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We have some fish over here that I haven't heard of... Then there are more common ones but I'm not sure if they are the same as the Aussie ones??!! I'm assuming so...but have included their scientific names...
Grey mullet
Piper (Also known as a garfish)
Yellow-eyed mullet
Flounder
Wrasse (also called kelpie, guffy and paketi)
Red cod & Blue Cod
Groper
Hoki
tarakihi
red mullet
snapper
RAINBOW TROUT (Oncorhynchus mykiss)
CHINOOK SALMON (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
Synonymy: Quinnat salmon, King salmon, Spring salmon
SOCKEYE SALMON (Oncorhynchus nerka)
Synonymy: Blueback salmon, Red salmon, Kokanee
BROWN TROUT (Salmo trutta)
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Paw Paw (american) = Asimina triloba, member of custard apple family
Paw Paw (australian) = Carica papaya also called Papaya in Australia

You are right Jenny, they use the PawPaw term in all possible combinations in Australia, but all tend to make reference to the Carica papaya plant, not the Asimina triloba plant of US.  My Swami list has PAW PAW (asimina triloba) as a diamond and Papaya (carica papaya) as a SF.  I will update the table to indicate that Paw Paw refers to american type of custard apple and Papaya is our pawpaws.

Who said the fish list was complicated?  Paw Paws / Papaya is not far behind ...




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Quoted from Jumari
Jenny and Cristina...Here I found a site with Australian fish varieties that are commercially available with their scientific names. Many more varieties than we have discussed so far.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list

I once again would like to apologize if I was too quick off the mark. My aim is to help and not to confuse. Yes I agree that the scientific name is important. Like you say Cristina its a big task matching names, photos, etc etc. So I suggest that you divide the list between all those that are volunteering to help.

Glad we are on the same page; the site you mention above is one of the ones I used a lot initially. There are several other sites too, see the list called "fish base sites" if you have received an attachment from me..




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Quoted from Cristina
Paw Paw (american) = Asimina triloba, member of custard apple family
Paw Paw (australian) = Carica papaya also called Papaya in Australia

You are right Jenny, they use the PawPaw term in all possible combinations in Australia, but all tend to make reference to the Carica papaya plant, not the Asimina triloba plant of US.  My Swami list has PAW PAW (asimina triloba) as a diamond and Papaya (carica papaya) as a SF.  I will update the table to indicate that Paw Paw refers to american type of custard apple and Papaya is our pawpaws.

Who said the fish list was complicated?  Paw Paws / Papaya is not far behind ...

What is your opinion about the fruit in the tin I found Cristina? It looks and tastes like our red pawpaw,and has a U.S. stamp of approval., so it must be what they call PawPaw.
This is doing my head in! As yours are both in the good column it is really only of academic interest to you I suppose, but for me, papaya is only a neutral, so I don't want to waste the opportunity of using a better fruit.



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Jenny, if it tastes like banana custard then it has to be the american Paw Paw, if it tastes like our Paw Paws, then it is our paw paw, specially if it is red flesh.  The american one is only yellowish.  That is what it was reported at a previous thread on the subject.  




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Well, dang!!!
Pawpaw has suddenly disappeared from Typebase. Now there is only papaya.
Someone may be doing some sleuthing behind the scenes!!!



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Yes, Jenny, I also noticed that a few minutes ago, but then I was not sure if PAW PAW was ever on the TypeBase database or it has allways only been in our Swami lists?  They are definately 2 different products.  Up late today too? I might give you a ring now if not too late ...




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I have not tried using this setting, but Dr. D. noted that one can switch from US to UK food names in SWAMI. The UK names may be closer to Australian names, but still not fully the same.

Here is his instructions for setting SWAMI to the UK language variant:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1247915915/s-new/#num42


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Thanks C_S, I am trying it now.




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Well, now officially Cilantro is coriander leaves and coriander is coriander seeds.

But first things first.

no noticed any different in the meat category or eggs, except cornish hen now has added the word Poussin to it.

Fish and seafood:

Scrod became cod fillet
Shrimp added word prawn
Shad added River Herring

Vegetable Proteins
Lima Beans added Green Butter Beans
I think Litchi Nuts got substituted with Lychee stones?

Live Foods
Arugula is Rocket
Beet greens is Beetroot tops
Beet is Beetroot
Romaine Lettuce added word Cos in front
Escarole became Chicory leaf
Zuccini is now Courguette
Rutabaga is now Turnip (this is our Sweeds in australia
Turnips are Turnips

and there are a few others with added names to it

I did not notice any other major changes for my Swami, but I have only skimmed through it.  




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Quoted from Cristina

I think Litchi Nuts got substituted with Lychee stones?

Lychee and Litchi are the same thing.

But do people eat the stones?

In the US while it is sometimes called a Lychee nut, people I know only eat the fruit part and leave the seed.

I have always assumed the entry for Lychee nuts should be the fruit and place under fruit rather than "vegetable protein".  Maybe Dr. Greenfield knows something about Lychee/Litchi that I do not.

I may have been misinformed, but I thought the stones were poisonous.


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I checked it on the internet, and I find that Lychee nut or stone, it is not the stone, it refers to the whole dry fruit

check this out:

http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/pages/lycheefruit  




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Quoted from C_Sharp

Lychee and Litchi are the same thing.

I have always assumed the entry for Lychee nuts should be the fruit and place under fruit rather than "vegetable protein".  Maybe Dr. Greenfield knows something about Lychee/Litchi that I do not.

I may have been misinformed, but I thought the stones were poisonous.


On checking Typebase, I think it may have been put in the Vegie Proteins because 'people usually eat them as nuts'.  So obviously, the Lichi or Lychee stones under this category of food refers to the dry fruit.

The fresh version should be under fruits.  Does anybody has it there?

quote from typebase
When dried they're often referred to as litchi nuts because they resemble a nut — the shell turns a dark reddish brown and the flesh becomes brown and crisp. They're eaten as a snack, much in the same way as nuts or candy.
unquote

Remember to check reply 42 on page 2 of this thread for the updates to the summary table ... Welcome any editors ...





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Pawpaw has suddenly disappeared from Typebase


turns up in the GTD listings, but was never on typebase.


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Just noticed this thread - Jenny could you please send me the list too!!

I come home to visit my family a lot (Brissie) and would like to eat right while I'm there and seafoods always high on the food list when I'm there   .

Thanks

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Thanks for the fish lists Jumari and C_Sharp and everyone for contributing (clever about changing Typebase!) especially Cristina for starting the summary on page 2.  Looks good so far.  It's a big project that everyone's trying to work on here, where to go from here!?  How can we help?  

I'm a bit confused though (easily really).  So we are not updating a fish list anymore? Are we just doing two lists now
1. of what's on typebase and equivalent or different here and
2. what is unique here (and New Zealand) and not on typebase.  
(most untested foods will be seafood and local bush tucker.)

Maybe I could research a few fish when I get a chance each time I get on here to help out.  There are alot of lists in this thread to be investigated.  I'll start through the alphabet of C_sharp and Jumari's list since we know seafood will be the biggest difference.

Barracuda - you can get it in Aus, though it's only neutral for GT4.  Same scientific name as in Typebase and picture looks the same http://www.fishnet.com.au/default.aspx?id=225&fishid=30 Typebase http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?48

BTW Maybe which genotypes can eat them shouldn't be on the list and I shouldn't even put them here because the food lists are copyright?

Maybe we should start another thread on items that aren't found in typebase to separate the two?  Then to make a summary on that thread (I guess it will never end as more food items will be found).  With summaries they could repeat throughout the thread as the edit time expires.  

It's hurting my head here!  Does that make sense?


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BTW Maybe which genotypes can eat them shouldn't be on the list and I shouldn't even put them here because the food lists are copyright?

right, that info is not necessary, since with a tool like swamiexpress, GT lists become more personalized.......

and the purpose of this thread is to identify the fish species


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Ghee Whiz,
It is OK, we will eventually get there.  Yes, as I mentioned earlier, it is better to have two separate lists.  The one summary I have already started with the equivalent food to typebase and our food lists, that includes fish as well.  As you can see I have included a few of those on the list.

We need to start another summary with those other food lists that are not part of the first one, that are unique to our local areas with suggestions on the comments area of who has try them and what their impressions were.

It is better to keep it all in the same thread so people knows there is the one place to come looking for these items and will not need to jump from one to the next.  Also, the items may jump from one summary to the other, from the unknown list to the accepted list, once Dr D's team get a chance to work on them and approve them.  

Also, although Barracuda may be neutral to GT4, according to the book, we do not know how it is placed for the rest of the individualized Swami lists.  We are so unique, that, all we can do is say that I am a and A+ SwamiXpress that is set to emphazize this and that and de-emphazize this and that in the diet, but eating Barracuda has not produced any adverced reaction on me.  If we get a few of those testimonies, then people may have an idea and decide if they want to try them or not.

I hope I expressed myself clear enough here, but I do not mind talking to you on the phone.  I love to get your help for a couple of things and we could be crowding this forum with ideas backwards and forwards ...




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Quoted from Lola

right, that info is not necessary, since with a tool like swamiexpress, GT lists become more personalized.......

and the purpose of this thread is to identify the fish species


Yes's , Lola, exactly my point.  That is why I have not included anything related to blood type or gt in the summary, and I tend to be of the idea of identifying those species, making sure by consensus that they are unknown and non equivalent to Typebase or any of Dr D's lists and report them as such to be added to the typebase/swami lists ...




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I have been looking at Perch for example, Typebase identifies a few different ones, but my swami list listed 3:

Perch (SF), Sea Perch (Neutral) and Orange Roughy or Deep Sea Perch (toxin).

On checking Typebase, I get the idea that this Super Food Perch in Swami refers to any Fresh river Perch, that it could be the white, silver or yellow.  We have those in Australia (I am breeding silver in my AP tank), yellow or Jade Perch native of Barcoo river is very popular and white Perch, I am sure we can get that.  

The Sea perch in Australia there are two variates, the inshore and the offshore.  The offshore Perch is the Orange Roughy, and it is a ground feeder at deep ocean depths.  The sea perch, is found in shallower waters around Australia.  

That is the sort of information I gather we may need to reach concensus in and decide if they go in the equivalent summary table or the unknown summary table.

A few of us can take a few of these fishes and do the background investigation for it, lists findings here and then we decide, yes, lets put it here or there ...




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TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 2
TypebaseAU/NZ Equivalent Comments Countries
Meats
Poultry
Cornish HenSpring chickenYoung chicken,male or female
Eggs/Roe
Fish & Seafood
AbalonePauaNZ only - Reply 99NZ
AbaloneAbalone,Blacklip,brownlip or Greenlip (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99AU
AnchoviesAnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only
BarracudaShort finned (barracuda,pike,snook)Small barracuda, See  Reply 105  
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
ScrodCod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShrimpPrawn
Dairy Products
Vegetable Proteins
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Fats and Oils
Carbohydrates
Live Foods
ArugulaRocketTaken from UK version of Swami
BeetBeet RootsTaken from UK version of Swami
Beet GreensBeetroot GreensTaken from UK version of Swami
EscaroleChicory LeafTaken from UK version of Swami
Romaine LettuceCos Lettuce
RutagabaSweedesIs the yellow parsnip
ZucciniZucciniCourguette in UK version of Swami
Fruits
PapayaPapaw,PawPaw or PapayaCommon Australian paw paw
Paw PawPoor Mans BananaA member of custard apple plant
Currant Red/BlackBlackcurrant/RedcurrantNot the grape variety
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
OrangeOrange
OrangeTangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)Nepal
TangerineMandarin/Tangerine
Spices
CilantroCorianderThe  herb
CorianderCoriander SeedsThe  seeds
Beverages
Condiments

This summary continues on or after Reply 129

See what else we are eating in the southern hemisphere that is not on Typebase by jumping to the summary table posted in reply 113.




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Cristina, good list, but what about also adding these changes when you changed Typbase to UK version:

Shad added River Herring
Lima Beans added Green Butter Beans
Arugula is Rocket
Beet greens is Beetroot tops
Beet is Beetroot


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I am doing it right now, I am adding the category names too to make it easier to find something and some sort of alphabetical order within the categories.  Sounds good?  Good work GW.




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Some more research:

US Paw Paw vs AU Custard Apple,  they are from the same family, PawPaw being the only one in that family that suits temperate climate, the rest in the group including our Custard Apple are adapted to warmer climates.

It seems that they both have similar nutritional values, I am trying to find reliable sources of information, not easy.  So far I found
this website for American PawPaw (check tables 2 and 3 in the article):
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/pawpaw/cooking.htm

If we could only find a similar table for the Custard Apple, we should get a better idea to see if we could use it in place of PawPaw in the southern part of the world.  This is the best site I could locate for nutritional info on Custard Apples:

http://www.gardenology.org/wiki/Custard-apple

What do you think?

PS:  I find a better one and it is tipping me over to give this fruit the thumps up for PAWPAW substitute here!!

http://www.custardapple.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=54
and here:
http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/lounge/benefits-of-custard-apple-2171.html




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Research on Abalone:

http://www.fishnames.com.au/fishnames/fishnames.php?caab=24%20038006

Abalone = Paua in NZ
Abalone = Green or brown or black lip abalone in Australia.  Obsolete name in aussie is Muttonfish which may still be known under.

So this one goes into the equivalent summary.




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