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Look where I found Possum hiding, in the middle of these PawPaws, (7th row),  disguissed as OPossum PawPaw:     
http://www.pawpaw.kysu.edu/pawpaw/table2.htm


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Hi there Jenny, I have the feeling that I saw a descriptor on PawPaw somewhere too.  Maybe these genes are playing tricks on us ...

Well at least now we uncovered the  real identity of those blood type O ferry paws across the Tasman:  O Possum PawPaw    




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nope,
swami has the pawpaw and the papaya as two seperate entries
typebase has papaya and mentions it being also called pawpaw
http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?281

check your swami


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O well, my genes were partly right, I saw PawPaw in a descriptor somewhere: The Papaya one

These two warriors always knew these fruit have separate entries in Swami, is the Typebase entry that had us puzzled.   Maybe deep down we believe that a fruit with such a high nutritional ranking in our diet, should have been there by now. Wishful thinking though, everything takes time and effort.  I am convinced now, my genes have now digested your info and recorded US Paw Paw as never being in Typebase.    

Back to the Nutritional values table I am working on for PawPaw and its relatives, thanks to GWs clever research, hope to post that soon.  

Thanks again Lola.  





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Annonaceae Nutritional Value comparison table

Nutritional
Element
US Paw Paw
(A. Tribola)
Papaya
(C.Papaya)
GuanabanaSweetsopAtemoya
AU Custard Apple
CherymoyaBullock's Heart
A.Reticulate
Thiamine.01g.03mg.11mg.11mg.08mg.091mg.0097mg
Vitamin A1.5 IU1094 IU2 IU6 IU15 IU1mg
Riboflavin.09g.03mg.05mg.113mg.1mg.135mg.131mg
Niacin (B3)1.2mg.3mg1.28mg.883mg.8mg.95mg.859mg
Iron7.2g.5mg.64mg.6mg.7mg.65mg,78mg
Protein1.4g.4g1.0g2.06g4.3g1.9g1.82g
Zinc.9.3mg.1.1mg2.7mg
Magnesium120g14mg21mg21.0mg88mg
Copper.6.086mg.086mg2.4mg
Potasium368g257g278mg247mg578mg.375mg
Sodium149.0mg14mg
Calcium76g14mg24mg22mg27mg
Vitamin C20.9g61.8g20.6mg36.3mg43mg45mg29.7mg
Phosphorus53g27mg27.7mg32.0mg33mg23.4mg


VAlue sources:

Asimina tribola = US Common Paw Paw
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-505.html#Table%201

Carica Papaya = Papaya/AU PawPaw
http://www.australianpapaya.com.au/productInfo.php#vs
http://www.thefruitpages.com/chartpapaya.shtml

Annona muricata - soursop, Guanabana, Graviola
http://newcrop.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/soursop.html
http://recipes.wikia.com/wiki/Soursop_Nutrient_Chart_-_100_grams

Annona squamosa - Sweetsop
http://www.quantobasta.com/do/getNutrDataAction?ndbno=09321

Annona Atemoya - Australian Custard Apple
http://lifestyle.iloveindia.com/lounge/benefits-of-custard-apple-2171.html
http://www.foodstandards.gov.a.....&foodID=06D10220

Annona Cherimola - Cherimoya
http://www.quantobasta.com/do/getNutrDataAction?ndbno=09062
http://cherimoya.orconhosting.net.nz/pages/eat_nutri.html

A. Reticulate - Bullock's Heart
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Custard-apple

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Research on official Australian Custard Apple:
The links below indicate that the variety annona atemoya is the official australian custard apple for domestic and exporting purposes.  We do have all of the other varieties (but US PawPaw), but maybe we should find the nutritional values for this one.  If you find a relevant site with it, please post it here to save me time.
I will replace one of the varieties in the nutritional table with this one.

http://www.custardapple.com.au/
http://australiantropicalfruits.org.au/tropical_fruits/produce_types/custard_apple/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atemoya


PS: adding this quote here from the Australian Growers Association website in case they change location or later delete it:

Quoted Text

What are Custard Apples?       
The fruit
Custard Apples
Custard Apples are a sub-tropical deciduous tree belonging to the Annonaceae family. This family contains over 2000 members spread throughout the world. Of this family, it is the atemeoya, a hybrid of the Annona genus, that Australia's commercial cultivars derive from.




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Research on Australian Custard Apple:

Ok , Find it! This site has the information I need.  I will be working in pasting these values to the nutritional table.  Let you know when I am finished.

http://www.foodstandards.gov.a.....&foodID=06D10220




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Research Annonaceae nutritional values (Reply 379):

Since Atemoya is the hybrid cross between Sweetsop and Cherimoya, I thought it will be useful to see their comparisons, so instead of replacing any, I just squeezed it in between the two parents.  

I have not proof read these values, I see numbers floating in front of me everywhere, so if someone wishes to help and check the links cited, that will be great.  Also, the blank values indicate I could not find the listed element for that particular fruit.  Maybe is hiding in the info from the links under some other name, like Ash and many other elements these links have listed.  Someone with more chemical knowledge can guide me here and tell me where to put what.  I went for the easy ones I understand.  




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Research on nutrients (or their lack ) in plants that could affect our food:


Came across this link which I am printing to pdf and keep it very safe for future reference.  The link should be of particular interest to the green thumbs amongst us:

http://www.phoenixtropicals.com/vitaminNutrientDeficiencySymptomsPlants.html  





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Very useful information Lola, thanks.  Even though our Dr D has already got all the nutrients we need worked out in the food he lists for us, it is useful to know what to grab when looking to boost a particular nutrient, and your link is giving us that. Very nice!

I have edited my post though, to be more specific.  It refers to growing plants and how to identify any deficiencies they may have.  Very useful info, but mainly for the green thumbs amongst us.  




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Research Annonaceae nutritional values (Reply 379):

Since Atemoya is the hybrid cross between Sweetsop and Cherimoya, I thought it will be useful to see their comparisons, so instead of replacing any, I just squeezed it in between the two parents.  

...  Also, the blank values indicate I could not find the listed element for that particular fruit.  Maybe is hiding in the info from the links under some other name, like Ash and many other elements these links have listed.  Someone with more chemical knowledge can guide me here and tell me where to put what.  I went for the easy ones I understand.  


When more than a value is given (like in a value range or from two different links) I have listed the highest value in the table.  So, we are comparing the maximum values known for each fruit. Also, Beta Carotene A  if known I tend to combine under Vit A value.  That is how Papaya as over 1000 units of Vt A: about 950 from beta carotene and the rest from Vit A equiv, but even when we take either of these values individually, it still has a huge power pack of Vit A, well above the rest.

By looking at these values, Atemoya (we call it Custard Apple in Australia), seem to have highest nutrient values, surpassing US PawPaw in some of them.  This information, is of course, not complete, but it can serve as a guide when choosing any of these fruits to include in our diet.  The rule of thumb of 'if not on your list, treat it as a cautios Neutral' still applies.  

Hopefully I did not, but, please do not hesitate to point it out to me if you find any typos in the chart.  

BTW, except for the elusive PAW PAW (US one), we can get any of the others in Australia, some easier than others.  The Papaya or Australian PawPaw and the Custard Apple Atemoya we get in the supermarkets, most of the others may be found in specialty stores.  Of course, they are seasonal, so they only appear during the right season.  Enjoy  
  




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Wow   thanks for all the research Cristina.  The Australian Custard Apple (annona atemoya) rocks! (nutritionally speaking). and it looks like a rock a bit too.

I was wondering if the acetogenins that Asimona Triloba trumps the other relatives on is considered in SWAMI.  It doesn't appear to be a variable, see this thread where Dr D lists all the variables on food that SWAMI/GTD works off on http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1202698596/#num13  No acetogenins listed there that I can see.  

Will be exploring shops for custard apples.  I see that the next season starts in February though - something to look forward to after Christmas and my littlely starting school next year   - mixed emotions! http://www.custardapple.com.au.....tid=16&Itemid=57


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I forgot to mention that the values in bold indicate the highest value for that particular nutrient.  US PawPaw and Papaya were excluded from this comparison because they are unique on their own way and they already have their own placing in our food lists.  The other species in the chart are more closely related and most of them do not have a rating in our food lists.

Chart is on reply 379.    




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Hi GW, thank you.  There is another important value to consider, which is in the graphic charts you PM to me.  I will try to get to them tonight and post them here.  Pitty not all the species get represented there.

Dr D and Dr Yellow discussion link: I think he may not have listed all the variables there, it was just a post trying to prove his point.  In his proper study, may be he did consider that.  

Thanks for pointing us to the Seasonal link for the Custard Apples, good to know.  Weather is changing so much though, that we may even start seeing them a lot earlier in the shops.

So, kids grow up so quick!! School next year!!!  We all go through the missed emotions, I feel them with you.  What a great moment in your lives!!  




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Research on Grape Leaves,
Hojas de Parra in spanish
Feuilles de Vigne:

I have these in my Swami and I have not eaten them before.  I have a couple of young grape vines producing their first crop, I know what to do with the grapes when they are ready for picking.  As for the grapevine leaves, they are getting my special attention for the first time.  Which ones to pick, what to do with them?  I believe they are popular in Greek and middle eastern cuisine, so I went googling and find this useful link:

http://www.ellenskitchen.com/recipebox/dolmas.html

  
Algunas recetas en espanol:
http://www.cocinavegetal.com/index.php/rollitos-de-hoja-de-parra/
http://www.cheeef.com/2177/recetario/2525/

francais (Reply 394):
http://www.recettesdecuisine.tv/recette-i93-f3/feuilles+de+vigne/recette+feuilles+de+vigne.html






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I see you've worked hard lately, Cristina, about the annonaceae...
Congratulations !
In french: "Chapeau!"

It's quite interesting even if, for the time being, I'm not attracted by those fruits.

I also have grape leaves (feuilles de vigne) as benefical but I never cooked them up to now. But it happened that I ate some, that were wrapped around rice.

I'm going to ask my Greek sister-in-law if she knows about traditional ways to cook them. Of course I could search on the internet but it's like I understand better when she explains a recipe to me    

What I already know is that they must be picked when young. Otherwise they are chewy.


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Hi Agathe, thanks for the french tip, I am updating the post to include the french translation and if you find some good french links with recipes we can include those there too.

The link I posted above does have recipes, it tells you how to pick and when to pick the fresh leaves, how to store them dry or brined and recipes on what to do with them. Good info, but of course is in english.  Over to you for the french versions.  I have started to include a bit of the spanish too.  




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I see you've worked hard lately, Cristina, about the annonceae...
Congratulations !
In french: "Chapeau!"

Thank you!! GheeWhiz is also researching and posting a lot in this thread, while juggling young kids and other commitments.  Congratulations too mate.  I am very thankful to her and anybody else posting, researching and giving feedback, like yourself now.  It all helps ...  And, it is also part of the therapy, making sure all muscles get a workout, including our brains ...   





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Hi !

feuilles de vigne (for the translation of grap leaves)

Domas... feuilles de vignes farcies... veeeeeeeeeery delicious... with olive oil and lemon.... ohlala !
And I think it is all compliant !

I found a link with recipes but do not know if great or poor...
I just take in mind that the leaves are boiled (short time), then let cool and dry... Prepare the mixture (with rice for example), "half-cook" it (if necessary)... then make the rolls and cook in water 1/2h - 3/4h ... Eat it cold... with oil, lemon or what you want !

too late !!! leaves are red and yellow here !!!
Let us know and enjoy a lot !!!
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merci mon amie.   Updated the link.  




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Cristina

This is an brilliant piece of work you're doing - biggest thanks  !!

Where would I find the latest tables for Australian food please?  I'm flying home to Brissie on 10 December and would like to bring a copy so I can be compliant when I'm home.

Many thanks in advance

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I could give you the link, but then it will get buried again in more posts.  I tell you how to find it all the time:  Click on the forum tab above, scroll down to Swami Xpress, then select either this Research thread, or the Summary thread.  Hope that helps.  There are a few recently discussed food items we need to post there, like the Anonna fruit family and others ...

Generally, food items not listed assume they have same vernacular as either US or UK english, but it could also mean that we have not investigated them yet.  Have a look at the list and if there is anything else in particular that is in your Bene lists you like to have often and we have not discuss it, post it here.  I should be able to tell you the likehood of finding them in aussie land or not.

If you have access to internet while in brissie, stay tune into this forum or send me an e-mail if you get stuck with any food items.  Hope you enjoy your time in Brissie.  




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Thanks Cristina will do a search for it!

Yep, really looking forward to Christmas at home in the sunshine this year  !!

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Thanks for the grape leaves recipes site in french, Mohairandsilk  
I bookmarked it.

I'll try a few of them...

       ...next spring !!        

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