
Trout, Steelhead, Wild
Tuna, Bluefin = Not Sure
Tuna, Skipjack = Not Sure
Turbot, European = Will double check
Turtle = Yes but not don't know much about the edible variety.
Weakfish = NA
Whitefish  = Not sure
Whiting = Not sure, Whiting (fillets) are they the same?
Wolfish, Atlantic = Not sure but we are in the Atlantic = think I've seen it.
Yellowtail = Not sure

Maybe someone can set up a way to vote these fish out or in. C-sharp are you free?
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Thanks Cristina.  Mouth is watering after looking at the berries.  Went picking bush mulberries once and got red all over my mouth, chin and hands (don't know how it got near my mouth!)  

Blackcurrant juice is yummy.  Gotto check for the added sugar though!

Just realised, in our garden right now we have many brazillian cherries on the tree.  http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/brazcherry.htm  If I leave some for the resident possums, don't see why I can't eat some in moderation (black dot).  They grow well around the sub-tropics and probably come under cherries  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?104


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Hi Possum, did you read the link at the end of my last post?  Check the typebase:Currants: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?134 were they what you were growing? Yep those were the ones
Grapes: mentions ZANTE grapes which are small grapes dried to make currants http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?178
I really like the dried grape currants and note they don't seem to have preservatives added.  That makes it a black dot under grapes for me as explorer, not an avoid like most other dried fruit with sulphur dioxide preservative.  
Possum - do you know your genotype? I could be either Gatherer or Explorer (I am waiting to get results of secretor test) and will depend entirely on that...It was a fineline between the two & if secretor that is what tips me into being an Explorer... Nobody in NZ seems to do it here...and Australia Post managed to lose the one I recently sent to  Pathlab while I was over there
Added - I see we are all posting at the same time!  You probably didn't see that then Possum.  
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OK a bit more rethinking in managing these postings.

I suggest we keep two different summary tables: one for those food items that have a typebase food equivalent and another one for those items that are specific to local areas that have not been tested by Dr D.  We should then specify our experiences with those items if they have been tested by forum members ensuring that we identify blood types, genotypes, or Swami genotypes from those experiences.

At the same time, we can check to see if those items have been added to the lists of food to be added to the typebase (there is an existing thread for that elsewhere in the forum), and add those items there.  If we keep checking the Typebase we may soon have the wonderful surprise of finding these food items there!!  It is all team work...




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Good Idea Cristina.  Sea Bream I've been eating (was frozen from NZ) is a Super Bene for explorers and certainly feels like it.  It must be equivalent.

Possum, you can read my and Jenny's recent possum stories here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253660214/s-21/highlight-possum/#num21  It's all your fault! just kidding  


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Cristina, Happy to work as a team. Let me know what you need. Forgive me if I seemed to have been taking over. Just thought getting rid of the ones we know are not available would be a good start.
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Possum, you can read my and Jenny's recent possum stories here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253660214/s-21/highlight-possum/#num21  It's all your fault! just kidding  
rofl but not after I read your story!! Pesky aren't we??!!
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We had a currant bush when I used to live in Aus...I've always thought the packets of currants were the berry types?? The grape type are something else aren't they - can't remember the name but more gourmet/expensive?


Possum,
Thanks for your valuable contribution too.  No, the packets of currants, the dry fruit variety that you get in the supermarket are definitely the grape variety.  I have contacted the supplier (at least for Woolworths, but I think other big supermarkets use them too) and they phoned me back today to confirm that they are the grape variety.

And GheeWhiz, I agree with you, those berries look sensational!!




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Possum,Thanks for your valuable contribution too.  No, the packets of currants, the dry fruit variety that you get in the supermarket are definitely the grape variety.  I have contacted the supplier (at least for Woolworths, but I think other big supermarkets use them too) and they phoned me back today to confirm that they are the grape variety.

Glad you clarified that!!! Ta   Cos here was me thinking, if I do turn out to be an explorer, I would be able to eat currants...as they are a diamond

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Are we busy bees.  We are all having so much fun!! our fingers are all getting a work out at the same time!!  This is great everyone!!

With this buzz of activity, we have to forgive each other for answering to things that have already been edited, or deleted, or whatever.  But, this is our forum, and everyone's ideas are welcomed. Just posting something here may inspire not only somebody else, but even ourselves to an even greater idea. So keep them coming.

Another management tip.  Because there is a 72hr restriction for editing posts, and to economize space, I will keep updating the summary tables, adding food to them (even from later posts) until I can edit it no more, in which case, we start a new table.
To quickly get to these tables, we can just use the search tab above here and  search for 'TypeBase Food choices Summary' or 'Local Food choices Summary'. You can see I started on the Typebase one, I am also working on the local one. ...




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Just realised, in our garden right now we have many brazillian cherries on the tree.  http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/brazcherry.htm  If I leave some for the resident possums, don't see why I can't eat some in moderation (black dot).  They grow well around the sub-tropics and probably come under cherries  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?104


Brazilian (Surinam) cherries are not related to regular cherries.

They are in the Myrtle family (along with cloves, guava, feijoa, allspice, and eucalyptus).

Cherries are in the Rose family (along with plums, peaches, almonds, and apricots).


Given this I think you have to consider them as neutral (unrated) and not a black dot.


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It's not that easy with a fish list that uses common names, because you will find that when you look up these common names on a U.S. fish name base you come up with a scientific name that is usually unrelated to any fish, even the fish of the same common name here which has its own scientific name.
Also, when the Australian fish list is worked over  it might be good to delineate family and species.
It is a most frustrating business, and that is why I only came up with a handful of fish which are actually the same throughout the world. C sharp, have you seen my fish list or would you like it?



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I thought I would ask you to help me understand your list. I suppose that NA stands for not available, but what is A? Available (in Australia,



* Fish not found In Australia or NZ marked NA (Not Available)
* Fish found in Australia or NZ marked A (Available)


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Regarding fish lists (I am compiling the tables, but I am also contacting official authorities to confirm our findings, if possible):

I have just finished talking to the Department of Fisheries in Qld, (132523) and they confirmed that we can get Butterfish in Australia, it gets fished in Australian waters.

I have also find the Australian CAAB Taxon report (CAAB Taxon code 37 363001) at this link:
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37363001

Also, there is something to be awared of when buying Butterfish, particularly from fish and chips shops, we could get really sick with some substitutes.  The warning comes from Victoria, though it may also apply to other states too.  Notwithstanding this, the real Butterfish seems to be very tasty.

This link comes from the Bendigo Shire Council in Victoria:

http://www.bendigo.vic.gov.au/Files/Fact_Sheet_Butter_Fish.pdf




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It's not that easy with a fish list that uses common names, because you will find that when you look up these common names on a U.S. fish name base you come up with a scientific name that is usually unrelated to any fish, even the fish of the same common name here which has its own scientific name.
..


Very true Jenny.  I first do a search on the Typebase scientific name and rely on it being correct.  I discussed with the department of Fisheries if American and Australian scientific names could be different.  He said that in general they should be the same if they referring to the same fish, but, that does not work like that all the time, and we may find different names for the same fish.  So the research has to cover everything, scientific names, latin names, common names, photos, descriptions ...  Feel?, touch?, taste? Phewwwww! Where is that Jet?  not easy with any list ....  We will get there eventually ...





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Also, on the subject of Butterfish, we may find them in Australia with the following scientific names:

Selenotoca multifasciata
and
Scatophagus multifasciatus
with the standard name being: Butterfish

Typebase scientific name: SELENOTOCA MULTIFASCIATA

Jenny, I am adding this info to the list you sent me.  Thanks Warior!!




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What I want to add to the pawpaw information is that I purchased a tin of PawPaw from my organic health food store, and found on opening that the flesh is red, quite unlike most of the fruit we buy here, although red pawpaws are slowly becoming available as well. I could not differentiate this tinned fruit from the red that I enjoy fresh. The product was grown in Sri Lanka, but certified under USDA organic rules. the brand is
Bare Foods, organic PAW PAW chunks in pineapple juice. No added sugar.

So my hopeful conclusion is that Paw Paw is the red one, and papaya is the yellow one. simplistic, but hey!



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* Fish not found In Australia or NZ marked NA (Not Available)
* Fish found in Australia or NZ marked A (Available)


thanks C sharp, I deleted this query when I found just after posting that  it had come from another mailing earlier and had been defined. You were quick off the mark!!!




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Also, on the subject of Butterfish, we may find them in Australia with the following scientific names:

Selenotoca multifasciata
and
Scatophagus multifasciatus
with the standard name being: Butterfish

Typebase scientific name: SELENOTOCA MULTIFASCIATA

Jenny, I am adding this info to the list you sent me.  Thanks Warior!!


good work detective, glad you are taking the scientific names into consideration; will you keep your master list going, and in a couple of weeks I will request an update from you?




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Jenny and Cristina...Here I found a site with Australian fish varieties that are commercially available with their scientific names. Many more varieties than we have discussed so far.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list

I once again would like to apologize if I was too quick off the mark. My aim is to help and not to confuse. Yes I agree that the scientific name is important. Like you say Cristina its a big task matching names, photos, etc etc. So I suggest that you divide the list between all those that are volunteering to help.
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We have some fish over here that I haven't heard of... Then there are more common ones but I'm not sure if they are the same as the Aussie ones??!! I'm assuming so...but have included their scientific names...
Grey mullet
Piper (Also known as a garfish)
Yellow-eyed mullet
Flounder
Wrasse (also called kelpie, guffy and paketi)
Red cod & Blue Cod
Groper
Hoki
tarakihi
red mullet
snapper
RAINBOW TROUT (Oncorhynchus mykiss)
CHINOOK SALMON (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
Synonymy: Quinnat salmon, King salmon, Spring salmon
SOCKEYE SALMON (Oncorhynchus nerka)
Synonymy: Blueback salmon, Red salmon, Kokanee
BROWN TROUT (Salmo trutta)
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Paw Paw (american) = Asimina triloba, member of custard apple family
Paw Paw (australian) = Carica papaya also called Papaya in Australia

You are right Jenny, they use the PawPaw term in all possible combinations in Australia, but all tend to make reference to the Carica papaya plant, not the Asimina triloba plant of US.  My Swami list has PAW PAW (asimina triloba) as a diamond and Papaya (carica papaya) as a SF.  I will update the table to indicate that Paw Paw refers to american type of custard apple and Papaya is our pawpaws.

Who said the fish list was complicated?  Paw Paws / Papaya is not far behind ...




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Jenny and Cristina...Here I found a site with Australian fish varieties that are commercially available with their scientific names. Many more varieties than we have discussed so far.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list

I once again would like to apologize if I was too quick off the mark. My aim is to help and not to confuse. Yes I agree that the scientific name is important. Like you say Cristina its a big task matching names, photos, etc etc. So I suggest that you divide the list between all those that are volunteering to help.

Glad we are on the same page; the site you mention above is one of the ones I used a lot initially. There are several other sites too, see the list called "fish base sites" if you have received an attachment from me..




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Paw Paw (american) = Asimina triloba, member of custard apple family
Paw Paw (australian) = Carica papaya also called Papaya in Australia

You are right Jenny, they use the PawPaw term in all possible combinations in Australia, but all tend to make reference to the Carica papaya plant, not the Asimina triloba plant of US.  My Swami list has PAW PAW (asimina triloba) as a diamond and Papaya (carica papaya) as a SF.  I will update the table to indicate that Paw Paw refers to american type of custard apple and Papaya is our pawpaws.

Who said the fish list was complicated?  Paw Paws / Papaya is not far behind ...

What is your opinion about the fruit in the tin I found Cristina? It looks and tastes like our red pawpaw,and has a U.S. stamp of approval., so it must be what they call PawPaw.
This is doing my head in! As yours are both in the good column it is really only of academic interest to you I suppose, but for me, papaya is only a neutral, so I don't want to waste the opportunity of using a better fruit.



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Jenny, if it tastes like banana custard then it has to be the american Paw Paw, if it tastes like our Paw Paws, then it is our paw paw, specially if it is red flesh.  The american one is only yellowish.  That is what it was reported at a previous thread on the subject.  




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Well, dang!!!
Pawpaw has suddenly disappeared from Typebase. Now there is only papaya.
Someone may be doing some sleuthing behind the scenes!!!



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Yes, Jenny, I also noticed that a few minutes ago, but then I was not sure if PAW PAW was ever on the TypeBase database or it has allways only been in our Swami lists?  They are definately 2 different products.  Up late today too? I might give you a ring now if not too late ...




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I have not tried using this setting, but Dr. D. noted that one can switch from US to UK food names in SWAMI. The UK names may be closer to Australian names, but still not fully the same.

Here is his instructions for setting SWAMI to the UK language variant:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1247915915/s-new/#num42


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Well, now officially Cilantro is coriander leaves and coriander is coriander seeds.

But first things first.

no noticed any different in the meat category or eggs, except cornish hen now has added the word Poussin to it.

Fish and seafood:

Scrod became cod fillet
Shrimp added word prawn
Shad added River Herring

Vegetable Proteins
Lima Beans added Green Butter Beans
I think Litchi Nuts got substituted with Lychee stones?

Live Foods
Arugula is Rocket
Beet greens is Beetroot tops
Beet is Beetroot
Romaine Lettuce added word Cos in front
Escarole became Chicory leaf
Zuccini is now Courguette
Rutabaga is now Turnip (this is our Sweeds in australia
Turnips are Turnips

and there are a few others with added names to it

I did not notice any other major changes for my Swami, but I have only skimmed through it.  




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I think Litchi Nuts got substituted with Lychee stones?

Lychee and Litchi are the same thing.

But do people eat the stones?

In the US while it is sometimes called a Lychee nut, people I know only eat the fruit part and leave the seed.

I have always assumed the entry for Lychee nuts should be the fruit and place under fruit rather than "vegetable protein".  Maybe Dr. Greenfield knows something about Lychee/Litchi that I do not.

I may have been misinformed, but I thought the stones were poisonous.


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I checked it on the internet, and I find that Lychee nut or stone, it is not the stone, it refers to the whole dry fruit

check this out:

http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/pages/lycheefruit  




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Quoted from C_Sharp

Lychee and Litchi are the same thing.

I have always assumed the entry for Lychee nuts should be the fruit and place under fruit rather than "vegetable protein".  Maybe Dr. Greenfield knows something about Lychee/Litchi that I do not.

I may have been misinformed, but I thought the stones were poisonous.


On checking Typebase, I think it may have been put in the Vegie Proteins because 'people usually eat them as nuts'.  So obviously, the Lichi or Lychee stones under this category of food refers to the dry fruit.

The fresh version should be under fruits.  Does anybody has it there?

quote from typebase
When dried they're often referred to as litchi nuts because they resemble a nut — the shell turns a dark reddish brown and the flesh becomes brown and crisp. They're eaten as a snack, much in the same way as nuts or candy.
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Remember to check reply 42 on page 2 of this thread for the updates to the summary table ... Welcome any editors ...





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Pawpaw has suddenly disappeared from Typebase


turns up in the GTD listings, but was never on typebase.


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Just noticed this thread - Jenny could you please send me the list too!!

I come home to visit my family a lot (Brissie) and would like to eat right while I'm there and seafoods always high on the food list when I'm there   .

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Thanks for the fish lists Jumari and C_Sharp and everyone for contributing (clever about changing Typebase!) especially Cristina for starting the summary on page 2.  Looks good so far.  It's a big project that everyone's trying to work on here, where to go from here!?  How can we help?  

I'm a bit confused though (easily really).  So we are not updating a fish list anymore? Are we just doing two lists now
1. of what's on typebase and equivalent or different here and
2. what is unique here (and New Zealand) and not on typebase.  
(most untested foods will be seafood and local bush tucker.)

Maybe I could research a few fish when I get a chance each time I get on here to help out.  There are alot of lists in this thread to be investigated.  I'll start through the alphabet of C_sharp and Jumari's list since we know seafood will be the biggest difference.

Barracuda - you can get it in Aus, though it's only neutral for GT4.  Same scientific name as in Typebase and picture looks the same http://www.fishnet.com.au/default.aspx?id=225&fishid=30 Typebase http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?48

BTW Maybe which genotypes can eat them shouldn't be on the list and I shouldn't even put them here because the food lists are copyright?

Maybe we should start another thread on items that aren't found in typebase to separate the two?  Then to make a summary on that thread (I guess it will never end as more food items will be found).  With summaries they could repeat throughout the thread as the edit time expires.  

It's hurting my head here!  Does that make sense?


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BTW Maybe which genotypes can eat them shouldn't be on the list and I shouldn't even put them here because the food lists are copyright?

right, that info is not necessary, since with a tool like swamiexpress, GT lists become more personalized.......

and the purpose of this thread is to identify the fish species


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Ghee Whiz,
It is OK, we will eventually get there.  Yes, as I mentioned earlier, it is better to have two separate lists.  The one summary I have already started with the equivalent food to typebase and our food lists, that includes fish as well.  As you can see I have included a few of those on the list.

We need to start another summary with those other food lists that are not part of the first one, that are unique to our local areas with suggestions on the comments area of who has try them and what their impressions were.

It is better to keep it all in the same thread so people knows there is the one place to come looking for these items and will not need to jump from one to the next.  Also, the items may jump from one summary to the other, from the unknown list to the accepted list, once Dr D's team get a chance to work on them and approve them.  

Also, although Barracuda may be neutral to GT4, according to the book, we do not know how it is placed for the rest of the individualized Swami lists.  We are so unique, that, all we can do is say that I am a and A+ SwamiXpress that is set to emphazize this and that and de-emphazize this and that in the diet, but eating Barracuda has not produced any adverced reaction on me.  If we get a few of those testimonies, then people may have an idea and decide if they want to try them or not.

I hope I expressed myself clear enough here, but I do not mind talking to you on the phone.  I love to get your help for a couple of things and we could be crowding this forum with ideas backwards and forwards ...




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Quoted from Lola

right, that info is not necessary, since with a tool like swamiexpress, GT lists become more personalized.......

and the purpose of this thread is to identify the fish species


Yes's , Lola, exactly my point.  That is why I have not included anything related to blood type or gt in the summary, and I tend to be of the idea of identifying those species, making sure by consensus that they are unknown and non equivalent to Typebase or any of Dr D's lists and report them as such to be added to the typebase/swami lists ...




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I have been looking at Perch for example, Typebase identifies a few different ones, but my swami list listed 3:

Perch (SF), Sea Perch (Neutral) and Orange Roughy or Deep Sea Perch (toxin).

On checking Typebase, I get the idea that this Super Food Perch in Swami refers to any Fresh river Perch, that it could be the white, silver or yellow.  We have those in Australia (I am breeding silver in my AP tank), yellow or Jade Perch native of Barcoo river is very popular and white Perch, I am sure we can get that.  

The Sea perch in Australia there are two variates, the inshore and the offshore.  The offshore Perch is the Orange Roughy, and it is a ground feeder at deep ocean depths.  The sea perch, is found in shallower waters around Australia.  

That is the sort of information I gather we may need to reach concensus in and decide if they go in the equivalent summary table or the unknown summary table.

A few of us can take a few of these fishes and do the background investigation for it, lists findings here and then we decide, yes, lets put it here or there ...




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TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 2
TypebaseAU/NZ Equivalent Comments Countries
Meats
Poultry
Cornish HenSpring chickenYoung chicken,male or female
Eggs/Roe
Fish & Seafood
AbalonePauaNZ only - Reply 99NZ
AbaloneAbalone,Blacklip,brownlip or Greenlip (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99AU
AnchoviesAnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only
BarracudaShort finned (barracuda,pike,snook)Small barracuda, See  Reply 105  
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
ScrodCod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShrimpPrawn
Dairy Products
Vegetable Proteins
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Fats and Oils
Carbohydrates
Live Foods
ArugulaRocketTaken from UK version of Swami
BeetBeet RootsTaken from UK version of Swami
Beet GreensBeetroot GreensTaken from UK version of Swami
EscaroleChicory LeafTaken from UK version of Swami
Romaine LettuceCos Lettuce
RutagabaSweedesIs the yellow parsnip
ZucciniZucciniCourguette in UK version of Swami
Fruits
PapayaPapaw,PawPaw or PapayaCommon Australian paw paw
Paw PawPoor Mans BananaA member of custard apple plant
Currant Red/BlackBlackcurrant/RedcurrantNot the grape variety
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
OrangeOrange
OrangeTangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)Nepal
TangerineMandarin/Tangerine
Spices
CilantroCorianderThe  herb
CorianderCoriander SeedsThe  seeds
Beverages
Condiments

This summary continues on or after Reply 129

See what else we are eating in the southern hemisphere that is not on Typebase by jumping to the summary table posted in reply 113.




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Cristina, good list, but what about also adding these changes when you changed Typbase to UK version:

Shad added River Herring
Lima Beans added Green Butter Beans
Arugula is Rocket
Beet greens is Beetroot tops
Beet is Beetroot


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I am doing it right now, I am adding the category names too to make it easier to find something and some sort of alphabetical order within the categories.  Sounds good?  Good work GW.




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Some more research:

US Paw Paw vs AU Custard Apple,  they are from the same family, PawPaw being the only one in that family that suits temperate climate, the rest in the group including our Custard Apple are adapted to warmer climates.

It seems that they both have similar nutritional values, I am trying to find reliable sources of information, not easy.  So far I found
this website for American PawPaw (check tables 2 and 3 in the article):
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/pawpaw/cooking.htm

If we could only find a similar table for the Custard Apple, we should get a better idea to see if we could use it in place of PawPaw in the southern part of the world.  This is the best site I could locate for nutritional info on Custard Apples:

http://www.gardenology.org/wiki/Custard-apple

What do you think?

PS:  I find a better one and it is tipping me over to give this fruit the thumps up for PAWPAW substitute here!!

http://www.custardapple.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=54
and here:
http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/lounge/benefits-of-custard-apple-2171.html




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Research on Abalone:

http://www.fishnames.com.au/fishnames/fishnames.php?caab=24%20038006

Abalone = Paua in NZ
Abalone = Green or brown or black lip abalone in Australia.  Obsolete name in aussie is Muttonfish which may still be known under.

So this one goes into the equivalent summary.




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I shall offer my body to science, and test custard apple whilst repeating the mantra---this is the same as american pawpaw. I will report back (if I survive the experiment).
Excellent progress on this thread, thanks Cristina and everyone.



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Research on Barracuda:

Typebase warn us that the great barracuda that grows to about 100pds has toxic flesh, so it should be avoided, but the scientific name cited is precisely the one for the great ocen barracuda, both in US or Australia!

The description though seems to indicate that a smaller barracuda fish of not more than 4 to 8 pounds is the one to eat.  I wonder if this is the Barracudina? The pacific or indian pacific barracudina?
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37126006&frames=Y

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Ribbon-Barracudina-Arctozenus-risso-Bonaparte-1840/




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I can see now why the Aussie Moonfish is not the same as the American halfmoon fish.

http://www.hooklinesinker.tv/gallery/2009/16_moonfish.jpg

Thats one we can eliminate.
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Jumari,  do you want to take that one on and post here your research?

It looks like a little devil, doesn t it?




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Cristina...Being of an A bloodtype as yourself. Fish is our main source of protein. And because of our location, the list we have is cut in less than half. My immediate goal, is to hopefully expand that list to have more options and remove those that are just adding to the confusion. We can take on the entire Australian fish species list (some of which are inedible) or look into the fish that are readily available at most fish shops.

Just yesterday, I noticed that they had Spanish Mackarel fillets for sale. I hadn't seen them here before. That and a whole bonito. I'm just hoping that we can prioritize on the edible fish and then continue on with the rest afterwards. There is perch, snapper, red snapper, blue eyed cod and  ocean trout that I'm currently avoiding because I don't know whether they are the same as the american variety.

One thing for sure. I do miss eating prawns, they are so easy to cook and find. Not to mention crab. Maybe next lifetime.
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Barracuda Research:

I am coming to the conclusion that the equivalent of the small barracuda cited in the typebase is the australian Snook or      Sphyraena novaehollandiae

Check this fishnames website for snook entry:

http://fishnames.net.au/fishna.....=standard&search

I think we can put this in the equivalent table.  




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Cristina...Being of an A bloodtype as yourself. Fish is our main source of protein. And because of our location, the list we have is cut in less than half. My immediate goal, is to hopefully expand that list to have more options and remove those that are just adding to the confusion. We can take on the entire Australian fish species list (some of which are inedible) or look into the fish that are readily available at most fish shops.

Just yesterday, I noticed that they had Spanish Mackarel fillets for sale. I hadn't seen them here before. That and a whole bonito. I'm just hoping that we can prioritize on the edible fish and then continue on with the rest afterwards. There is perch, snapper, red snapper, blue eyed cod and  ocean trout that I'm currently avoiding because I don't know whether they are the same as the american variety.

One thing for sure. I do miss eating prawns, they are so easy to cook and find. Not to mention crab. Maybe next lifetime.


I agree, just go with the fish that we see in our fishmongers; my list was based on winter fish in the Canberra markets, so clearly there are far more all over the country, and with the change of season; that is why it is so good that many of us are taking an interest in this issue.
Jumari to eat prawns and crabs, what species do you think you will need to be reborn as?





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How about we take all these local fishes and place them in a table indicating, common name, scientific name (if known), Location (Qld, Tassie, NSW, NZ ...) and a pointer to the testimonials indicating the number of the particular replies that recommended these fishes.  Then people will look for their local fish and be able to quickly find who has been eating them and if there have been any bad reactions to it or not.

The table could look something like this:
Non TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 1
Common Name   Scientific Name   Location   Testimonials  
Fish and seafood
Fishweird nameqld, tassieReply xx,yy,zz

We will not be saying this is good for ABO type A, or B or GT Teacher or Gatherer or others, but we will be striving to include in our replies as much information about our unique composition as possible.  Posting, I ate it, I like it will be good to know, but adding the other extra info that make us to be us, will be better.  We may then be able to spot a trend, without specifically recommending it is good for this or that ABO, after all we are no doctors and this is not a doctor supervised trial.  Everything is done at our own risk for the good of the community, with the best intentions and with a lot of fun!!


Jenny, Jumari, GW or others, will you like to start that table here? or do you want me to?  Either way I do not mind.  Team work, team work ...




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Just yesterday, I noticed that they had Spanish Mackarel fillets for sale. I hadn't seen them here before. That and a whole bonito. I'm just hoping that we can prioritize on the edible fish and then continue on with the rest afterwards. There is perch, snapper, red snapper, blue eyed cod and  ocean trout that I'm currently avoiding because I don't know whether they are the same as the american variety.

One thing for sure. I do miss eating prawns, they are so easy to cook and find. Not to mention crab. Maybe next lifetime.


DH loves those praws and crab too, but so far he is using this lifestime to enjoy it, although I think he is a Teacher ...

Did you ended up buying any of those fishes? or are they toxins in your swami?  The spanish one is a neutral in mine, I do not have bonito ???




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I'm not a very good cook but yesterday my partner taught me how to foil / wrap fish and oven bake them for just 20 minutes. We had a fillet of Barramundi (not tested) and Ocean Perch (not yet matched). Tastewise, the Barra was way better with just Olive oil and Garlic. I'm taking a gamble with that one but I don't think its a bottom feeder or oily fish.

Its good to know that John Dory is out for A's. By the look of the Ling Ling, that one looks suspiciously like a bottom feeder too as it is flat ugly thing with strange whiskers. The sort of thing you find at the bottom.

Spanish Mackarel was a good find. But it doesn't seem to be in the Typebase. But it is in Swami. And guess what its a black dot for me at the moment.

I have cut and paste the list of fish that Jenny found equivalents for. I hope you don't mind if I post that here. That way other Australians that come to the site can easily see them without having to ask someone for a list.

Common name  Latin name  nearest Latin name in U.S.         Common name in U.S.
Gold band snapper    lutjanidae                utjanus campechanus               nth red
Luderick (blackfish) girella tricuspidate     girella nigricans   0paleye fish                        
mullet (whole)            mugil cephalis             same flathead mullet /black mullet            
Orange roughy (deep sea perch)       hoplostethus atlanticus    same              same  
Rainbow trout   oncorhynchus mykis    same        - rainbow trout/coastrange trout                 Red snapper (fillets) (breams?)  sparidae    lutjanus campechanus         nth red snapper
Salmon tails (fillets) farmed         oncorhynchus        same     many different names      
Snapper (whole) (breams)  sparidae      lutjanus campechanus            nth red snapper  
Swordfish (steaks)     xiphias gladius                 same                     same/broadbill      
Yellowfin tuna sashimi (steaks)   thunnus albacares    same                            same    

  
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I agree, just go with the fish that we see in our fishmongers; my list was based on winter fish in the Canberra markets, so clearly there are far more all over the country, and with the change of season; that is why it is so good that many of us are taking an interest in this issue.
Jumari to eat prawns and crabs, what species do you think you will need to be reborn as?





To answer your question I think I'll stick to being human but not sure about blood type A. Which blood type has the largest selection of choices, I'll chose that one.

Looking at the above list, we haven't got many fish to chose from have we? Even after including those recent ones Cristina has added. Have any of you ever eaten Barracuda or seen it in the market?
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That is great idea Jumari, I am adding those to the list.  I have been going back to the posts and answering the earlier queries, like your Mackarel.  I find some information and in the next few minutes I will be updating the summary with the matches and of course posting my research here first.
School holidays in aussieland and have been babysitting grandkids quite a bit the last few days, so apologies if I have been a bit slow here, but I have been researching in the background and posting as I go along.  Slowly but surely we get there. Keep on posting your research as you go along, with links to where the basis of your decisions come from.   Nice to have you in the team Jumari.
That fish sounds mouth watering.  I used to eat a lot of barramandi, but not since GT, I have been eating Perch, whatever I can get too and it is OK for both DH and myself (both A+ and Swami BTD/GTD Teacher.  




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Looking at the above list, we haven't got many fish to chose from have we? Even after including those recent ones Cristina has added. Have any of you ever eaten Barracuda or seen it in the market?


All in due course, by the time we finish here there will be heaps to choose from.  Have faith ...  




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Non TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 1
Common Name   Scientific Name   Location   Testimonials  
Fish and seafood
Barramundi(Lates calcarifer) Australia,NewZealandbarra,giant Perch, aussie seabass,silver jack - Reply 108,114,117
Blue MackerelScomber australasicus Australia,NewZealandJapanece or Pacific or Spotted Mackerel, Spotted Chub - Reply 8
Blue-eyed CodHyperoglyphe antarctica Australia,NewZealandAntarctic butterfish, deepsea trevally, blue eye trevalla, - Reply 31
GoosefishLophiodes naresiAustralia,NewZealand Shortspine, Smooth and Broadhead Goosefish. Edible fish in this group may be equivalent to Monkfish Reply 26,131  
HokiMacruronus novaezelandiae Australia,NewZealandBlue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7
GemfishRexea solandriAustralia,NewZealand Also Hake,King Couta, Kingfish, Silver Kingfish and Southern Kingfish Reply 26, 128




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Barramundi

http://www.nativefish.asn.au/barramundi.html

Some mouthwatering pictures here:

http://www.abfa.org.au/quality.html

Very popular in the aussie, NZ? cuisine, but ensure the source/supplier is reputable and it comes from clean waters.

The Wikipedia encyclopedia has the following warning:
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    Not to be confused with the Barramundi Cod or the Australian members of the genus Scleropages (which sometimes are referred to as Barramundis).
unquote

So I gather the one we want to eat is Perch Barramundi, or barra, or ... what else? I think I listed a few names on the summary (reply 113).




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Yes Cristina...A list of Aussie and NZ fish that have not been tested would probably also be beneficial to everyone.

I can't help but wonder how the testing phase is carried out. Does NAP just require a sample of the food and somehow mix it in with different blood samples or does it involve actual volunteers of differing blood groups that have to be tested over a period of time? Any NAP people care to give us a general description of how its done? For Example, what would be involved in testing  "Barramundi"?
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Slightly off topic, but could be helpful to Sydneysiders or Melbournians----Gina, our very helpful friend in NZ will be in Australia for the mind/body/spirit festivals soon, with some NAP samples for sale I understand. I will copy her information for those of you who want to meet her.


Quote: The Sydney MBS Festival starts on Thursday 5th November until Sunday 8th November and the Melbourne dates are Friday 19th November until Sunday 22nd November.
The website is http://www.mbsfestival.com.au



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A very big THANK YOU to Christina, Jenny, Jumari and others who are putting all this hard work into the untested fish.  

"Flake" which is a commonly used name for shark and sold as battered fish in many fish & chip shops, would I assume, be an avoid for all GT's.

The reef fish are in plenty up here in Qld., coral trout, red emperor, barra etc. I have been eating these and would not know if I should but have not noticed any obvious effects.  What would a negative effect be?  

Thanks for the currant tip...been consuming these daily for most of this year as I thought I was snacking on diamond food!        
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"Flake" which is a commonly used name for shark and sold as battered fish in many fish & chip shops, would I assume, be an avoid for all GT's.

The reef fish are in plenty up here in Qld., coral trout, red emperor, barra etc. I have been eating these and would not know if I should but have not noticed any obvious effects.  What would a negative effect be?  

Thanks for the currant tip...been consuming these daily for most of this year as I thought I was snacking on diamond food!        


Thank you too Shell, by posting your thought here it serves as a testimony for these foods.  I will add your reply to the 'Not in Typebase' table.

I was disappointed about the currant tip too.  They were part of my survival package.  It is such a convenient yummy food and also, I did not notice any adverse effects, which is to expect, because, as doctor D mentioned:

Quoted from Dr. D
The sicker we are, the more sensitive to avoids our tissues become.


So, we are definitely in the progress path when we can afford to 'enjoy' these hidden avoids without noticing ill effects (but since I pushed them to the no no pile) ...




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Hi Shells,

In my opionion, flake or shark is a neutral for some. If it is not mentioned as a superfood or toxin in your respective  Genotype fish list, its a neutral and OK to eat.

With regards to negative effects. I would say that they would vary from the obvious to the more subtle. Stomach pain, diarrhea, head aches and sometimes just lower energy levels. But wait till someone else confirms my observations before listening to me.

Good luck with your diet and welcome.
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What I want to add to the pawpaw information is that I purchased a tin of PawPaw from my organic health food store, and found on opening that the flesh is red, quite unlike most of the fruit we buy here, although red pawpaws are slowly becoming available as well. I could not differentiate this tinned fruit from the red that I enjoy fresh. The product was grown in Sri Lanka, but certified under USDA organic rules. the brand is
Bare Foods, organic PAW PAW chunks in pineapple juice. No added sugar.

So my hopeful conclusion is that Paw Paw is the red one, and papaya is the yellow one. simplistic, but hey!


Well, the second tin of the same product that I have just opened, whilst it has a picture of a red papaya on the label, turned out to be yellow, looking more like mango pieces than anything else, but, wait for it, with a slight taste of custard apple. Bingo.




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Quoted Text
Any NAP people care to give us a general description of how its done? For Example, what would be involved in testing  "Barramundi"?


ok, you asked for it!!!  
it ain t a piece of cake!!!

Quoted Text
Dr D
1.you must have the requisite
training in immunology, hematology, biochemisty, genetics and pathophysiology.


2. Understand the cellular dynamics of ABO sufficient to develop appropriate
technique.

Understand the molecular biology and elemental cytology behind ABH secretion,
gut glycosylation and membrane dynamics. Understand the mechanics of cell
membrane manipulation techniques, such as  basic cell washing techniques, DTT
de-antigenation and membrane electrical zeta potential. Understand and
execute capably various direct and indirect antiglobulin techniques (Coombs
testing).  Possess  basic cytology/histology apparatus (incubators, cell
culture materials) to propagate organ-specific cell lines.

3. Capably and reliably execute various ABO related serological techniques.


Understand and perform capably saline titration of anti A, anti-B and anti-AB
IgM antibodies with serum titer determination. Comprehend and perform
capably anti-A and anti-B IgG1-4 block (ala Kabat and Weiner) titration.

4. Develop proper extraction technique for lectins and other biologically
active food constituents.

Have access to an research grade electrophoresis device and understand
capably the techniques of gel immunoelectrophoresis and immuno-diffusion.
Possess a full range of cell growth adjuvants that allow in vitro lectins to
behave as in biological conditions.  Perform and understand various techniques
of lymphocyte blastogenesis and mitogen studies.  Undertand lectin
specificities and competitive inhibition techniques involving blocking sugars.





Now, on top of eveything else, do this for a minimum of five years.  Shorter
than that and I'm probably not going to believe your results.


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ok, you asked for it!!!  
it ain t a piece of cake!!!



And this is for BTD.

Even more factors are considered in rating foods for GenoType and SWAMI diets.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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In other words a diploma in Rocket Science. Thanks for the explanation, I truly appreciate it. Where does that leave the humble Barramundi though? Can we send you one so we can maybe have results 5 years from now?
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Where does that leave the humble Barramundi though?


you know the drill.....any unlisted food treat as neutral.....etc, etc


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So...

Where is the 'list' I can use to include some Aussie vernacular with the UK-English?


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Dr D, thanks very much for giving us hope by posting here!!

We have two summary tables going here.  A summary table (currrently on reply 95) where we list typebase food items with the corresponding names used in this part of the world.  The second table is a summary table dedicated to Seafood for those species popular in these areas but that have not been identified in the database yet. You find this table in posted Reply 113.

We are researching the net for scientific names and nutritional information for the local species and sometimes we have been able to match them to Typebase (then they get promoted to the first table).  If no match is found they will stay in the local summary or non Typebase table.
I have included a column with the posted Reply no. referencing the fish, so we can check if anyone has eaten the fish and what their effects have been.

Jenny's list is also posted here by Jumari on reply 109. Do you want us to e-mail it to you?  I am not sure if we can attach files in PM, but we can certainly use normal mail.  

Also, Dr D, in my search over the internet for Hoki fish, I came across a couple of links that seem to indicate that Hoki was included in your evaluations, but it is not listed in Typebase and it does not seem to list in our Swamis...?
By the way for Jhon Doe, Hake was a Beneficial and Hoki a Neutral according to his published Swami Pro.  




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Well, well, look what I found on the net, this may clarify and confuse us all.  I think it is a real eye opener and it demonstrates the difficulty of the task ahead for all of us, but particularly for Dr D. in his quest to make sense of our sea world.

I think we can use some of this info for our summaries.

Enjoy    and learn if you can, I am still trying:  

http://www.fishvictoria.com/pyoursay/tales/020521name.php




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I actually did go to the Sydney fish market and found other fish that are not on the list. I had some Kingfish Sashimi which was delicious, not knowing if it is a Toxin. The other is Gem fish.



sashimi Japaneese word meaning 'Pierced body'
The following link goes onto explaining how this applies to the any fish, like at the Sydney markets, here is an extract from it:

quote
One possibility of the name "pierced body" could come from the traditional method of harvesting. 'Sashimi Grade' fish is caught by individual handline, and as soon as the fish is landed, its brain is pierced with a sharp spike, killing it instantly, then placed in slurried ice.
unquote

So, Kingfish sashimi may refer to a Kingfish caught and killed in a special way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sashimi

Now the following link from the Australian government, department of environment identifies the Eastern Gemfish ( Rexea solandri ) with the following other names: Gemfish, Hake, King Couta, Kingfish, Silver Kingfish and Southern Kingfish.  So the Kingfish sashimi you saw, could have been a confused Gemfish.

http://www.environment.gov.au/cgi-bin/sprat/public/publicspecies.pl?taxon_id=76339 (click on Taxonomy to get to the names part)

I am also throwing in the Australian taxon report link for gemfish and its equivalent american ITIS report:
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37439002&frames=Y

http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt

And what Wikipedia has to say about Kingfish.  Take your pick:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingfish

... and of course, Gemfish is added to the non-Typebase summary.  Thanks Jumari for providing us with these entertaining fishes.  






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Just find a website from the Australian Government, Department of Environment with the following information:

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Species Selenotoca multifasciata (Richardson, 1846)
Striped Scat, Banded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish
unquote

Selenotoca multifasciata is what the Typebase identifies as Butterfish, so Dory fish is now part of the equivalent table for Butterfish.

We love Dory, so now we will be eagerly looking for it!!


Here is the link:

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Blue-eyed Cod Research:
Hyperoglyphe antarctica

ITIS code 172514
http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt

Australian CAAB Taxon report:
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37445001&frames=Y

A nice Pic from the Australian DPI (Department of Primary Industries):
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/saltwater/sw-species/blue-eye-cod

More pics and descriptions from the Australian Museum.
http://australianmuseum.net.au/Blue-eye-Trevalla-Hyperoglyphe-antarctica-Carmichael-1818

In conclusion, the Blue-eyed Cod seems to be more of a Butterfish than a Cod.   Placed it in the non-equivalent table on posted reply 113.




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Research on Monkfish:
Typebase sci name: LOPHIUS AMERICANUS  and its ITIS code is 164499
Common names listed at ITIS are : Goosefish, Monkfish
http://www.itis.gov/servlet/SingleRpt/SingleRpt

Lophius Americanus is also called American Angler being part of the angler family.  So, it may be safely to assume that its australian counterpart should be found in the same family, the Lophiidae  family.

http://foa.webboy.net/family/lophiidae

http://www.zoo-hoo.com/index.php?q=Angler_fish

All we need to confirm now is if this goosefish is edible like its american counterpart.

There are many other fishes we call Monkfish in Australian, like the very popular Angel Sharks, but they are not the same family as the one in typebase.

So, who knows Jumari, maybe the Monkfish you  took home was not the one intended to be  

For the time being this one goes on both tables with a warning to await confirmation or report findings here.








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Note: Fish and Seafood category is now on a table of its own (check Reply 144)TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 3
TypebaseAU/NZ Equivalent Comments Countries
Meats
Poultry
Cornish HenSpring chickenYoung chicken,male or female
Eggs/Roe
Dairy Products
Vegetable Proteins
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Fats and Oils
Carbohydrates
Live Foods
ArugulaRocketTaken from UK version of Swami
BeetBeet RootsTaken from UK version of Swami
Beet GreensBeetroot GreensTaken from UK version of Swami
EscaroleChicory LeafTaken from UK version of Swami
Mushroom/ChampignonWhite Mushroomsincl canned champignons, fresh button mushrooms, flat whites - Reply 139,145
Romaine LettuceCos Lettuce
RutagabaSweedesIs the yellow parsnip
ZucciniZucciniCourguette in UK version of Swami
Fruits
PapayaPapaw,PawPaw or PapayaCommon Australian paw paw
Paw PawPoor Mans BananaA member of custard apple plant
Currant Red/BlackBlackcurrant/RedcurrantNot the grape variety
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
OrangeOrange
OrangeTangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)Nepal
TangerineMandarin/Tangerine
Spices
CilantroCorianderThe  herb
CorianderCoriander SeedsThe  seeds
Beverages
Condiments

This summary continues on or after Reply 145

See what else we are eating in the southern hemisphere that is not on Typebase by jumping to the summary table posted in reply 113.




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Ouch!! Fell off the perch!!   Will continue with this one soon ...




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Research on Perches:
Ouch!! Fell off the perch!!   Will continue with this one soon ...
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I've been trying to find the instructions on how to access the UK Typebase.

Can someone just post a link to make it easy to get to?
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Also, Dr D, in my search over the internet for Hoki fish, I came across a couple of links that seem to indicate that Hoki was included in your evaluations, but it is not listed in Typebase and it does not seem to list in our Swamis...?
Hoki is the one fish that is very affordable here in NZ so I buy it a lot...Its also a wonderful fish & has a mild to non "flavour" & a nice texture... so really hope it is good for type O's...

Thanks heaps Cristina & all you others for all your work... (didn't  want to individually list you all, in case I forgot someone )  
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Good work everyone!  Thanks!
Going through the thread again and trying to complete some unfinished items.  It hurts my head to try and keep up with all on here though and keep my kid busy at the same time!

Quoted from Cristina
Commercial Mushrooms, Silver dollar mushrooms:

Agaricus bisporus
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Agaricus bisporus—known variously as the common mushroom, button mushroom, white mushroom, table mushroom, portobello mushroom, crimini mushroom, Swiss Brown mushrooms, also known as Cremini, Italian Brown, Italian mushroom, Roman Brown mushrooms, or cultivated mushroom —is an edible basidiomycete mushroom native to grasslands in Europe and North America. A. bisporus is cultivated in more than 70 countries.[1]


I was wondering if Champignons were okay to eat, we get canned here in Australia alot.  So I looked at a few websites with pictures of mushrooms including http://www.foodsubs.com/Mushroom.html.  When I looked it up in the Typebase (http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?502) I found that the french name for white mushroom is Champignon so I guess they are just small white mushrooms.  That may be helpful to someone though not aussie specific.


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Thank you everyone for your hard work researching and compiling.  
Great Link Cristina about the fish names
changing http://www.fishvictoria.com/pyoursay/tales/020521name.php  
We're up against marketing wizards here and different names in different states, what are fish, criminals?

Jenny you were very bold to test the paw paw, thanks.  Everyone is
working so hard on this.  Sorry not much from me lately, busy with my little one at home at the moment.

Good research on the Barracuda Cristina.  

Did some searching of the Dadamo website for Barramundi:
Found this old post from the blood type forums.  

"Giant sea perch? 'Lates calcarifer?'

Posted By: ^heidi^ O+ ns iNFj
Date: Tuesday, 18 December 2001, at 12:37 p.m.

In Response To: barramudi (ROSIE 'downunder' A- ? sec nearly 30)

If that's what "barramudi" is, then I would think it is at least

neutral for As. Freshwater and sea perch are listed as good for both

secretor & nonsecretor type A.

http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archived/config.pl?read=133797

I hope Barra comes under Perch as it is so delicious and I've eaten it with no ill effects for a long time.  I'll vouch for it being good for A types too.



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Deep sea fish are the least likely to have toxins - especially heavy

metals. Orange roughy, mostly caught in deep water off Tasmania, is

excellent! Wild barramundi is probably OK because the inland waterways

in the north are still pretty clean!

Avoid fish that are high up the food chain like shark (flake) and

couta (barracouta).

http://www.fishbase.org/search.cfm is a GREAT site, that lists common

names for over 25,000 varieties of fish -- and lists the scientific

names, so you can see if the fish are the same species, or same family

as the ones Dr D lists!

Good hunting!

Pat in Oz too
" from http://www.dadamo.com/forum/archivec/config.pl?read=108768

Here's a thread where Jenny explained more of how she made her fish
list: http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?v-print/m-1237141563/


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Good Idea Cristina.  Sea Bream I've been eating (was frozen from NZ) is a Super Bene for explorers and certainly feels like it.  It must be equivalent.


Sorry it's actually called Ocean Bream aka tarakihi aka jackass morwong !  Maybe that's a good nickname for me now for getting the name wrong and trying to research this!

This is what it says on the label (1 advantage of buying frozen fish!):
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"Ocean Bream (nemadactylus macropterus) is also known as larakihi in New Zealand.  It is caught all year round (sic) with the largest catches from February to June.  The Flesh is whitish and has a firm texture.  It is suitable for most methods of cooking, including grilling, steaming and frying.  (It also has a picture very much like on the Fishbase page)"


http://www.fishbase.org/summary/speciessummary.php?id=10106
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(Note: distribution Indo-Pacific: St. Paul and Amsterdam islands in the Indian Ocean, southern Australia, including Tasmania, and New Zealand. Southwest Atlantic: southern South America.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarakihi

Sea or Ocean Bream (any kind of bream) are not listed as named in the D'Adamo Typebase. Sea Bream is listed in the Genotype Diet book though.  Searching the Dadamo site reveals Sea Bream is a common name for Porgy  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?322
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"Widely known as sea bream, there are many different varieties of this fish family in the United States and around the world. The most popular United States porgy is the scup, which is found in Atlantic waters. Porgies have a firm, low-fat flesh with a delicate, mild flavor. Although some grow to 20 pounds, most fall into the 1/2- to 3-pound range. They're available fresh and frozen, and are generally sold whole. The porgy is suitable for almost any method of cooking, including baking, grilling and frying."

The picture of the Porgy is quite different from the Tarakihi, though similarities in the body, different fins and eye location.  

Also found a different Typebase Entry for Scup with similar information, but it's different beneficially for different bloodtypes than the Porgy.  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?514

I see that Bream is a general term for many species of fish.  It is used to describe fish that are narrow, deep bodied species.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bream
Also, "The term sea bream is sometimes used for porgies (family Sparidae) or pomfrets (family Bramidae)"  

Looking at pomfrets there are many species under there not ours though, they are found in the Atlantic, Indian, and Pacific Ocean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomfret.  Porgies look more similar to the fish but are in a totally different family so unfortunately, they don't seem to be related at all.  

I was about to say this is another unknown fish as the Sea Bream mentioned must be the porgy.  But checking the SWAMI for John Doe (created July 07) lists only Porgy (also scup, no pomfret).  However, the sample SWAMI for Jane Public (created March 0, lists both Sea Bream AND Porgy (and no pompfret, also lists scup (the most popular porgy type in a different category to porgy!).  So I guess Sea Bream must have been added later but not put in Typebase and could be many species of fish!!  

Cannot say if this is the Sea Bream listed in the GTD unfortunately.  Can say I've had no bad effects from eating it though!


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Great work Ghee Whiz, studying your info to update the tables.  Keep them coming fellow researcher!
I feel with you regarding those beautiful boundles of joy, our kids, grandkids.  I had my grandkids quite a bit this fortnight with the school hols, so although my PC is on 24/7, I only got to work on it very little during the day.  Great progress last night though, got carry away and stay on all night!!!  Dr D' Protein blend for A's that I had for breakfast yesterday for the first time has done some magic trick, that and the fact that Dr D himself took time to post in our thread, spurred me on.  I slept most of the morning though.  Do not worry, I do not plan to do this again! the beauty of not having to go to work, you are your own time keeper ...




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Extracted the Fish and Seafood category from the equivalent table to make them easier to manage.  We now have two dedicated tables for Fish, the equivalent and the local one.  Thanks everyone for these helpful suggestions and postings.  Great work!

TypeBase Fish and Seafood Choices Summary No 1
TypebaseAU/NZ Equivalent Comments
Fish & Seafood
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata )Paua ((Haliotidae Iris)NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata )(Haliotidae)Abalone,Blacklip(rubra),brownlip (conicopora) or Greenlip (laevigata) (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99
Anchovies (Engralis Mordax )canned AnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only (Engraulis encrasicolus)
Atlantic Cod(Gadus morhua)Atlantic CodSeafood Services Australia Reply 153  
BarracudaShort finned (barracuda,pike,snook)Small barracuda, See  Reply 105  
Bluefish (Pomatomus saltatrix)TaylorSeafood Services Australia See  Reply 153  
Bullhead(Ictalurus Nebulosus)NZ Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus)NIWA Atlas of NZ Reply 157  
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
Carp(Cyprinus carpio)European CarpSeafood Services Australia Reply 153  
Herrings/Atlantic (Clupea Harengus Harengus)HerringsCaabTaxon code 37 085790 - Reply 156  
ScrodCod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShrimpPrawn
Silver PerchSilver PerchReply 133
Pollock (Pollachius Virens)ColeyCaabTaxon code 37 226796 Reply 162




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Good work everyone!  ...
I was wondering if Champignons were okay to eat, we get canned here in Australia alot.  ...


I used to eat those tin mushrooms all the time, sauteeing them with cream and onion ... the bad old days.  Today I concentrate my efforts on the fresh varieties, there are always so many there!  But, we not always can get things fresh and it is good to have some canned reserves in the pantry.  Well now we can do it with piece of mind because I find this website too that seems to confirm that the champignon mushromms are indeed the same as the white mushrooms depicted in typebase.  They have the same Sci name.

Read on the mushromm descriptions from this 'How to grow, harvest etc' course on mushrooms:

http://www.acseduonline.com/courses/product.aspx?id=336

Does everybody agrees that the mushroom terminology in aussie/nz land is the same as the Typebase (Oyster, Shiitake, Enoki, Straw, etc mushrooms), therefore there is no need to post to these tables?  We are just concentrating on what is different, something that is here and it is not there (in the Typebase) or it is here under a different name and we are trying to match.  Any other mushrooms you came across that we do  not know how to place?
There are a couple in Typebase like the mitaake and black trumpet that I have never seen here, but then I have not visit any asian markets or specialty stores lately, that is the best bet to find these.
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Yeah I agree that the names of mushrooms seem to be the same as in the USA (with relief)  .  Only bought it up on here again in case other people using champignons have wondered where they come under.  I get them canned sometimes very convenient.  Of course fresh is best!

I've seen Mitaake mushrooms around.

Cristina - If they're alright on your SWAMI you could still saute them with Ghee or compliant oil with onion couldn't you?  As a side dish of course.

Thanks for adding them to the list, reckon we can leave mushrooms alone now!    


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GW, Your pickup on the champignons was excellent and it is on the table (not under fruit anymore, I do not think anyone notice though!). I was just referring to all the others, the terminology seems the same, so as you said, we can all breath now and close the mushy issue.  Unless of course, somebody else has something different to tell us.  

The bad old days was referring to the bad old full fatty pasteurized, homogenized who know what else, full of additives cream .. Spoiling a perfectly good canned product.  




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Yeah I agree that the names of mushrooms seem to be the same as in the USA (with relief)  .  Only bought it up on here again in case other people using champignons have wondered where they come under.  I get them canned sometimes very convenient.  Of course fresh is best!

I've seen Mitaake mushrooms around.

Cristina - If they're alright on your SWAMI you could still saute them with Ghee or compliant oil with onion couldn't you?  As a side dish of course.

Thanks for adding them to the list, reckon we can leave mushrooms alone now!    


Where did you see Maitake mushrooms? I've been looking for them for years!!!




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So...

Where is the 'list' I can use to include some Aussie vernacular with the UK-English?

I would be more than happy to send my basic fish list but I don't think I can attach anything via the personal message system, but would need an email address to send to.




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Also, Dr D, in my search over the internet for Hoki fish, I came across a couple of links that seem to indicate that Hoki was included in your evaluations, but it is not listed in Typebase and it does not seem to list in our Swamis...?
Hoki is the one fish that is very affordable here in NZ so I buy it a lot...Its also a wonderful fish & has a mild to non "flavour" & a nice texture... so really hope it is good for type O's...

Thanks heaps Cristina & all you others for all your work... (didn't  want to individually list you all, in case I forgot someone )  

I don't know where I got the following information, but I suspect that Hoki may be the same as Hake.




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Jenny, it looks like you survived the 'custard apple' experiment.  Have you tried them yet?  I have not seen any custard apples a the local shops yet, maybe it is too early, late?




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Ladies, I've downloaded the Excell (xls) version of the CSIRO Fish list found on the link below and managed to find these matches so far. They have the same scientific name.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list


US Name (BTD)     Scientific Name               Aussie Equivalent

BLUEFISH                     POMATOMUS SALTATRIX      Tailor
CARP                        CYPRINUS CARPIO              European Carp
COD / ATLANTIC     GADUS MORHUA              Atlantic Cod


Also found that these are not the same fish;

(From BTD Typebase)
CATFISH     (ICTALURUS FURCATUS)
CHUB (KYPHOSUS LEMBUS)

not the same as the Australian variety;

Catfish (Arius spp)  or Freshwater Catfish - (Tandanus tandanus)
Chub Mackerel     (Scomber japonicus)

Let me know if you require further research. I will continue on with Scientific name matching with the rest of the BTD typebase. I also have a list of fish on the typebase that have no Austrailian counterpart, based on Scientific name.

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I don't know where I got the following information, but I suspect that Hoki may be the same as Hake.
Thanks Jenny...

Conveniently, one of my husband's colleagues has just left to take up a position with NZ Fisheries...so I may be able to source info from him in the furture re NZ species...
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Jenny, it looks like you survived the 'custard apple' experiment.  Have you tried them yet?  I have not seen any custard apples a the local shops yet, maybe it is too early, late?


I suspect that they are summer tropical fruits, but I am keeping a look out. But the more I use the PawPaw in the cans that I mentioned earlier, the more I can taste a custard apple flavour. Which makes me think that the cans at least are genuine PawPaw, and not papaya. Which would be wonderful if true.




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Research Herrings:
I have updated the equivalent fish table with Typebase Herrings, same in Australia.

Also, I have removed the country column and added scientific names to the summary.  Trying to pack as much useful info on these summaries as we can.

Jenny, I will be chasing those pawpaw tins on my next trip to the health shop.

Jumari, I have updated the equivalent fish summary with your info from reply 152.  Great work!!

Posum, we are looking forward to official reports from you backed up by Fisheries officials ...

Keep up the good work everyone, continue doing research behind the scenes and posting here your findings.  




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Jumari, Possum,

I may have found a NZ equivalent for the Bullhead (catfish) according to this report from UNIDATA:

http://unidata.com.au/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/catfish

and this from the Australian Society:

http://www.asfb.org.au/pubs/2003/2003nz-13.htm#TopOfPage

So I am adding this Bullhead to the equivalent table.  




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I can use any Excel type spreadsheet. Just two columns: Current SWAMI name and Australian/NZ terminology.

Can send to peter@dadamo.com *

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I can use any Excel type spreadsheet. Just two columns: Current SWAMI name and Australian/NZ terminology.

Can send to peter@dadamo.com *

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Cristina, could I nominate you to do this task please as you would probably have the most up to date collection of our information?




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there is a thread on Live Right for an A type who is in Brisbane. Lola gave out the address of a naturopath on the Gold Coast who may be helpful.

David Bridgeman:
07 5570 1171 at Surfers Paradise. Spark of
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Research on Pollock:

US = Pollock
AU/NZ = Coley
Same scientific name for both: Pollachius virens

Australia Caab taxon report no: 37 226796

Pollock goes to the equivalent fish table.  




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Cristina, could I nominate you to do this task please as you would probably have the most up to date collection of our information?



Ok Jenny, Obviously Dr D only wants the equivalent table which is still a work in progress.  I will create the spreadsheet with those two columns and send it over to him.  I may also add at the bottom all those other fishes from this thread and your list that do not have equivalent in Typebase.  Hopefully he will not think I am too cheeky!!  





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Where did you see Maitake mushrooms? I've been looking for them for years!!!



Hi Jenny,

It may have been part of an asian special at ALDI.  So it's not available all the time.  It would be at the asian speciality shop though.

HOKI AND HAKE

As far as Hoki being Hake it is known as blue hake.  Cristina's added it to the non-equivalent table at 112:

Hoki     Macruronus novaezelandiae      Australia,NewZealand     Blue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7

The scientific name is not in typebase and is different to the Hake in Typebase (UROPHYCIS TENUIS) http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?192

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So I guess Sea Bream must have been added later but not put in Typebase and could be many species of fish!!  

Cannot say if this is the Sea Bream listed in the GTD unfortunately.  Can say I've had no bad effects from eating it though!


I wonder if we can find out the scientific name of the Sea Bream that is in SWAMI.  Since they do such extensive research on the food items that information is probably on a database somewhere?


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Heres something that might be worth looking at team.

Typebase Grouper - SERRANIDAE SPP.

First of all I just found out that SPP is an abreviation for species (plural form)

When I looked for Serranidae in the CSIRO spreadsheet I found all these matches of fish in the same family. We need to confirm with NAP whether they can be considered a type of Grouper, considering that the scientific name for Grouper on the Typebase is a generic one.

Aus / NZ name           Scientific Name
Bar Rockcod     Epinephelus ergastularius & Epinephelus septemfasciatus
Barramundi Cod     Cromileptes altivelis
Blacktip Rockcod     Epinephelus fasciatus
Coral Cod     Cephalopholis spp
Coral Trout     Plectropomus spp & Variola spp
Duskytail Grouper     Epinephelus bleekeri
Goldspotted Rockcod     Epinephelus coioides
Grouper                      Epinephelus spp
Longfin Perch     Caprodon longimanus
Longfin Rockcod     Epinephelus quoyanus
Maori Rockcod     Epinephelus undulatostriatus
Rankin Cod     Epinephelus multinotatus
Rockcod                      Aethaloperca & Anyperodon spp
Sixbar Grouper     Epinephelus sexfasciatus
Wirrah                      Acanthistius spp
Yellowspotted Rockcod     Epinephelus areolatus

Spreadsheet of CSIRO Australian Marine species available here;
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list

BTW...Barramundi Cod is not to be confused with

Barramundi     Lates calcarifer     Centropomidae (giant perches)
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Heres something that might be worth looking at team.

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Barramundi Cod     Cromileptes altivelis
BTW...Barramundi Cod is not to be confused with
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Barramundi     Lates calcarifer     Centropomidae (giant perches)


Jumari, have you checked reply 114?  




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Hi Jenny,

It may have been part of an asian special at ALDI.  So it's not available all the time.  It would be at the asian speciality shop though.

HOKI AND HAKE

As far as Hoki being Hake it is known as blue hake.  Cristina's added it to the non-equivalent table at 112:

Hoki     Macruronus novaezelandiae      Australia,NewZealand     Blue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7

The scientific name is not in typebase and is different to the Hake in Typebase (UROPHYCIS TENUIS) http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?192

Hake is my maiden surname!  Fishy hey!


Hake was my maternal grandmother's surname...so maybe you and I are related? My sister has all our family trees dated back for yonks, so you could be interested in that if you wish.




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Cristina...The barramundi bit was not what I was referring to. It was the Grouper sharing the same scientific family name as all the other fish on my list.

The barramundi cod comment was just a note to avoid confusion.
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Hake was my maternal grandmother's surname...so maybe you and I are related? My sister has all our family trees dated back for yonks, so you could be interested in that if you wish.



That's amazing, since we're on a forum talking about fish here!  
My grandparents including my father emigrated over from Somerset UK when my Dad was a little boy.  There aren't many Hakes around, most of my rellies are in WA, some in Darwin, or UK.  Was your Grandmother English?

In my previous job admissions for international students, I found that Japanese people like the Hake surname as a symbol for strength.  If someone was called Shark they'd like that too!  

P.S.  Thinking again I may have seen Maitake in Woolworths veggie section sometime?  sorry can't remember


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So Hoki/Hake is the same as Blue Grenadier?? The latter sounds much more upmarket than Hoki or Hake!!!
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That's amazing, since we're on a forum talking about fish here!  
My grandparents including my father emigrated over from Somerset UK when my Dad was a little boy.  There aren't many Hakes around, most of my rellies are in WA, some in Darwin, or UK.  Was your Grandmother English?

In my previous job admissions for international students, I found that Japanese people like the Hake surname as a symbol for strength.  If someone was called Shark they'd like that too!  

P.S.  Thinking again I may have seen Maitake in Woolworths veggie section sometime?  sorry can't remember


I found enoki mushrooms in Woolies yesterday. That was a good start for me. Possibly maitake are seasonal. Please let me know if you see any, anywhere, as most of my mushrooms are only neutral with the exception of maitake and enoki, and I really want to use them.




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So Hoki/Hake is the same as Blue Grenadier?? The latter sounds much more upmarket than Hoki or Hake!!!


Careful if you are you insulting my previous surname or Jenny's Grandmothers?  I might have to do the hoki poki on you!  


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Careful if you are you insulting my previous surname or Jenny's Grandmothers?  I might have to do the hoki poki on you!  
   I didn't think of that angle on it
Now "Hoki Poki" is a whole different "kettle of fish" over here... Its NZ's fave icecream only its called "Hokey Pokey"

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I found enoki mushrooms in Woolies yesterday. That was a good start for me. Possibly maitake are seasonal. Please let me know if you see any, anywhere, as most of my mushrooms are only neutral with the exception of maitake and enoki, and I really want to use them.



Glad to hear that, hope they are yummy.  Will keep my eyes peeled  


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Brazilian (Surinam) cherries are not related to regular cherries.

They are in the Myrtle family (along with cloves, guava, feijoa, allspice, and eucalyptus).

Cherries are in the Rose family (along with plums, peaches, almonds, and apricots).


Given this I think you have to consider them as neutral (unrated) and not a black dot.


Sorry for the delay, catching up on things now.  Thanks for that info C_Sharp!  They are nice in moderation, taste a bit like cherries only sharper, not a major food so I don't think we have to ask Dr D to test them.  
Some people use lemon myrtle in cooking here, the leaves taste like really strong lemon, (they keep the mozzies away too  ). Amazing how many foods from natures garden. Though more foods makes our and Dr job a bit harder!  (also not a major food).  There would be thousands of items of bush tucker from Australia that aren't tested.




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Heres something that might be worth looking at team.

Typebase Grouper - SERRANIDAE SPP.

First of all I just found out that SPP is an abreviation for species (plural form)

When I looked for Serranidae in the CSIRO spreadsheet I found all these matches of fish in the same family. We need to confirm with NAP whether they can be considered a type of Grouper, considering that the scientific name for Grouper on the Typebase is a generic one.

Aus / NZ name           Scientific Name
....


Sorry me again, back on the fish topic.
Good research Cristina finding equivalents and updating the lists, thank you.

Jumari, great research thanks.  Excited to think that all those fish could be sorted at once.

Have done some more research on it.

Just looked up the species wikipedia page at [url][/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species (we all may need to bone up on the Order / Family / Genus / Species heirarchy)

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The authors use "spp." as a short way of saying that something applies to many species within a genus, but do not wish to say that it applies to all species within that genus. If scientists mean that something applies to all species within a genus, they use the genus name without the specific epithet.


So, SPP is an abbreviation for Genus group and refers to some but not all species under it.  However, Serranidae (Sea basses: groupers and fairy basslets) is a Family and not a Genus.

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Serranidae is a large family of fishes, belonging to the order Perciformes. The family contains about 450 species of serranids in 64 genera, including the sea basses and the groupers (subfamily Epinephelinae). From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serranidae


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Subfamilies Anthiinae, Epinephelinae (tribes Epinephelini, Niphonini, Liopropomatini, Diploprioni, Grammistini) and Serraninae (Ref. 39231)from http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?id=289


Wikipedia page for Grouper is handy.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grouper  Says in Australia they are called Gropers.  It lists some of the species as well.  

On TypeBase it lists some examples, unfortunately they aren't all from Epinephelinae Genus.

Why couldn't they put all the groupers together in one Genus - that would be too easy?!  We may have to check each fish on Jumari's list to see if they are classified as Groupers and then we could assume they fall under the Typebase.  

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Aren't I silly, all that research yesterday and I was just confirming everything Jumari researched, sorry mate.

Here's a quick easy, and not so long one.  Our rockmelon = Typebase Cantaloupe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantaloupeg


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As sent to Dr D via e-mail:
TypeBase Fish and SeaFood Choices Summary No 2
             
Typebase AU/NZ Equivalent Comments
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) (Haliotidae)Abalone,Blacklip(rubra),brownlip  (conicopora) or Greenlip (laevigata)      (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99
Anchovies (Engralis Mordax ) canned AnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only (Engraulis encrasicolus)
Atlantic Cod(Gadus morhua) Atlantic CodSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Atlantic Salmon(Samo Salar) Atlantic Salmon
Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda )Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda ) Choose Only young  barracuda, See  Reply
Bluefish (Pomatomus saltatrix) TaylorSeafood Services Australia See  Reply 153
Bullhead(Ictalurus Nebulosus) NZ Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus) NIWA Atlas of NZ Reply 157
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
Carp(Cyprinus carpio) European CarpSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Chinook Salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha )Chinook Salmon
Herrings/Atlantic (Clupea Harengus Harengus) HerringsCaabTaxon code 37 085790 - Reply 156
Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus) Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus)
Mackerel,Spanish (Scomber commerson) Spaniards/Spanish Mackerel, (Scomberomorus commerson)
Mahi Mahi (Coryphaena hippurus) Mahi mahi/ dolphinfish
Monkfish (Lophius Americanus ) Speckled Stargazer (Kathetostoma canaster) Replies 180, 186
Pollock (Pollachius Virens) ColeyCaabTaxon code 37 226796 Reply 162
ScrodYoung Cod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
Shrimp     Prawn
Silver PerchSilver PerchReply 133
Swordfish (xiphias gladius) Swordfish
Yellow Perch Murray Golden Perch/Yellowbelly
Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares) Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares)




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I have been working behind the scenes and came up with a few additions for the equivalent table as posted above.  
These are some of the changes:

Atlantic Salmon:
Added Atlantic Salmon, same for both US and AU/NZ
Barracuda:
Changed Barracuda: Both the US and the Australian especies are the same, the catch is in the age of the fish:  we are recommended to eat the young only.  Barracudas as they grow old they accumulate toxins and should be avoided. Find evidence all over the net.  Will post in detail later.
Chinook Salmon:
Added it to the list. It is the same for both hemispheres.
Atlantic Mackerel:
Same for both hemispheres
Spanish Mackerel:
Same for both hemispheres, here we also use the coloquial term of Spaniards.
Check this cool website about it, nice pics (of course, they are from the Sunshine Coast) :
http://www.swanboathire.com.au.....h-february-2009.html
Mahi Mahi
Added.  Same for both we also called them dolphinfish.
Monkfish
Yes! Finally find an equivalent. I even phoned one of the local fisheries to confirm if we had any in Australia and what could be called.  I received my reply today and located this website:
For those who hate reading long articles, skip to the second paragraph under Commercial Fishing where it refers to Monkfish:
http://www.reefwatch.asn.au/pages/bin/view/Publications/SamsccURANOSCOPIDAE
Yellowfin Tuna and Swordfish
Both added as per Jenny's list and both the same US and Southern hemisphere.
Yellow Perch
It is the wonderful Murray yellowbelly, it is a freshwater perch, as per typebase, one of many around. I gather it is near enough to the northern Yellow Perch.  We can always take it out if you do not agree.

I have noticed you all have been very busy with your research, do not feel sorry for doubling up. It works as a double checking.

Ok this is the equivalent fish table I e-mailed to Dr D.  I have also included a few non equivalent fishes like:
Blue Grenadier/ Hoki
Barramundi
Blue Eye Cod/ blue eye trevalla
Blue warehou
Australian Bonito
Calamari
Coral trout

That Hoki Poki thing, it turns out it is a Southern Hake, Blue Grenadier to be precise.  So for better or for worse, Hoki is a Hake (but it may not be an equal Hake)  

Also, I have cc Jenny with my e-mail to Dr D, so there is a second record of it, besides posting here the exact table in 178.

Back to do some digesting of all this info ..,.




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TypeBase Fish and SeaFood Choices Summary No 3
             
Typebase AU/NZ Equivalent Comments
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) (Haliotidae)Abalone,Blacklip(rubra),brownlip  (conicopora) or Greenlip (laevigata)      (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99
Anchovies (Engralis Mordax ) canned AnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only (Engraulis encrasicolus)
Atlantic Cod(Gadus morhua) Atlantic CodSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Atlantic Salmon(Samo Salar) Atlantic Salmon
Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda )Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda ) Choose Only young  barracuda, See  Reply
Bluefish (Pomatomus saltatrix) TaylorSeafood Services Australia See  Reply 153
Bullhead(Ictalurus Nebulosus) NZ Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus) NIWA Atlas of NZ Reply 157
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
Carp(Cyprinus carpio) European CarpSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Chinook Salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha )Chinook Salmon
Herrings/Atlantic (Clupea Harengus Harengus) HerringsCaabTaxon code 37 085790 - Reply 156
Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus) Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus)
Mackerel,Spanish (Scomber commerson) Spaniards/Spanish Mackerel, (Scomberomorus commerson)
Mahi Mahi (Coryphaena hippurus) Mahi mahi/ dolphinfish
Monkfish (Lophius Americanus ) Speckled Stargazer (Kathetostoma canaster
Pollock (Pollachius Virens) ColeyCaabTaxon code 37 226796 Reply 162
ScrodYoung Cod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShadRiver HerringsTaken from UK version of Swami
Shrimp     Prawn
Silver PerchSilver PerchReply 133
Swordfish (xiphias gladius) Swordfish
Yellow Perch Murray Golden Perch/Yellowbelly
Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares) Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares)




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Aren't I silly, all that research yesterday and I was just confirming everything Jumari researched, sorry mate.

Here's a quick easy, and not so long one.  Our rockmelon = Typebase Cantaloupe


Actually what you call a rockmelon is what I think in typebase and SWAMI terminology is called a "Musk Melon".  Rock Melon/Musk Melon is Cucumis melo reticulatus, This melon is called a cantaloupe in the US.  Type base entry is:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?255

What is called cantaloupe in SWAMI and Typebase is a type of melon that is rare in the US but available in Europe. It is a Cucumis melo cantalupensis. Type base entry is: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?91

They may seem to be similar but for me one is superfood and the other is an avoid.





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Actually what you call a rockmelon is what I think in typebase and SWAMI terminology is called a "Musk Melon".  Rock Melon/Musk Melon is Cucumis melo reticulatus, This melon is called a cantaloupe in the US.  Type base entry is:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?255

What is called cantaloupe in SWAMI and Typebase is a type of melon that is rare in the US but available in Europe. It is a Cucumis melo cantalupensis. Type base entry is: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?91

They may seem to be similar but for me one is superfood and the other is an avoid.





Thanks C_Sharp, you are partially right.  This website clearly explains the different melons for sale in aussieland.  I see if I can find something else for NZ or our NZ researches will tune in with their input.

To make it easier, I am reproducing the relevant extract from the link:

quote
Melons can be grouped into four different types:

Watermelons: There’s an astounding array of sizes and flesh colours (yellow, white, orange and red), and the freakish Japanese square watermelons grown in boxes to make their shape more storage friendly.

Winter melons: The best known is the honeydew as it is prime in late autumn and the only type that continues to ripen after picking.

Muskmelons: Also known as netted melons, these include rockmelons, and are distinguished by their netted skin and usually orange flesh.

Cantaloupe melons: Similar to muskmelons but with a smooth skin. There are various types – Charentais, Ogen and Galia – all small in size with flesh ranging in colour from green and white to orange.
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And this is the link:

http://www.homehints.com.au/se.....6BrJ0CFR5HagodNjRqjA


Thanks for helping us C_Sharp  

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Ghee Whiz...no need to apologize. I'm glad to see that we are on the same page.

Botton line is that if the scientific name on the typebase for Grouper is SERRANIDAE SPP and Serranidae SPP is a name used for a family, which includes all the fish I listed previously. Does this mean that all those fish on the list can be considered Groupers? Serranidaes are also considered as a variety of Rock Cods. See the CSIRO listing.

I think your reasearch was outstanding and like you say it refers to a family and not a genus.

One thing is for sure, if it hasn't been done yet. We should include Groper spelt without a "u" to the UK list, if it isn't already there.

Cristina, great work on the final typebase submitted.

Ghee Whiz, heres a question that is right down your alley according to your name. Does Ghee have to be refrigirated? The thing is that it is so hard to spread when I put it in the fridge. When I leave it out, it spreads like butter. I read somewhere that ghee is butter that goes through a special process where the milk solids are removed. If so, would it still go off?
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Heres another confirmed discovery.

Monkfish are also known as Stargazers.

Stargazer     Uranoscopidae - undifferentiated
monkfish     Uranoscopidae - undifferentiated

We went to a fish shop and the asked about the Stargazer fish. The owner said, in actual fact they are also know as Monkfish, its written on the box. Sure enough after checking the CSIRO list there it is.
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TypeBase Food Choices Summary No4                                                                                                                        
Typebase AU/NZ EquivalentComments
Meats
Poultry
Cornish HenSpring chickenYoung chicken,male or female
Eggs/Roe
Dairy Products
Vegetable Proteins
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Fats and Oils
Carbohydrates
Live Foods
ArugulaRocketTaken from UK version of Swami
BeetBeet RootsTaken from UK version of Swami
Beet GreensBeetroot GreensTaken from UK version of Swami
EscaroleBroad Leaf EndiveTaken from UK version of Swami and replies 84,208,209,210,212
Mushroom/ChampignonWhite Mushroomsincl canned champignons, fresh button mushrooms, flat whites - Reply 139,145
Romaine LettuceCos Lettuce
RutagabaSweedesIs the yellow parsnip
ZucchiniZucchiniCourgette in UK version of Swami
Fruits
Melon, CantaloupeCantaloupe MelonsReply 184, 188
Melon, MuskHoneydew, RockmelonsReply 184,188
PapayaPapaw,PawPaw or PapayaCommon Australian paw paw
Paw PawPoor Mans BananaA member of custard apple plant
Currant Red/BlackBlackcurrant/RedcurrantNot the grape variety
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Orange     Orange
OrangeTangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)
TangerineMandarin/Tangerine
Spices
CilantroCorianderThe  herb
CorianderCoriander Seeds The  seeds
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Closure on the Melons:

Typebase Musk Melons = AU/NZ Honeydew and Rockmelons
Typebase Cantaloupe Melons = AU/NZ Cantaloupe Melons





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Cristina, thanks for updating the lists and all your great research, glad to see so many more fish equivalents!  Though, there are a couple of typos on the TypeBase Food Choices Summary No4 - Zuccini should be Zucchini and Courguette should be courgette (I never knew how to properly spell zucchini either - quite the scrabble word)

C_Sharp and Cristina thanks for filling out the research on melons, I see why you are called sharp C_Sharp! or is that a musical name?

Thanks Jumari - monkfish and stargazers, and Grouper and Groper spotting - good job.  They sound like guru swami fish  
Ghee doesn't have to be refridgerated as it is pure oil with no dairy products left.  So long as you don't accidentally add water to it (use clean spoon) and the jar was sterilised before you put the ghee in there.  Check http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070706153209AAHharj

About the Gropers (Groupers), I reckon, like it said on the wikipedia Grouper page, if they're in the Serranidae family (also includes sea basses) in Epinephelus and Mycteroperca genera they are Groupers.
Epinephelus genus see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephelus (includes Nassau grouper and Red Grouper mentioned on Typebase under Grouper Mixed Species http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?184)
Mycteroperca genus see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycteroperca
(includes Black Grouper, Yellowfin (yellowmouth) grouper mentioned in Typebase).

I don't think we can say that all the fish in one Genus are alright, though.  We should check each one on Typebase to make sure they aren't poisonous first. So as long as they aren't poiosonous and they are in Epinephelus and Mycteroperca genera they are fair game under Grouper mixed species.  Do you agree?  



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Wonderful work folks!
May I just add that grouper/groper is also known as garupa in Asia?


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Wonderful work folks!
May I just add that grouper/groper is also known as garupa in Asia?


Hi Squirrel and thanks for droping in.  We have a wonderful team working here and now includes you too.  Welcome and thanks for your contribution!!
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Botton line is that if the scientific name on the typebase for Grouper is SERRANIDAE SPP and Serranidae SPP is a name used for a family, which includes all the fish I listed previously. Does this mean that all those fish on the list can be considered Groupers? Serranidaes are also considered as a variety of Rock Cods. See the CSIRO listing.


Although the Serranidae family includes many other variety of fishes (Rockcods, etc), the following description from Grouper Typebase makes me think that we should only concentrate on the Seabass variety.

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The most popular members of this sea bass family are the black grouper, Nassau grouper, red grouper and yellowmouth (also called yellowfin ) grouper.
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One thing is for sure, if it hasn't been done yet. We should include Groper spelt without a "u" to the UK list, if it isn't already there.



It is not there.  In the UK version of Swami, Groper is spelled Grouper, like Typebase. Once we put it in the equivalent table for us, we will make sure that Groper is also used.

Once again, great work guys!!  We are making great progress!!  




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Hi Squirrel and thanks for droping in.  We have a wonderful team working here and now includes you too.  Welcome and thanks for your contribution!!
We will include that on the table once we finalize the groping     

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On the subject of fish, while groping around, I came across this very useful website particularly regarding ways to cook your fish to retain the most nutrients.

Healthy reading:

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Fish

back to groping in the dark ...  




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Closure on the Melons:

Typebase Musk Melons = AU/NZ Honeydew and Rockmelons
Typebase Cantaloupe Melons = AU/NZ Cantaloupe Melons

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Maybe I should go back and study the last few entries, but which of the above would you say are commonly sold in Australia, as I have always used rockmelon/cantaloupe as interchangeable semantics based on geography rather than type?  



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Maybe I should go back and study the last few entries, but which of the above would you say are commonly sold in Australia, as I have always used rockmelon/cantaloupe as interchangeable semantics based on geography rather than type?  


What typebase calls a cantaloupe is not what most people call a cantaloupe.  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?91

What most people call a cantaloupe or rock melon is a "musk melon" in typebase.  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?255

Typebase also has an entry for honeydew. It is easily distinguished  because it has green flesh (A normal musk melon has orange flesh). I am not sure if this is what you call a honeydew in Australia. Honeydew is the common term in the US. Typebase entry for this melon: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?201


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On the subject of fish, while groping around, I came across this very useful website particularly regarding ways to cook your fish to retain the most nutrients.

Healthy reading:

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Fish

back to groping in the dark ...  


Jenny, it is only the last couple of posts that this came about. Check the above website link.  I have seen around here melons listed as Rockmelons and also as Canteloupe, but of course I have not payed attention if they were making reference to the same type (I was not interested in any possible differences then).  But, the site is an Australian website, therefore, it must be right?  




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On the subject of Grouper/Groper:

I am going around in circles on the internet, I think I am starting to have Cyberspace motion sickness!  

So, I contacted the higher authorities in the subject (Seafood Services Australia) and invited them to tune in if possible or send me some suggestions via e-mail.

Hopefully, they will be helpful.




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Good idea Cristina to ask the authorities.  Hopefully they might say that if the common name includes "groper/grouper" then it can grope away!  That's one approach and then check each fish on fishbase to see if they're toxic.  

I'd give this one a miss for instance, http://www.fishbase.org/Summar.....peciesname=maculatus Spotted coralgrouper it has a Reports of ciguatera poisoning.  Did some research on Ciguatera poisoning:

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Ciguatera is a form of food poisoning. It is caused by eating those warm ocean water finfish that carry ciguatera poison..... What type of finfish cause poisoning.
There are no specific rules that can be followed to detect ciguatera carrying fish. Fish that live in warm ocean waters are potential carriers of ciguatera toxin. Fish like chinaman, red bass and paddle tail have, in the past, been involved in a large number of ciguatera poisonings and seafood marketers sell little of them. Today problems are encountered with coral trout, spanish mackeral, red emperor, reef cods and others like wrasse, trevally and kingfish.http://www.vmrgladstone.org.au/ciguatera.html


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Mackerel caught around mid October in Australia are a classic cause of the condition, as are some Great Barrier Reef and semi-pelagic saltwater fish including red bass, chinamanfish (chinaman cod), paddle tail, snapper, spanish mackerel, moray eels, wrasse, trigger fish, and queenfish. Even coral trout has been incriminated as an occasional carrier. http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page8-2.html

Note it says that fish mongers
Symptoms are worse if you drink while eating the fish.  Surprised there's anyone left here!

The large Barracudas are also susceptible to this poisoning, this all fits with everyone's research before.

You can bet this is a reason why Dr D recommends more cold water fish not warm water reef fish!


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Extract from the University of Florida webpage:

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Ciguatera Poisoning

The ciguatera chain starts when herbivorous animals consume the dinoflagellates and their toxins, concentrate and transform the toxins in their tissues, and pass them up the food chain, usually with further accumulation and concentration accompanying each step. More than 400 marine species in 60 different families have been found to accumulate ciguatoxins (Brusle 1997). Among the most important because of their seafood value are barracuda; some snapper (for example red, dog, blackfin, and cubera); amberjack, kingfish; some grouper (for example red, Nassau, snowy, yellowedge, and speckled hind); and hogfish; (Figure 2). Rarely, some primary consumers including herbivorous fish and invertebrates also cause ciguatera poisoning.
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As you can see, even fish especies listed in Typebase could have  members carrying the ciguatera toxins, but that does not mean that we have to write them off.  Red Emperor in Australia is one of the most popular fishes on the table, yet, in some websites it is listed as possible carriers of the disease. Mahi Mahi is in my superfood list, but it has also been listed as carrying disease.  

Like with everything else, know your suppliers, talk to your fish mongrels.  Fish is the one food I will not be buying off the street stall, but from a regulated, safety and quality compliant supplier who undergoes regular inspections.  I will also follow advice given by relevant authorities in the subject, like selecting the younger fish (less time to accumulate toxins), eating small portions (sounds familiar?  All of a sudden the 'size of the palm of your hand' in Swami, takes a new significance).  Above all, staying compliant and true to our type will give us the best chance of emerging healthy and fit if and when hidden toxins like these sneak into our bodies.

This is the link: http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/IN742

By the way, ciguatera poisoning is not the only fish contracted diseace we have to be awared of.  There is something called Scombries or something like that (but that is another story).  So, which is the next fish on the list?  Back to research ...




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I finally find time to set Jenny's list in table form here.  This is Jenny's original list we started from. Fishes from the list have been (and are being) placed in this thread Summary tables, as we progress with our research to match Typebase fishes.

Thank you Jenny once again for all your ground work.


Australian fish (available at the Fyshwick market, Canberra)            
Common nameLatin namenearest Latin name in U.S.Common name in U.S.
Atlantic salmon (whole gutted or fillets)salmo salar
Barramundi (whole or fillets)lates calcarifer
Blueeye cod (cutlets) hyperoglyple Antarctica
Blue warehou (fillets)seriolella brama
Bonito (whole)sarda spp.
Calamari tubeseuthoidea/loliginidae
Coral trout (whole)plectropomus spp & variola spp4
Deep sea bream fillets
Flake (fillets)
Garfish (whole)hemiramphidae
Gemfish (fillets)rexea solandri,  paristiopterus gallipavo & labiosus
Gold band snapperlutjanidaelutjanus campechanusnth red snapper
King George whiting (whole)sillinidae
Kingfish (fillets)
Leatherjacket (whole)monacanthidae
Ling (fillets)genypterus/ophidiidaeophidon eleongatusling cod/alaskan
Luderick (blackfish) (whole)girella tricuspidatesimilar to girella nigricansopaleye fish
Monkfish (fillets)
mullet (whole)mugil cephalissameflathead mullet /black mullet
Ocean trout (fillets)-farmedoncorhynchus mykiss&salmo trutta
Orange roughy (deep sea perch)hoplostethus atlanticussamesame
Rainbow trout (whole)oncorhynchus mykisssamerainbow trout/coastrange trout
Redspot whiting (whole)lethrinus lentjan
Red snapper (fillets) (breams?)sparidaelutjanus campechanusnth red snapper
Sardineslupeinae spp
Salmon tails (fillets) farmed oncorhynchussamemany different names
Silver bream (whole)
Snapper (whole) (breams)sparidaelutjanus campechanusnth red snapper
Swordfish (steaks)xiphias gladiussamesame/broadbill
Threadfin bream (whole)nemipteridae & hemiramphus robustus
Whiting (fillets)sillaginidae & acanthistius
Yellowfin tuna sashimi (steaks) thunnus albacaressame




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Copying Non Equivalent summary from Reply 113 to continue the updates:
Non TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 2
Common Name   Scientific Name   Location   Testimonials  
Fish and seafood
Australian Salmon/Kahawai(Arripis truttaceus) Australia,NewZealandReply 8,9,12,13,15,16,17,181,207
Barramundi(Lates calcarifer) Australia,NewZealandbarra,giant Perch, aussie seabass,silver jack - Reply 108,114,117
Blue MackerelScomber australasicus Australia,NewZealandJapanece or Pacific or Spotted Mackerel, Spotted Chub - Reply 8, 213
Blue-eyed CodHyperoglyphe antarctica Australia,NewZealandAntarctic butterfish, deepsea trevally, blue eye trevalla, - Reply 32,130
BonitoSarda SppAustralia,NewZealand- Reply 215
Coral TroutPlectropomus sppAustralia,NewZealand- Reply 221
Warehou, blue Australia,NewZealand - Reply 214
HokiMacruronus novaezelandiae Australia,NewZealandBlue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7
GemfishRexea solandriAustralia,NewZealand Also Hake,King Couta, Kingfish, Silver Kingfish and Southern Kingfish Reply 26, 128




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Australian Salmon (Arripis truttaceus)

PS: Notice that the scientific name Salmo Salar is reserved for the Atlantic Salmon.

A comment from a NZ perspective:
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kahawai Superficially rather salmon-like, greenish to dark blue above
and silvery or white below. Small kahawai, less than about 30 cm, have a
number of brown spots and are sometimes called kopapa. The flesh of
kahawai is dark, rather reddish in colour (especially the band along the
outer middle of the fillet), medium to coarse in texture, with a
comparatively strong flavour. In Australia, where this fish is known as
salmon or Australian salmon, this fish is regarded highly when canned,
but in NZ it is under-rated, indeed often regarded with contempt, when
in fact is suitable for all cooking methods. Needs to be chilled quickly
when caught or deteriorates quickly. Often can be bought very cheaply;
highly recommended. Try it and thereafter you will be able to smile
patronisingly at the fools who, having never tried it themselves, tell you
it is “dry” and “flavourless”.
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This NZ link makes good reading to get to know not only some local fishes terminology, but also comments about texture, taste and how to handle some of the fish.
http://www.cooknwithgas.co.nz/heritage/know.html

Also, this other link will be very useful for NAP food experts to judge the placing of the Aussie Salmon in our diets.  Check nutritional info.

http://www.australianseafood.com.au/species.php?f=3&v=f

Also, hints on how to pick the Aussie salmon when buying it:

http://www.nicechoice.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=43


In conclusion:
Australian Salmon goes to the equivalent table with the common names of Australian Salmon and NZ Kahawai.
Australian Salmon can be found wild in many parts around the coast of Australia and NZ (Kangaroo Island, Rocky Point) check the web links. Commercial suppliers may be mostly farmed though, as Jumari found out in earlier posts.
Australian Salmon flesh varies from pale pink to brown (get lighter when cooked) and the younger the fish the better the taste.
Websites give an indication that it is usually reasonably price (cheaper alternative to the Atlantic, Chinook varieties?).





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I am based in the UK, just wanted to share my findings on Escarole (in reference to reply 187 in thread).

I only found Escarole so far in the big supermarkets under the name  Batavian lettuce. I found this information on Waitrose website:

"Endive is a member of the lettuce family and is quite similar to chicory. There are two main types, batavian or escarole endive has a bitter lettuce flavour and has crisp, broad green leaves. Curly endive can be plain green or with a hint of red, it also has a bitter flavour and can grow to over 25cm in diameter"

So it seems that in the UK Escarole can be called Batavian, escarole or endive (possibly with the word lettuce added sometimes). The one I found was in Tesco and as I mentioned above was called Batavian lettuce. Just to make things even more confusing I did see lettuce that looked like Curly endive but it was called summer lettuce... I haven't seen any of these at farmers markets or in small vegetable shops yet, but I am keeping my eyes peeled.

We also have Chicory, but it it looks very different from the lettuce like Endive family. It is small and oval shaped with tightly packed yellow/white or red/white leafs.

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Good spotting Sed:
It is a bit comforting to know that the confusion is not just limited to aussie land.  It looks like escarole, endive and chikory are terms used to identify plants of the same chicory family.

According to the following link, the chicory you described (yellow white red), are the belgian endives and red belgian endives.

The escarole is the broad leaf endive and it is also referred as  chicory (or chicory leaf according to whoever designed the UK version of SwamiXpress).
Here is the only link I could find where it indicates that escarole may also be called chicory:

http://www.recipetips.com/glossary-term/t--33009/batavian-endive.asp

This other link has nice clear photos from someone who grows both, endive and escarole:
http://foodiefarmgirl.blogspot.com/2005/12/weekend-herb-blogging-9-endive_04.html

I think they are all part of the same family. I tend to agree with you, at least for the australian version of escarole, it is the broad leaf endive, rather than the chicory version.  The Australian Vegetarian Society tries to clarify the confusion in this link (refer to the 10th or 11th paragraph down the page):

http://www.veg-soc.org/cms/html/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=16

To our research team, this requires further study and we may have to change the equivalent table to something other than chicory leaf.  The UK version does use that term for escarole (I double checked).





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Christina, the links you provided were all very informative, but the vegetarian society's explanation has clarified it best for me:

" Chicory and endive are closely related greens, whose names cause much confusion. Endive is an annual and includes curly leaf varieties as well as broad-leaved ones, sometimes known as escarole. Chicory is a perennial and includes a number of cultivars, including the confusingly named Belgian endive. Radicchio also belongs to the chicory family. Both chicory and endive are bitter leaved and can liven up a salad bowl. They can also be cooked like spinach."

Yes, the confusion seem to stem from the fact that they are closely related plant families therefore often categorised as one. And within each family (e.i. chicory and endive there are different varieties with interchangable names. Like in your other link:

"A crisp, broadleaf type of endive most often served as a salad green that is also known as escarole, broad chicory, or common chicory. This member of the chicory family has broad outer leaves with a crinkled shape. The leaves provide a slightly bitter taste, yet not as bitter as Belgian or curly endive. As the outer leaves are removed, the inner leaves display a paler green coloring with more white and a taste less bitter than the outer leaves. Escarole is popular as a salad green, eaten raw with mayonnaise or a vinaigrette dressing. When cooked, the greens are often served as a vegetable steamed or braised, and can be added to soups for flavoring in the later stages of soup making."

Thanks for the info.
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A comment from a NZ perspective: "kahawai Superficially rather salmon-like, greenish to dark blue above and silvery or white below. Small kahawai, less than about 30 cm, have a number of brown spots and are sometimes called kopapa. The flesh of kahawai is dark, rather reddish in colour (especially the band along the outer middle of the fillet), medium to coarse in texture, with a comparatively strong flavour. In Australia, where this fish is known as salmon or Australian salmon, this fish is regarded highly when canned,but in NZ it is under-rated, indeed often regarded with contempt, when in fact is suitable for all cooking methods. Needs to be chilled quickly when caught or deteriorates quickly. Often can be bought very cheaply; highly recommended. Try it and thereafter you will be able to smilepatronisingly at the fools who, having never tried it themselves, tell you it is “dry” and “flavourless” This NZ link makes good reading to get to know not only some local fishes terminology, but also comments about texture, taste and how to handle some of the fish. http://www.cooknwithgas.co.nz/heritage/know.html
Australian Salmon goes to the equivalent table with the common names of Australian Salmon and NZ Kahawai.
Australian Salmon can be found wild in many parts around the coast of Australia and NZ (Kangaroo Island, Rocky Point) check the web links. Commercial suppliers may be mostly farmed though, as Jumari found out in earlier posts.
Australian Salmon flesh varies from pale pink to brown (get lighter when cooked) and the younger the fish the better the taste. Websites give an indication that it is usually reasonably price (cheaper alternative to the Atlantic, Chinook varieties?).

Thanks heaps for this Cristina - and for all the hard work by all of you - sorry been a bit sick this week on my days off...as well as working on other days... Will have to check out "kahawai"... sounds very interesting, altho' I've certainly never seen it marketed here...not surprisingly, of course;)
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Well, before we forget, I have updated Summary Table No4 (equivalent) for Escarole:  it is now Broad Leaf Chicory Endive. Concensus?






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I realized that since GW Reply 8, we have not posted much info about the sourthern Blue Mackerel, so for the record, here is some.

Check this out for a lesson on how to dissect a fish (using the Blue Mackerel as a specimen):

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Dissection-of-a-Blue-Mackerel-Scomber-australasicus

Useful info from Nice Choice and Sydney fish market.
http://www.nicechoice.org.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28&Itemid=42

http://www.sydneyfishmarket.com.au/Information/SpeciesInfo/tabid/91/xmmid/620/xmid/1656/Default.aspx

The good thing about the Blue Mackerel is that, unlike its spanish cousin, it does not seem to have been involved in any cases of ciguatera or scroimbos.




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My Swami lists a lot of melons and all graded from SFs, neutrals, BDs and Avoids.  Persian, Spanish, Crenshaw, Honeydew, Musk, Canteloupe, Casaba, Canary, Christmas, Bitter, Honeydew ... Have I forgotten any?




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Quoted from Cristina
My Swami lists a lot of melons and all graded from SFs, neutrals, BDs and Avoids.  Persian, Spanish, Crenshaw, Honeydew, Musk, Cantaloupe, Casaba, Canary, Christmas, Bitter, Honeydew ... Have I forgotten any?


The melon that strikes me as missing is Watermelon.

The melon included that I would not include in a list of melons is "Bitter", since to me it is a vegetable (more like a squash, and not sweet like most of the other melons listed). I think it should only be listed under live foods and not listed both under fruit and live foods in SWAMI.




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Thanks heaps for this Cristina - and for all the hard work by all of you - sorry been a bit sick this week on my days off...as well as working on other days... Will have to check out "kahawai"... sounds very interesting, altho' I've certainly never seen it marketed here...not surprisingly, of course;)


Oh Possum, I hope you are back to your usual self soon.  We miss you.  Also, Au and NZ are very much linked regarding food choices and it help us understand these choices better getting as much info as possible from both places.  Let us know how you go with your 'kahawai' research.  To be honest, I have never seen marketed here many of the food choices we are discussing, but in my case, it has been because I have not looked (if you know what I mean).  Now, it is like a whole new world of possibilities has opened up and every trip to the markets/shops is a gastronomy lesson to enjoy.  




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Getting back to PAWPAW---I just found the thread elsewhere which includes a magnificent photograph of a...well....custard apple like thing, which is so unlike the Australian pawpaw/papaya that I think the jury is definitely back on this one. whoopee.
Seriously awaiting custard apple season.



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From our non equivalent summary:

Blue Warehou info:

http://www.dpiw.tas.gov.au/inter.nsf/WebPages/RPIO-4Y98ZQ?open

with nutrition facts and cooking ideas:

http://www.australianseafood.com.au/species.php?f=158&v=f





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Oh Possum, I hope you are back to your usual self soon.  We miss you.  Also, Au and NZ are very much linked regarding food choices and it help us understand these choices better getting as much info as possible from both places.  Let us know how you go with your 'kahawai' research.  
Cheers Cristina!! All good now...
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Brought over from Reply 181 to keep updating:

TypeBase Fish and SeaFood Choices Summary No 4
             
Typebase AU/NZ Equivalent Comments
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) (Haliotidae)Abalone,Blacklip(rubra),brownlip  (conicopora) or Greenlip (laevigata)      (ex

Muttonfish ) - Reply 99
Anchovies (Engralis Mordax ) canned AnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only (Engraulis encrasicolus)
Atlantic Cod(Gadus morhua) Atlantic CodSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Atlantic Salmon(Samo Salar) Atlantic Salmon
Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda )Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda ) Choose Only young  barracuda, See  Reply
Bluefish (Pomatomus saltatrix) TaylorSeafood Services Australia See  Reply 153
Bullhead(Ictalurus Nebulosus) NZ Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus) NIWA Atlas of NZ Reply 157
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped

Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
Carp(Cyprinus carpio) European CarpSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Chinook Salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha )Chinook Salmon
Herrings/Atlantic (Clupea Harengus Harengus) HerringsCaabTaxon code 37 085790 - Reply 156
Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus) Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus)
Mackerel,Spanish (Scomber commerson) Spaniards/Spanish Mackerel, (Scomberomorus commerson)
Mahi Mahi (Coryphaena hippurus) Mahi mahi/ dolphinfish
Monkfish (Lophius Americanus ) Speckled Stargazer (Kathetostoma canaster
Pollock (Pollachius Virens) ColeyCaabTaxon code 37 226796 Reply 162
ScrodYoung Cod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShadRiver HerringsTaken from UK version of Swami
Shrimp     Prawn
Silver PerchSilver PerchReply 133
Swordfish (xiphias gladius) Swordfish
Trout, Rainbow (Oncorhynchus mykiss) Rainbow TroutReply 218
Trout, Brown (Salmo trutta) Brown TroutReply 218
Trout, Brook (Salvelinus fontinalis)Brook TroutReply 218
Trout, Sea (Salmo trutta)Sea TroutReply 220
Trout, Steelhead (Oncorhynchus mykiss) Sea Rainbow TroutReply 220
Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares) Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares)




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Trout Research:

It looks like some freshwater trout in Australia are the same especies as the ones in US, at least according to Typebase description of Trouts.

Typebase freshwater     
rainbow trout,--Oncorhynchus mykiss)
steelhead or salmon trout--Oncorhynchus mykiss)
brown trout--Salmo trutta
Brook or speckled trout--Salvelinus fontinalis

US descriptions:
http://www.ncfishandgame.com/trout_fishing/trout-varieties.php

Equivalent AU links (common names only):
http://www.trout-fishing.com.au/

And now with the Scientific names:
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/freshwater/fw-species/brook-trout
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/freshwater/fw-species/brown-trout
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/freshwater/fw-species/rainbow-trout

Conclusion:
Rainbow, Brown and Brook Trout go into Seafood Summary 4 pot ready for cooking.




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On the subject of fish and possible ciguatera poisoning I would like to record here Dr D's recommendation:

Quoted from Dr. D
RE: ciguatera food poisoning

Just an FYI for the chart. Responds incredibly well to 2000mg /daily pantothentic acid (B5) supplementation.



I posted this here just as information since some of the fish we eat in our zone may be from ciguatera infected areas.  C_Sharp has created a specific thread on the subject and you may post further comments about it on his thread:




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Research on Sea Trout:

The veil uncovers.  Sea Trout is the sea version of the Brown Trout.  This link identifies the species in Australia:

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Brown-Trout-Salmo-trutta-Linnaeus-1758

Therefore Sea Trout goes to the equivalent table.  (It is a diamond in my Swami)

Another trout from Typebase and in our Swamis is the Steelhead trout, which is the sea version of the Rainbow trout, therefore it has earnt its place in the Au/Nz seafood summary 4 cooking pot.  




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Research Coral Trout:

Not in Typebase or US (not that I could find)

This uniqueness may send the youngest and smallest of the species to the exclusive aussie cooking pot: 'not in Typebase Food choices Summary 2' at location 206.  

When and if we decide to throw this fish in the cooking pot, we will have to make sure that we 'pop' in a B5 in ourselves as per Dr D's instructions in Reply 219, because of the very last paragraph in this link:

http://www.reef.crc.org.au/research/fishing_fisheries/CoralTrout.htm

Stay safe.  




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Hi, thanks for all the work everyone.  I've been busy with a surprise visitor for the weekend, and making spelt bread.  Yum!

Found some brochures here that I realised may be handy from the Brisbane Markets, Fruit and Vegetable guide to seasonal availability.  It has pictures of common fruits and veg on the back, scanned some of those as they may be helpful.

Also found out that they have a fabulous website and link to one in Melbourne too.  http://www.brisbanemarkets.com.au/cms/bpmgp-fruit-and-vege-info.html  It links to seasonal availability - search by month or fruit or veg item.  Great information on many fruits and veg.

On the papaw / papaya / custard apple question.  Is this right - papaya is in type base (our paw paw).  Papaya and Paw paw are in the Genotype Diet.  Custard apple is in neither - so that might have to go to the untested fruit section.  

The custard apple is of the same family but is very different to the american Paw Paw (our C_Sharp posted here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253310480/s-16/highlight-C_Sharp/#num16  





Also from the Bris Markets Fruit and Veg info for paw paw, see: http://www.marketfresh.com.au/produce_guide/product.asp?ID=88  "Common names for the fruit include papaya and tree melon, depending on the country in which it is grown. "

Also on custard apples http://www.marketfresh.com.au/produce_guide/product.asp?ID=43

The page for Papaya is blank unfortunately!


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paw paw is the custard apple.......guanabana down here

as opposed to papaw, same word for papaya


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paw paw is the custard apple.......guanabana down here

as opposed to papaw, same word for papaya


Yes, we gather that much.  There are different varieties in Australia (for custard apple).  Unfortunately we will have to wait till March or thereabouts to see them in the markets. Jenny our guinea pig, is eagerly waiting for the occasion.  

So Lola, you have been using guanabana in place of american pawpaw?  If that is the case, then I have great news for all of us in aussie land:

Check this link up:

http://www.dpi.qld.gov.au/cps/rde/dpi/hs.xsl/16_11747_ENA_HTML.htm

Jenny, and any other Sydneygoers, keep an eye for Guanabana and if we cannot get it out here, we may have to arrange for a consigment to be sent to Qld.  But, it is great that now we may have an official fresh american PawPaw equivalent, courtesy of our infalable Lola!!  

PS:
http://hubpages.com/hub/Medicinal-Benefits-of-Soursop
on the other hand we may go for the cherimoya:
http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/cherimoya.htm




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A note on cheeses:

I could get most cheeses but for Pecorino (Diamond) and Gorgonzola (SF), until today that is: find them hiding in the exotic area of the delicatessen at the local supermarket. Why can't they just put all the cheeses together in one place?

Anybody having any difficulties getting any of the cheeses in their lists?




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I just happened to buy Pecorino yesterday as well. I can also find Manchego in some good delis.

The ones that I'm not sure of are quark cheese and farmers cheese? Seen these around?
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yes Jumari, I have seen those at the Oasis organic fruit shop, Forest Glenn Sunshine Coast.  So, you should be able to find them at the big HFS in your area?




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GW, yes, those pawpaws, papaws, papayas, red,yellow are a tonge and mind twister.  Have another look at post no 4 and you will see that even the authorities do not know how to manage this one.

Thanks for those clear photos and valuable links.  I always like to have a pick at those to find food items available here.  I have not seen the Brisbane market one though.  I usually run into the Sydney one for the seafood, and i posted those here when relevant.

Let's see if Lola can confirm my post no.224 so we can rest this case happily.




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papa w,
papa ya
can you see the correlation?

pawpaw is the custard called guanabana down here


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guanabana and cherimoya are considered cousins......one is more elongated the other rounder, but in taste they re practically the same.....even same species I believe.....

so is pawpaw over there considered a cherimoya or a guanabana?

or is there another word for them?


ooops did you just delete your last cherimoya post, or am I hallucinating?


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Lola,

No, I did not delete them, the posts here grow very fast and get pushed down the pages.  The cherymoya posts are in posts 224.

PawPaw here is the same (exactly) as the Papaya in US. The Cherymoya and guanabana here are exotic fruits and they are cousins of our custard apples. There are many varietions of custard apples in Australia but most popular ones are the African pride and Pink Mammoth.

But, the guanabana and cherymoya are even closely related to the US PawPaw and with your blessing now, maybe our choice for substitution for PawPaw.  

Anyone out there can help us out by searching the internet for nutritional info on all these varieties and suggest which is the especies variety that most resemble US pawpaw in nutrition.

Thanks.  
PS: on babysitting duty today with DGD so no much time for research. Will stay tuned in and out though ...




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Research on Porgy:
Porgy on Typebase = PAGELLUS BOGARAVEO

Family Bream in Australia, Porgie in US
Here is the link that ties them together, but I warn you, it is a loooong list (so do not go there yet, read on):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porgie,
so, which one of those species is the equivalent to Typebase Porgy? No way we could work that one out, but do not despair, 'rewards come to the one who persevere (or in this case, the one who searches)' and lo and behold, Dr D Heidi (see posts 238,240 243 to find out who she is) came to the rescue:

I picked up this extract from a conversation back in 2001 with someone in the UK who was trying to write a cookbook:

quoted from Dr D Heidi
Here’s our humble "porgy:" Chrysophrys auratus which our government would like us to call "squirefish" and which everyone calls "porgy" anyway. It is, for us, a Pacific catch, reaching so far west in its range that it has managed to pick up the nomen Australia Red Seabream ~
unquote

Link for Chrysophrys auratus:
http://www.julianrocks.net/fish/Perciformes/snapper/ChrysophrysAuratus.htm

Some other relevant links:

PS: edited to add this link at the front, by far the best on the subject, puts all the dots on is. Highly recommend to read it.

http://www.seamedia.com.au/pdf/previews/FSHING64_prev.pdf

Red Seabream = Pagrus auratus
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37353001

Red Snapper
http://www.westernangler.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=192

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasian_snapper

So in conclusion we get another one into the equivalent table:

US Porgy = Australian Snapper or Red SeaBream (as per PS link posted here, too many other names to mention)  

I am posting a couple more researched fishes before updating the summary tables.




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PawPaw here is the same (exactly) as the Papaya in US

think you mean papaw, right?


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Lola, despite what I posted in page one of these replies about PawPaw, papaw, Papaya, the fact is that in reality everyone calls the Papaya here, PawPaw.  Papaya is also used, but the main point is that they both refer to the same fruit which is the one with the little seeds inside (US Papaya).

US PawPaw (the one with the bigger seeds) does not exist here per say, maybe in some gardens the lucky ones managed to get some seeds to grow it. I will certainly chase that up and see if I can grow it in my garden, provided it can grow in subtropical conditions.

Custard Apple, Cherimoya or Guanabana, it looks like those we can get here and they are the nearest fruit to the american Pawpaw we may have access to.

Of course, this is my understanding, Jumari, Cher, Jenny, GheeWhiz and others from these areas may like to confirm or deny this.




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Lola, papaw is a misspelling of pawpaw (even the Brisbane Markets did it in their brochure it's different to their website).  Sorry to add more confusion, only noticed that after I posted and didn't even know what cherimoya was (listed in Genotype Diet but not on Typebase).  

Soursop (according to wikipedia is the same as guanábana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanabana  

"Pawpaw is in the same family (Annonaceae) as the custard-apple, cherimoya, sweetsop, ylang-ylang and soursop, and it is the only member of that family not confined to the tropics."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawpaw
I hope we can find an equivalent to the american pawpaw here!

Will do some more research into it.

Here's a joke in very paw taste:
Q: Where does paw paw come from?
A: From the leg leg of a dog dog!  


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I agree with you Cristina re the custard apple/pawpaw connection, and am looking forward to the season when I can get a box of them from a market.
Incidentally, that will enable me to make some classy strings of black beads to wear with my hawaiian outfit in ukelele gigs. ( my latest craze)



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good, now we know one thing for sure...
pawpaws are not papayas!!


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quoted from Dr D


http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2002/09/06/uk-food-qs-for-an-upcoming-cookbook?blog=9
not from Dr D, actually it s Heidi s...


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Jacquelyne, thank you for your questions... and the reminder! :-> Best of luck in your work, and DO keep in touch!!

Sorry for the mistake, I took the "" at the end of each answer was meaning Dadamo.  Who is Heidi? Excuse my ignorance ..

PS: I can see the connection now, they meant to be smylies that for some reason do not show in that original article, not on my system anyway...

The information is valid though?




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Heidi left an excellent column named
On the diet....answered questions to many
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2002/04/07/about-heidi-merritt?blog=9


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US PawPaw (the one with the bigger seeds) does not exist here per say, maybe in some gardens the lucky ones managed to get some seeds to grow it. I will certainly chase that up and see if I can grow it in my garden, provided it can grow in subtropical conditions.


Definitely grows subtropical!  My understanding is it is a little tricky to grow.  Where it is naturally occurs it is in the forest understory. So you need to have an established forest canopy for the trees to grow under. Needs multiple trees and varieties to pollinate. Varieties stagger pollination dates.  Male and female blooms on same tree open at different times to prevent self pollination.

I have not attempted to grow it.


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Heidi left an excellent column named
On the diet....answered questions to many
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2002/04/07/about-heidi-merritt?blog=9

I wish Heidi would pop in so that I could say thank you...she was such a support and help in the old days.




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Good research on the Porgy Cristina and like your new shield - lookin' good!  I also agree on the summary you made of the paw paw issue.  

I've found some nutritional info for the different relatives of American Paw Paw and hopefully will get time to compare them all together soon.


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Research on MSG:

It is a Black Dot in my Swami, but just in case anyone else has it  in their other lists options here is a must read from the NSW Food Authority in Australia.  They also cite NZ regulations.

http://www.foodauthority.nsw.gov.au/_Documents/consumer_pdf/MSG.pdf

It is disconcerting to know that cafes and restaurant do not have to declare if they are using it or not in their foods.  But they are obliged to tell you if you ask.  So, watch out for these hidden flavor enhancing products.





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EPAZOTE - (Chenopodium lambrosioides)
This is an Organic Aromatic herb which lists under Condiments and Additives. I could not find it in Typebase, so here is an interesting link to increase our knowledge of it.

http://www.rain-tree.com/epazote.htm

What I have got out of it, it is that it is a very useful plant for anyone, but particularly those of us in a 'bean type' diet.  We can use it to reduce the gassy effect of beans on us by cooking leaves with the beans. It has many other medicinal properties and the article in the link explores those in detail including researches and case citations.  

Only use leaves (not oil or seeds which may be harmful due to toxic concentrations of whatever makes the plant medicinal).  Three days is the maximum recommended to use for its medicinal purposes, unless your doc tells you otherwise.

Googling the internet indicates that in Australia, the seeds of the plant are readily available to grow in your garden or pot.  HFS my have the dry version of the herb.  I certainly have not seen them in the spice racks of the supermarkets.  

It is a neutral in my Swami.




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In the US the easiest way to get Epazote is to go to Mexican food stores (dried most often, but fresh sometimes). Where I see fresh epazote most often is at flea markets which draw a large Hispanic population.


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try some with melted cheese from your swami!


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Hopefully a straightforward yummy little one:

In Typebase & GT                 In Australia common name
Asian Pear (PYRUS PYRIFOLIA)     = Nashi Pear (Pyrus Pyrifolia)

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/nashi.htm


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Heres another one for the UK Typebase. Doesn't seem to be there.

Went to the vege shop and asked if they had Rutabagas

and Con the Fruiterer/veg guy said Root a what?

I said Rutagaga. He said never heard of it.

After doing some research and finding out that Rutagabas were from Sweden. I slowly put 1 and 1 together when I noticed Swedes in the supermarket. Sure enough if you check this site out.

Rutabagas are Swedes in Oz. And its a big diamond food for many.

http://www.gardenate.com/plant/Swedes
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Heres another one for the UK Typebase. Doesn't seem to be there.
Went to the vege shop and asked if they had Rutabagas
and Con the Fruiterer/veg guy said Root a what?
I said Rutagaga. He said never heard of it.
After doing some research and finding out that Rutagabas were from Sweden. I slowly put 1 and 1 together when I noticed Swedes in the supermarket. Sure enough if you check this site out.
Rutabagas are Swedes in Oz. And its a big diamond food for many.
http://www.gardenate.com/plant/Swedes



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Heres another one for the UK Typebase. Doesn't seem to be there.

Went to the vege shop and asked if they had Rutabagas

...

After doing some research and finding out that Rutagabas were from Sweden. I slowly put 1 and 1 together when I noticed Swedes in the supermarket. Sure enough if you check this site out.

Rutabagas are Swedes in Oz. And its a big diamond food for many.

http://www.gardenate.com/plant/Swedes


Thanks Jumari, but, have you looked at the summary tables.  Since post 84, where we identified that Rutagaba were Swedes in Australia, they have been there.  I know it gets hard to keep up with everything, but if I cannot find something in the shops, I come to these summaries first before going into research.  It is good though that your research has confirmed our earlier findings, so I will add your post to it.  Good work Jumari and thanks for posting.  





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Just to assist with keeping track with the summaries, I am thinking of opening up a thread with just the summary tables, no other posts are to go there.  Any error, omissions or updates and research discussions will continue in this post.  And maybe Lola can stick that one too.  What do you guys think?
In the meantime, these are the current post for summary tables.  BTW, I am due to update a couple of them with recent findings.  Do it soon.

Food choices Summary 4 (equiv)              187 - page 8
Food Choices Summary 2 (non equiv)     202 - page 9
Seafood Summary 4 (equiv)               217 - page 9


PS: great idea GW about adding page numbers to this!!  




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Jumari, con the fruiterer "a coupla days" he he!

Sounds like a great idea Cristina.  For now, could you please put which page number the summaries are on too, not just the post number please, that might help locating them.  I guess we'll end up with a few pages even in the summaries only thread!


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maybe Lola can stick that one too

done!


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Hi Team:
C_Sharp has kindly volunteered to do the updates to the tables for me, so I do not have to create so many posts in the Summary thread due to the 72hr deadline normal users have. So the posted summaries will have the latest info from the research thread and there will only be the same 3 or 4 posts with the summary tables only.  Thanks C_Sharp.

The procedure will be for me to post an update request here (for record keeping) with an alert PM for C_Sharp, in case he is not tuned in (hardly ever!!) . I will use the same blah code used for the tables, so all he has to do is copy and paste behind the scenes.  So nothing has really changed, but instead of me directly posting new tables in the Summary thread, C_Sharp will update the existing relevant table for me (using his admin privilege).  This will also ensure continuity of these very informative threads.  If I am away on holidays or something, somebody else can take over this 'updating requests' role.

In the meantime, I am reviewing all posts and making sure our tables as shown in the Summary thread are up to date before the 72hr close off.  Kindly check them up and let me know of required updates (according to what we have posted here so far) are needed (many pairs of eyes can see better than two).  




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Navigational tip:

I was going to post a table with the start reply number for each page, to make it easier to get to referenced posts, when in doing so I realized that every page has exactly 25 replies, therefore to get to a particular page for a post number we can use the following formula:

divide the reply number by 25 and add 1 to the answer

Using an example, to find Food choices Summary table (equiv) that is posted in Reply 187:

187/25 =7 with a remainder of 12
7 + 1 = 8


The reminder gives an indication of where on the page is the Reply  we are seeking.  In this example, Food choices Summary4 (equiv) is in about the middle part of page 8.  

This will work as long as my assumption that each page only has 25 posts is correct.  It could all just be coincidence... in which case posting of a Start Reply no. for each page could still be useful ...  




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Pages should have 25 posts, except for the page in a thread currently accepting new posts.

The first page in a thread contains the original post and replies 1-24.
Second page replies 25-49, ...

Anyway your math of dividing by 25 should work.


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Research on melons:

So far I identified the following Typebase melons:

Honeydew Melon = Honeydew Melon in Australian

Cantaloupe Melon (true european)= Charentais melon in Australia
Classified under specialty melons by the Australian Tropical fruits portal (Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry:

http://www.australiantropicalfruits.org.au/tropical_fruits/produce_types/melon/

Casaba Melon same in Australia as per these links:

Woolworths fact sheet for the fruit
http://www.wowlink.com.au/cmgt.....ydew.pdf?MOD=AJPERES

Seeds availability in Australia:
http://www.beautanicals.com.au/casabamelon.html

Musk Melon (American Canteloupe) = Rockmelon

http://urbanext.illinois.edu/veggies/muskmelon1.html