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Fish lists combined:

Anchovy = A = Canned variety
Barracuda = Not sure.
Bass, Blue Gill =
Bass, Sea, Lake
Bass, Striped
Bluefish = Not Sure
Bullhead= NA
Butterfish = NA
Carp = A
Catfish = Not sure, think I've seen this one.
Chub =NA
Clam =
Cod= A
Conch = Not sure
Crab = A = Definitely
Croaker= NA
Cusk= NA
Drum= NA
Eel = A = Definitely
Flounder = seen it somewhere. Under investigation.
Frog = lots of cane toads that for sure. Wouldn't know where to buy the edible variety?
Gray Sole
Grouper =
Haddock = Not sure
Hake = Not Sure -Under investigation
Halfmoon Fish= (I've seen this one, could also just be called Moon fish, not sure)
Halibut = Not sure
Harvest Fish = NA
Herring = Not sure
Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat?
Lobster = A = Definitely
Mackerel, Atlantic = Not 100 % sure
Mackerel, Spanish = not sure, maybe canned variety
Mahi-mahi = NA
Monkfish= A
Mullet = A
Muskellunge = NA
Mussels = A = Canned
Ocean Pout= (We have ocean trout probably not the same, not sure)
Octopus =A = Definitely
Opaleye Fish = NA
Orange Roughy = A = Definitely
Oyster = A = Definitely = most of which are from Oyster farms
Parrotfish = (not sure)
Perch= (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Perch, Ocean = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Pickerel, Walleye= NA
Pike = NA
Pilchards = NA
Pollock, Atlantic= NA
Pompano = Not sure
Porgy= NA
Red Snapper = A
Rosefish = NA
Salmon, Atlantic, wild = Mostly Farmed
Salmon, Chinook= Only canned variety, John West
Salmon, Sockeye = Only canned variety, John West
Sardine= Mostly canned
Scallops = A = Definitely
Scrod= NA
Scup = NA
Sea Bream = Deep sea bream fillets and Silver Bream whole (are they the same?)
Shad = NA
Shark = A = Most definitely = Flake = (Does everyone agree on this)
Sheepshead fish = NA
Shrimp = A = Called Prawns around here.
Skate = NA
Smelt = NA
Snail, Escargot= (probably, they serve them in french restaurants but I wouldn't know where to buy them.
Sole = Not sure
Squid, Calamari = A = Yes
Sturgeon = NA
Sucker= NA
Sunfish, Pumpkinseed=
Swordfish = A = Definitely
Tilapia = NA
Tilefish =
Trout, Rainbow, Wild = A = Definitely (are they farmed though?)
Trout, Sea = Ocean trout (fillets)-farmed
Trout, Steelhead, Wild
Tuna, Bluefin = Not Sure
Tuna, Skipjack = Not Sure
Tuna, Yellowfin = A = Definitely
Turbot, European = Will double check
Turtle = Yes but not don't know much about the edible variety.
Weakfish = NA
Whitefish= Not sure
Whiting = Not sure, Whiting (fillets) are they the same?
Wolfish, Atlantic = Not sure but we are in the Atlantic = think I've seen it.
Yellowtail = Not sure


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Wonderful Cristina. Go ahead with adding another column for the country. I am sure it is going to be very useful to all of us.



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Hi Possum, did you read the link at the end of my last post?  Check the typebase:

Currants: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?134 were they what you were growing?

Grapes: mentions ZANTE grapes which are small grapes dried to make currants http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?178

I really like the dried grape currants and note they don't seem to have preservatives added.  That makes it a black dot under grapes for me as explorer, not an avoid like most other dried fruit with sulphur dioxide preservative.  
Possum - do you know your genotype?

Added - I see we are all posting at the same time!  You probably didn't see that then Possum.  


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P.P.S. is everyone current on the currants issue Cristina is referring to above.  The small dried grape type is a small dried grape not a currant. A currant is a largish berry never seen here (would that be in blackcurrant juice though?).  See http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253598354/s-19/highlight-currants/#num19


GheeWhiz,  Thanks so much for your contributions to this thread too!!
Regarding the currant issue, it looks like we can get them in aussie too, at least in some parts and they may be seasonal too.  I find this link on the net:

http://www.froghollownursery.com.au/Fruit/Berries%20Currants%20&%20Figs.html

And yes, you are right, I believe they are in the popular red/blackcurrant juices sold locally.  




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C-sharp...You the man. Thanks for that.


Well I've removed the obvious fish varieties and left behind anything I personally was not sure of. Would everyone involved kindly vote on the fish that are definitely not found in these parts so we can eliminate them.

Barracuda = Not sure.
Bass, Blue Gill =
Bass, Sea, Lake
Bass, Striped
Bluefish = Not Sure
Bullhead  = NA
Butterfish = NA
Catfish = Not sure, think I've seen this one.
Chub =  NA
Clam =
Conch = Not sure
Croaker  = NA
Cusk  = NA
Drum  = NA
Flounder = seen it somewhere. Under investigation.
Frog = lots of cane toads that for sure. Wouldn't know where to buy the edible variety?
Gray Sole =
Grouper = Actually this is definitetly available. Don't know about the US / OZ compatibility though?
Haddock = Not sure
Hake = Not Sure -Under investigation
Halfmoon Fish  = (I've seen this one, could also just be called Moon fish, not sure)
Halibut = Not sure
Harvest Fish = NA
Herring = Not sure
Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat?
Mackerel, Atlantic = Not 100 % sure
Mackerel, Spanish = not sure, maybe canned variety
Mahi-mahi = NA
Muskellunge = NA
Ocean Pout  = (We have ocean trout probably not the same, not sure)
Opaleye Fish = NA
Parrotfish = (not sure)
Perch  = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Perch, Ocean = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Pickerel, Walleye  = NA
Pike = NA
Pilchards = NA
Pollock, Atlantic  = NA
Pompano = Not sure
Porgy  = NA
Rosefish = NA
Salmon, Atlantic, wild = Mostly Farmed
Salmon, Chinook  = Only canned variety, John West
Salmon, Sockeye = Only canned variety, John West
Scrod  = NA
Scup = NA
Sea Bream = Deep sea bream fillets and Silver Bream whole (are they the same?)
Shad = NA
Shark = A = Most definitely = Flake = (Does everyone agree on this)
Sheepshead fish = NA
Skate = NA
Smelt = NA
Snail, Escargot  = (probably, they serve them in french restaurants but I wouldn't know where to buy them.
Sole = Not sure
Sturgeon = NA
Sucker  = NA
Sunfish, Pumpkinseed  =
Tilapia = NA
Tilefish =
Trout, Rainbow, Wild = A = Definitely (are they farmed though?)
Trout, Sea = Ocean trout (fillets)-farmed                        
Trout, Steelhead, Wild
Tuna, Bluefin = Not Sure
Tuna, Skipjack = Not Sure
Turbot, European = Will double check
Turtle = Yes but not don't know much about the edible variety.
Weakfish = NA
Whitefish  = Not sure
Whiting = Not sure, Whiting (fillets) are they the same?
Wolfish, Atlantic = Not sure but we are in the Atlantic = think I've seen it.
Yellowtail = Not sure

Maybe someone can set up a way to vote these fish out or in. C-sharp are you free?
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Thanks Cristina.  Mouth is watering after looking at the berries.  Went picking bush mulberries once and got red all over my mouth, chin and hands (don't know how it got near my mouth!)  

Blackcurrant juice is yummy.  Gotto check for the added sugar though!

Just realised, in our garden right now we have many brazillian cherries on the tree.  http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/brazcherry.htm  If I leave some for the resident possums, don't see why I can't eat some in moderation (black dot).  They grow well around the sub-tropics and probably come under cherries  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?104


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Hi Possum, did you read the link at the end of my last post?  Check the typebase:Currants: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?134 were they what you were growing? Yep those were the ones
Grapes: mentions ZANTE grapes which are small grapes dried to make currants http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?178
I really like the dried grape currants and note they don't seem to have preservatives added.  That makes it a black dot under grapes for me as explorer, not an avoid like most other dried fruit with sulphur dioxide preservative.  
Possum - do you know your genotype? I could be either Gatherer or Explorer (I am waiting to get results of secretor test) and will depend entirely on that...It was a fineline between the two & if secretor that is what tips me into being an Explorer... Nobody in NZ seems to do it here...and Australia Post managed to lose the one I recently sent to  Pathlab while I was over there
Added - I see we are all posting at the same time!  You probably didn't see that then Possum.  
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OK a bit more rethinking in managing these postings.

I suggest we keep two different summary tables: one for those food items that have a typebase food equivalent and another one for those items that are specific to local areas that have not been tested by Dr D.  We should then specify our experiences with those items if they have been tested by forum members ensuring that we identify blood types, genotypes, or Swami genotypes from those experiences.

At the same time, we can check to see if those items have been added to the lists of food to be added to the typebase (there is an existing thread for that elsewhere in the forum), and add those items there.  If we keep checking the Typebase we may soon have the wonderful surprise of finding these food items there!!  It is all team work...




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Good Idea Cristina.  Sea Bream I've been eating (was frozen from NZ) is a Super Bene for explorers and certainly feels like it.  It must be equivalent.

Possum, you can read my and Jenny's recent possum stories here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253660214/s-21/highlight-possum/#num21  It's all your fault! just kidding  


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Cristina, Happy to work as a team. Let me know what you need. Forgive me if I seemed to have been taking over. Just thought getting rid of the ones we know are not available would be a good start.
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Possum, you can read my and Jenny's recent possum stories here http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253660214/s-21/highlight-possum/#num21  It's all your fault! just kidding  
rofl but not after I read your story!! Pesky aren't we??!!
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We had a currant bush when I used to live in Aus...I've always thought the packets of currants were the berry types?? The grape type are something else aren't they - can't remember the name but more gourmet/expensive?


Possum,
Thanks for your valuable contribution too.  No, the packets of currants, the dry fruit variety that you get in the supermarket are definitely the grape variety.  I have contacted the supplier (at least for Woolworths, but I think other big supermarkets use them too) and they phoned me back today to confirm that they are the grape variety.

And GheeWhiz, I agree with you, those berries look sensational!!




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Possum,Thanks for your valuable contribution too.  No, the packets of currants, the dry fruit variety that you get in the supermarket are definitely the grape variety.  I have contacted the supplier (at least for Woolworths, but I think other big supermarkets use them too) and they phoned me back today to confirm that they are the grape variety.

Glad you clarified that!!! Ta   Cos here was me thinking, if I do turn out to be an explorer, I would be able to eat currants...as they are a diamond

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Are we busy bees.  We are all having so much fun!! our fingers are all getting a work out at the same time!!  This is great everyone!!

With this buzz of activity, we have to forgive each other for answering to things that have already been edited, or deleted, or whatever.  But, this is our forum, and everyone's ideas are welcomed. Just posting something here may inspire not only somebody else, but even ourselves to an even greater idea. So keep them coming.

Another management tip.  Because there is a 72hr restriction for editing posts, and to economize space, I will keep updating the summary tables, adding food to them (even from later posts) until I can edit it no more, in which case, we start a new table.
To quickly get to these tables, we can just use the search tab above here and  search for 'TypeBase Food choices Summary' or 'Local Food choices Summary'. You can see I started on the Typebase one, I am also working on the local one. ...




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Just realised, in our garden right now we have many brazillian cherries on the tree.  http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/brazcherry.htm  If I leave some for the resident possums, don't see why I can't eat some in moderation (black dot).  They grow well around the sub-tropics and probably come under cherries  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?104


Brazilian (Surinam) cherries are not related to regular cherries.

They are in the Myrtle family (along with cloves, guava, feijoa, allspice, and eucalyptus).

Cherries are in the Rose family (along with plums, peaches, almonds, and apricots).


Given this I think you have to consider them as neutral (unrated) and not a black dot.


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It's not that easy with a fish list that uses common names, because you will find that when you look up these common names on a U.S. fish name base you come up with a scientific name that is usually unrelated to any fish, even the fish of the same common name here which has its own scientific name.
Also, when the Australian fish list is worked over  it might be good to delineate family and species.
It is a most frustrating business, and that is why I only came up with a handful of fish which are actually the same throughout the world. C sharp, have you seen my fish list or would you like it?



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I thought I would ask you to help me understand your list. I suppose that NA stands for not available, but what is A? Available (in Australia,



* Fish not found In Australia or NZ marked NA (Not Available)
* Fish found in Australia or NZ marked A (Available)


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Regarding fish lists (I am compiling the tables, but I am also contacting official authorities to confirm our findings, if possible):

I have just finished talking to the Department of Fisheries in Qld, (132523) and they confirmed that we can get Butterfish in Australia, it gets fished in Australian waters.

I have also find the Australian CAAB Taxon report (CAAB Taxon code 37 363001) at this link:
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37363001

Also, there is something to be awared of when buying Butterfish, particularly from fish and chips shops, we could get really sick with some substitutes.  The warning comes from Victoria, though it may also apply to other states too.  Notwithstanding this, the real Butterfish seems to be very tasty.

This link comes from the Bendigo Shire Council in Victoria:

http://www.bendigo.vic.gov.au/Files/Fact_Sheet_Butter_Fish.pdf




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It's not that easy with a fish list that uses common names, because you will find that when you look up these common names on a U.S. fish name base you come up with a scientific name that is usually unrelated to any fish, even the fish of the same common name here which has its own scientific name.
..


Very true Jenny.  I first do a search on the Typebase scientific name and rely on it being correct.  I discussed with the department of Fisheries if American and Australian scientific names could be different.  He said that in general they should be the same if they referring to the same fish, but, that does not work like that all the time, and we may find different names for the same fish.  So the research has to cover everything, scientific names, latin names, common names, photos, descriptions ...  Feel?, touch?, taste? Phewwwww! Where is that Jet?  not easy with any list ....  We will get there eventually ...





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Also, on the subject of Butterfish, we may find them in Australia with the following scientific names:

Selenotoca multifasciata
and
Scatophagus multifasciatus
with the standard name being: Butterfish

Typebase scientific name: SELENOTOCA MULTIFASCIATA

Jenny, I am adding this info to the list you sent me.  Thanks Warior!!




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What I want to add to the pawpaw information is that I purchased a tin of PawPaw from my organic health food store, and found on opening that the flesh is red, quite unlike most of the fruit we buy here, although red pawpaws are slowly becoming available as well. I could not differentiate this tinned fruit from the red that I enjoy fresh. The product was grown in Sri Lanka, but certified under USDA organic rules. the brand is
Bare Foods, organic PAW PAW chunks in pineapple juice. No added sugar.

So my hopeful conclusion is that Paw Paw is the red one, and papaya is the yellow one. simplistic, but hey!



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* Fish not found In Australia or NZ marked NA (Not Available)
* Fish found in Australia or NZ marked A (Available)


thanks C sharp, I deleted this query when I found just after posting that  it had come from another mailing earlier and had been defined. You were quick off the mark!!!




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Also, on the subject of Butterfish, we may find them in Australia with the following scientific names:

Selenotoca multifasciata
and
Scatophagus multifasciatus
with the standard name being: Butterfish

Typebase scientific name: SELENOTOCA MULTIFASCIATA

Jenny, I am adding this info to the list you sent me.  Thanks Warior!!


good work detective, glad you are taking the scientific names into consideration; will you keep your master list going, and in a couple of weeks I will request an update from you?




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Jenny and Cristina...Here I found a site with Australian fish varieties that are commercially available with their scientific names. Many more varieties than we have discussed so far.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list

I once again would like to apologize if I was too quick off the mark. My aim is to help and not to confuse. Yes I agree that the scientific name is important. Like you say Cristina its a big task matching names, photos, etc etc. So I suggest that you divide the list between all those that are volunteering to help.
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