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C_Sharp, it looks like we can update summaries with the contents from reply 310.  Thanks.  




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GW,  thanks again for posting the list, you as usual, are right, we should clear this list too.  So going down the list:

In Australia/NZ (unless Posum or somebody else from NZ tells us otherwise):

Snow Peas = Snow Peas (mangetout sounds french)

Eggplant = Eggplant  (augerbine french?)

Hazelnut = Hazelnut
Peanut = Peanut
Parsnip = Parsnip
Green Beans = Green beans (stringless beans, flat beans, round beans, snap beans, runner beans, snake beans) in other words easily recognizable in the greengrocers even under this plethora of names.

So far so good?  The rest to follow ...




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Here is the info in both formats:

Quoted from Cristina
Closure of some Melons, Dandelion Greens, Aparagus Pea, Chesses (Quark, Peccorino, Manchego, Paneer, Farmer), Nutritional and Bakers Yeast:

Equivalent Food Choices Summary



Dairy Products
Quark, Farmer, Paneer
Pecorino, Manchego
Same vernacularReplies 225-7,291,293



Live Foods
Asparagus Pea
(Tetragonolobus purpureus)
Winged PeaReply 282



Dandelion Greens
(Taraxacum Officinale)
Dandelion/
Common Dandelion
Reply 278



Fruits
CanteloupeSpecialty Melons:
Charentais Melon
Reply 260



Casaba MelonHoneydew CasabaReply 260



Musk Melon RockmelonsReply 260



Condiments
Bakers YeastBrewers/Torula YeastReply 294



Nutritional YeastSavory Yeast FlakesReply 294



Typebase EquivalentComments
Dairy Products
Farmer, Paneer, Quark,
Peccorino and Manchego
same vernacular Replies 225-7, 291,293
Live Foods
Asparagus Pea
(Tetragonolobus purpureus)
Winged pea Reply 282
Dangelion Greens
(Taraxacum Officinale)
Dandelion/
Common Dandelion
Reply 278
Fruits
Canteloupe
Specialty Melons/Charentais Melon Reply 260
Casaba MelonHoneydew Casaba Reply 260
Musk Melon
Rockmelons Reply 260
Condiments
Bakers Yeast
Brewers/Torula Yeast Reply 294
Nutritional Yeast
Savory Yeast Flakes Reply 294




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I think the academics have found the the Sea Bream that Dr D has in SWAMI!  The European Sea Bream (blackspot sea bream - Pagellus Bogaraveo) is in the typebase under Porgy.  So I propose that since Porgy has a different value to Sea Bream in the GTD, and since the Western Atlantic Sea Bream (Archosargus Rhomboidalis) is according to the above academics known as Sea Bream in their native range, this is the Sea Bream in GTD / SWAMI.

Dunno why I'm excited since we can't get that fish here! I hope we can finish the Sea Bream issue and that we can eat local Sea Bream like you said Cristina.



GW, I completely missed this!!  Sorry,  I think the amalgaman removal effects had me in their grip then!!  I am prepared to give this one up too, at least until Nap or some official authority decides to reveal the Swami Seabream identity.  In the meantime we seem to have consensus in:

Porgy = Breams concentrating in good eating quality ones
Porgy/Red Porgy = Snapper (C-sharp comment included)
Porgy/Blackspot Seabream = Not Available
Porgy/Scup = Not available
Swami SeaBream = Not available

Good work team!!  




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Research on Cassava:

I brought this from another thread because I think it is also relevant for our research on food choices.  Query from Mayflowers and my reply:

Quoted from 815
Are these all one in the same vegetable?  My SWAMI has Cassava as a neutral but in the Carbohydrates section, it has Tapioca, manioc, Cassava as a black dot?


Cassava in the 'Live Food' section refers to the Casava Tubers

The Cassava in the Carbohydrate section refers to the Cassava flour which you make by grating the tube, squeezing the juice out of it, and letting it dry, or freezing.  Sorry, it has been a while since I made one.  Got a few plants in my backyard that need harvesting.  The cassava flour is excellent to making pancakes.  I will post some more when I get around to doing it again.  

They are both black dots in my Swami though.       




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I didn't put another list on here to annoy anyone, just thought it is relevant (somewhere in the world anyway) and it's good someone has already done research on equivalent foods.

Interesting about Cassava thanks Cristina.  So they make Tapioca flour out of it, I wondered what that was!   Glad you know what you're doing with it to get rid of the arsenic.

Found this info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava

I hope we find out which Sea Bream is in GTD Book / SWAMI! Until then, I agree, we can only guess.


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Research on Cassava:

WARNING! Cassava can be poisonous!!

I have done a permaculture course some time ago, and that is the issue with the Cassava tubers.  There are two main varieties: the yellow or sweet  and white or bitter Cassava.  The yellow variety can be boiled like potatos (although I would never try that, read on).  The white variety seems to have concentrations of cyanide.  It is always recommended to grate it and ferment it first.  According to what we learnt at this course, eaten like this (grated and fermented) makes the tubers safe.

If growing cassava, it is better to get the younger sweet tubers of the yellow varieties, although our Perma teacher has harvested white variety tubers from eight years before, but made sure she fermented them well before eating.  

When harvesting it, they must be processed within 24 hours, as they become more toxic with time.  I do not harvest unless I am ready to process them.  The least time the tubers are exposed to the air, the safer they are.  If you see purplish, grey streaks throughout the tuber, that means the toxics have developed and needs to be discarded.  I suppose it is a bit like growing potatoes, you must keep potatoes away from light, or they go greenish and become toxic with alkaloids!!

I know people eats them boiled, but I have heard that with time, they tend to get accumulation of cyanade in their bodies because the boiling alone does not render the toxic safe.  When I ever eat cassava I do it fermented way.  I know a few people who has been eating it this way for many years without ill effects.

BTW, the name of the sickness people may die off from eating these tubers is Konzo.  I will edit this post with some relevant links soon.  Just want it to place this warning sooner rather than later.     It is a stable food for many cultures in the world, when treated properly, like with everything in life.  Knowledge is power and joy.  You get to enjoy culinary variety in your diet ...




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It is great you posted it, it gives us direction.  Spot on girl (with the posting and work, but cross that comment).  You are also right about other parts of the world benefiting, I sort of had that intention when I first posted the summary tables with the name of 'Summary of Food choices ...' without using the word aussie, but someone changed the title of the thread adding the word 'aussie' to it.  

You see, some of our research, as you and everyone working here realize, applies to other languages, cultures too.  It seems such a waste to not make them aware of it.  The tittle of the thread seems a bit exclusive, maybe we should change it to just Research on food choices, and make it a repository for any food enquiries from all over the world. And the Summary tables can be adapted, combined or new ones created for the different languages.  At least they will all be under the one place, easy access for everyone.





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Thanks Cristina, just me being a bit of oversensitive I guess, don't worry.  It's hard to tell the tone over the internet.

How fast do you type anyway!?

Some of the food terms in Australia will be similar in UK and probably other commonwealth countries I guess.  I think we have alot of work just to sort out Australian/NZ (thinking of Possum and yes I do like them in my garden and wouldn't have to heart to electrocute them just was upset with the oil spill - exxon valdez incident in our garage!) food though without taking on the whole world yet!  If you can keep up with that, you're good.  

Sick of having the flu here, had it for over a week now.    


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GW, sorry to hear flu is lingering at your place.  Make sure you get plenty of rest and look after yourself, as you know, usual: supplements and no avoids.  My son who came back from America where everyone seems to have it according to the news here, started showing some signs of it.  Dear D also came the other day complaining about feeling the flu signs creeping in.  I gave DD 10 of my ProBerries capsules for her to have 2 twice daily and gave the same dosage to my son for a few days.  They both seemed to have hold it at bay.  Both being As, I also advice to stay away from dairy and wheat, at least for a few days (you guessed it well, not following diet yet).  

I wonder if Proberries will be good for you too?  Have you got any? It was a tip from Lola a way back that got me into them (when we had the dust storms).  You had the storms worse than at my place, so you may be paying the price now.  Hope you can get Proberries or something similar to speed your recovery.  Get well soon!!  




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Thanks hon!  


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My, my Lola, is that fast service or what!!     I think it is more inclusive now, it is not just aussies.  Hope it pleases everyone else too.  Thanks again lady from the city of Eternal spring, always springing into action!    




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you are all so diligent and we re all benefiting!


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It is a GREAT idea to have changed the title. I feel more... invited  

Cristina, what is Proberries ?
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You are most welcomed!!

Regarding Proberry:

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=NP014

One of the supps from the store.  Cheers  




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Thanks for the link.
A very interesting product for my present concerns.
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I have some posts under 'Cristina's Swami Xpress' thread, which I think they should be better under this thread since they pertain to research on Nutritional/Bakers Yeast and Yerba Mate food items.  

These are the post numbers in question:  53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60.

Is this possible?  





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Relevant research posts brought over from 'Cristina's Swami Xpress' thread:

Nutritional/Bakers Yeast:

Quoted from Cristina
My Swami has Nutritional Yeast as SF and Bakers yeast as Neutral.  I have a packet of british Brewers Yeast which is what I used for my breakfast above.  What rating shall I give this?  

Quoted from Lola
I only get brewer s down here powdered .....
think baker s is synonymous of brewer s, cause I wouldn t think of supplementing with yeast used for making bread!! lol
no one has heard of nutritional, down here, unfortunately.

Quoted from Cristina
Regarding Brewers Yeast:

On reading the ingredients:
quote
Dried yeast with added thiamin (b1) and riboflavin (B2). ....Classed as a nutritional, non-baking yeast.
unquote

So, is it substitution for Nutritional yeast here?  The brand is Soland (packed in Australia) and bought it at a HFS.  They did not seem to know about nutritional yeast per say.

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as I previously mentioned, swami has both ratings
Yeast, Bakers
Yeast, Nutritional

I consider the first to be the equivalent of brewer s.

so to answer your question, no, brewer s is not to be considered nutritional,
it is less sweet than nutritional.

nutritional grows on sweet tubers like beets.
there are many sites explaining the differences.




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Relevant posts brought over from 'Cristina's Swami Xpress':

Research on Yerba Mate:

Quoted from Cristina
Something else I gained in my food lists is Yerba Mate, as a SF.  This is the traditional drink where I come from and grew up drinking it.  I have not tried that for the last 15 years or so.  Where I am in Australia, you cannot get it.  I think I may have to order it from Sydney or Melbourne.  

Jenny, Jumari is that something you can get in Camberra, Sydney, if you know of any good suppliers let me know.

I believe these days you can get them in tea bags, but we used to drink them in these special gourds with a metal (silver) straw.  I suppose we were getting then a double health boost: the goodness of the Yerba tea and the benefits of silver (I think there is info in the net about silver being good).  I still have both the gourd and metal straw.  It will be nice using them again, walking the ancestral path...

And Lola, thanks for the lesson on blood grouping nomenclature, fixed info under shield ...

Quoted from Jenny
I have recently found Yerba Mate in teabags at my HFS in Griffith, ACT. They also have loose 'mate' tea which the owner says is the same. The teabags are rather expensive, the loose reasonably cheap.

Quoted from Symbi
Try the great Ironwood Cottage in Sandgate.  It's not far off the M1 and you could enjoy a walk around the lagoon near there too and enjoy the quaint shops, not far from the nice foreshore there too.  http://www.startlocal.com.au/retail/healthfood/qld_brisbane/Ironwood_Cottage_1424799.html

They have wholesale flours (1/2 price compared to supermarket!), dried fruits (including preservative free), baked breads, free-range organic hormone-free meats, free-range fruit and veg.  Biggest range of orgran products I've seen.  
Big range of healthy snacks and lots of things I've never seen before.  Helpful staff too, you could give them a call and find out if they've got Yerba Mate.  I bet they have!

Quoted from Jumari
I found some Yerba Mate today at a place called About Life. And over priced organic shop here in Balmain, NSW. Its incredibel how the word organic just ups the price instantly. Do you have the About life franchise over there?

Quoted from shells
Hi Christina,

Before going off hunting for Yerba Mate give a couple of Woolworths a ring to see if any are in stock.  I have found packets of 25 teabags made by 'Lotus Peak' packaged in W.A. (www.lotuspeak.com.au) just here in my local supermarket!

Was so excited to see them by accident only to find out that they are only neutral for me.  These were found in the tea section of the supermarket but you may want to check in the health section (store variation).  Lotus Peak also make a gentle white tea which I have had in the past and the Yerba Mate was alongside this tea.  

Good luck  





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Like the new thread name!  Are you ready for this, long awaited research comparing Soursop and USA Paw Paw and Cherimoya.  Finally finished maybe?    Still haven't looked at custard apple though which is easy to get in Australia.

  • USA Paw paw (Asimina genus (8 species incl. Common Paw paw (Asimina Triloba))(is in GT Diet/SWAMI)

  • Cherimoya (Annona Chermimoya) (in GT Diet/SWAMI)

  • Soursop, Guanabana, Graviola (Annona Amuricata)

    a
  • Custard Apple (Annona Reticulata)

  • Sweetsop, Sugar Apple (Annona Squamosa)


These fruits are all part of the huge tropical Annonaceae family (custard apple family).  They all produce different amounts of annonaceous acetogenins which are being recognised for their medical (anti-tumour, anti-malarial, anti-viral) and pesticidal benefits.    See the articles below under Soursop that confirm this.


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Soursop  (Annona muricata)
Common names: Graviola, Paw-Paw, Graviola, Guanabana

Is the most tropical and largest fruited in the family, widespread over the tropics and can be found in Australia.  
http://newcrop.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/soursop.html

"The Annonaceous acetogenins are promising new antitumor and pesticidal agents that are found only in the plant family Annonaceae." From An article in The Journal of Natural Products (1999) http://www.wholeworldbotanicals.com/herbal_graviola
Also on that page note research has been done by 3 separate research teams since the 1940s on different species in the Annonaceae family including on Annona Muricata native to PNG:

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"Annonaceous acetogenins are only found in the Annonaceae family (to which graviola belongs). In general, various Annonaceous acetogenins in the plant family have been documented with antitumorous, antiparasitic, pesticidal, antiprotozoal, antifeedant, anthelmintic, and antimicrobial activities. Mode of action studies in three separate laboratories have recently determined that these acetogenins are superb inhibitors of enzyme processes that are only found in the membranes of cancerous tumor cells. Purdue University, in West Lafayette, Indiana, has conducted a great deal of the research on the acetogenins, much of which has been funded by The National Cancer Institute and/or the National Institute of Health (NIH)"
http://www.cancerplants.com/medicinal_plants/annona_muricata.html

(also note the warnings on that page about not using if pregnant, low blood pressure, taking MAO inhibitors / antidepressants.  If using for more than 30 days probiotic or digestive enzymes are advisable because of antimicrobial properties!)

Looks like it can be grown in the subtropics, shield from frosts and cold winds though http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/soursop.htm

Also found a few negative studies about links with parkinsons disease with daily ingestion http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/110576358/abstract?CRETRY=1&SRETRY=0


Cherimoya (Annona Cherimola)

It appears as an also ran in the acetogenins race.  It's mentioned it has acetogenins at http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf9018239


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US Paw paw, Asimina Genus

There are 8 species of the Asmina Genus relatives of the tropical Annonaceae family, native to the USA.  The most common and northern reaching temperate species is Asimina Triloba (Common Paw Paw) (also the largest native fruit USA produces)  There has been lots of research done on USA Paw Paw and the annonaceous acetogenins they contain and the potential for becoming a popular fruit.  Chemotherapy drugs have been made from some of the acetogenins.

Paw paw and cancer: annonaceous acetogenins from discovery to commercial products.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18598079
"Extracts of paw paw ( Asimina triloba, Annonaceae) are among the most potent of the 3500 species of higher plants screened for bioactive compounds in our laboratories at Purdue University."
Unfortunately, they do not compare the concentration of Acetogenins from other plants in the Annonacea family for us.

Paw Paw Fact sheet
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/cropfactsheets/pawpaw.html

Pawpaw (Asimina triloba): A "Tropical" Fruit for Temperate Climates (Describes growing conditions etc.)
http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1993/v2-505.html

The potential of paw paw as a popular fruit in USA
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/html3month/1990-9/9402.Karahadian.pawpaws.html

Map of where it grows and pictures & more
http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ASTR


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