Heres another one for the UK Typebase. Doesn't seem to be there.
Went to the vege shop and asked if they had Rutabagas
and Con the Fruiterer/veg guy said Root a what?
I said Rutagaga. He said never heard of it.
After doing some research and finding out that Rutagabas were from Sweden. I slowly put 1 and 1 together when I noticed Swedes in the supermarket. Sure enough if you check this site out.
Rutabagas are Swedes in Oz. And its a big diamond food for many.
Heres another one for the UK Typebase. Doesn't seem to be there. Went to the vege shop and asked if they had Rutabagas and Con the Fruiterer/veg guy said Root a what? I said Rutagaga. He said never heard of it. After doing some research and finding out that Rutagabas were from Sweden. I slowly put 1 and 1 together when I noticed Swedes in the supermarket. Sure enough if you check this site out. Rutabagas are Swedes in Oz. And its a big diamond food for many. http://www.gardenate.com/plant/Swedes
Heres another one for the UK Typebase. Doesn't seem to be there.
Went to the vege shop and asked if they had Rutabagas
...
After doing some research and finding out that Rutagabas were from Sweden. I slowly put 1 and 1 together when I noticed Swedes in the supermarket. Sure enough if you check this site out.
Rutabagas are Swedes in Oz. And its a big diamond food for many.
Thanks Jumari, but, have you looked at the summary tables. Since post 84, where we identified that Rutagaba were Swedes in Australia, they have been there. I know it gets hard to keep up with everything, but if I cannot find something in the shops, I come to these summaries first before going into research. It is good though that your research has confirmed our earlier findings, so I will add your post to it. Good work Jumari and thanks for posting.
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Just to assist with keeping track with the summaries, I am thinking of opening up a thread with just the summary tables, no other posts are to go there. Any error, omissions or updates and research discussions will continue in this post. And maybe Lola can stick that one too. What do you guys think? In the meantime, these are the current post for summary tables. BTW, I am due to update a couple of them with recent findings. Do it soon.
Sounds like a great idea Cristina. For now, could you please put which page number the summaries are on too, not just the post number please, that might help locating them. I guess we'll end up with a few pages even in the summaries only thread!
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maybe Lola can stick that one too
done!
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Hi Team: C_Sharp has kindly volunteered to do the updates to the tables for me, so I do not have to create so many posts in the Summary thread due to the 72hr deadline normal users have. So the posted summaries will have the latest info from the research thread and there will only be the same 3 or 4 posts with the summary tables only. Thanks C_Sharp.
The procedure will be for me to post an update request here (for record keeping) with an alert PM for C_Sharp, in case he is not tuned in (hardly ever!!) . I will use the same blah code used for the tables, so all he has to do is copy and paste behind the scenes. So nothing has really changed, but instead of me directly posting new tables in the Summary thread, C_Sharp will update the existing relevant table for me (using his admin privilege). This will also ensure continuity of these very informative threads. If I am away on holidays or something, somebody else can take over this 'updating requests' role.
In the meantime, I am reviewing all posts and making sure our tables as shown in the Summary thread are up to date before the 72hr close off. Kindly check them up and let me know of required updates (according to what we have posted here so far) are needed (many pairs of eyes can see better than two).
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Navigational tip:
I was going to post a table with the start reply number for each page, to make it easier to get to referenced posts, when in doing so I realized that every page has exactly 25 replies, therefore to get to a particular page for a post number we can use the following formula:
divide the reply number by 25 and add 1 to the answer
Using an example, to find Food choices Summary table (equiv) that is posted in Reply 187:
187/25 =7 with a remainder of 12 7 + 1 = 8
The reminder gives an indication of where on the page is the Reply we are seeking. In this example, Food choices Summary4 (equiv) is in about the middle part of page 8.
This will work as long as my assumption that each page only has 25 posts is correct. It could all just be coincidence... in which case posting of a Start Reply no. for each page could still be useful ...
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Research on melons:
So far I identified the following Typebase melons:
Honeydew Melon = Honeydew Melon in Australian
Cantaloupe Melon (true european)= Charentais melon in Australia Classified under specialty melons by the Australian Tropical fruits portal (Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry:
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Thanks Lola. I tried searching, but I cannot access those older discussions, whenever I click on them, I get a blank page. Is this the same for everyone?
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try clicking on Cached next to the address...that might work for now.....the glitch might get restored
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Great maths there Cristina, that will help us navigating, thanks.
Here are some more of those pictures I scanned in (mostly fruit and veg that I'm personally not too familiar with). Maybe the pictures could go onto the food list, though if it would add too much to your workload, that's ok. Pictures might make it easier to understand for the easily confused like me. Though maybe we're going too far? Well I scanned them in and here they are anyhow.
Still working on the paw paw and will post here sooon. Also have some research on beans that I did for the BTD, will translate to GTD and put up here too soon.
Note it's got rockmelon and cantaloupe together that's where I got that wrong idea from, they look similar though
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Whitlof is interesting. It is made by shooting from the Chicory Root (CICHORIUM INTYBUS). The red leafed chicory and chicory root is in typebase / gtd but not the whitlof. Is a close relative of Endive / Escarole (CICHORIUM ENDIVIA)http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?156
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Belgian endive is also known as French endive, witlof in the Netherlands, witlo(o)f in the USA, chicory in the UK, as witlof in Australia, endive in France, and chicon in parts of Northern France and in Wallonia.
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Great work GW!! Thanks for all the info on the Endive, Chicoky, Escarole saga.
It started back in post 84 with the Swami UK version that calls escarole, Leaf Chicory
Then Sed identified the tongue twister between Chicory, Endive, Belgian Endives back in posts 205 and continue with 206,208 with me changing the Escarole name a couple of times in the table from Chicory leaf, to broad chicory leaf, then to the current naming as a mixture of both: chicory leaf/broad leaf endive.
Thanks for taking it on, your posts clarified this issue. I try to summarize this information in the following chart: TB=TypeBase
Genus Chicory | ____________________|______________________ | | Endive Chicory (CICHORUM ENDIVIA) (Cichorium intybus) Leaf Root | (var. foliosum) (var. sativum) | | _______|_________ ________|__________ | | | | | Curly Endive (TB) Escarole (TB) (TB)Radiccio Sugarloaf Witlof (var crispum) (var latifolia) Red endive Belgian Endive (TB) Bavarian, Red chicory Endive (TB) Batavian or Broad Leaf Endive
(Based on Wikipedia genus breakdown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicory). Do notice that in the chart above it should be clear that what we call Witlof in Australia and Belgian Endive or chicory in UK and Endive in France is what TypeBase refers to as Belgian Endive, but lists under Endive.
The scientific names I used in this chart are according to Wikipedia, but TypeBase groups Witlof under the Endive scientific name instead of the Chicory scientific name, like in Wikipedia.
Endive, Escarole and Chicory are three different Live foods which sometimes are rated different in our lists. So hopefully after this team research the information is clear enough for everyone to be able to shop accordingly.
Glad to help! Great chart there Cristina, makes it clear. Why does everyone have to use different names all over the world?!
Anyway, after posting I realised that in the GTD book there is Chicory Root and there is also just Chicory. What about in SWAMI? Could Chicory be referring to Whitlof as well?
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Chicory, Endive, Escarole, Radiccio conclusion:
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Chicory (Cichorium intybus)
Chicory
Reply 84,205-08, 268-9, 273-4
Endive/ Belgian Endive(Cichorium Endivia)
Witlof (Cichorium intybus)
Reply 84,205-08, 268-9, 273-4
Endive/Curly Endive(Cichorium Endivia)
Curly Endive
Reply 84,205-08, 268-9, 273-4
Escarole(Cichorium Endivia)
Escarole, Broad Leaf Endive
Reply 84,205-08, 268-9, 273-4
Radiccio(Cichorium intybus)
Red Chicory
Reply 84,205-08, 268-9
The University of Melbourne in Australia produced this collection of common and scientific names under the chicory genus, listing the common names for all languages: english, dutch, japanese, Italian, Espanol, French, ........ . it includes links to relevant photos too.
Glad to help! ... Anyway, after posting I realised that in the GTD book there is Chicory Root and there is also just Chicory. What about in SWAMI? Could Chicory be referring to Whitlof as well?
GW, after your post I also checked BTD and although it only lists it under Chicory Root, the description talks about the plant (leaves) too.
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This relative of the ENDIVE has curly, bitter-tasting leaves that are often used as part of a salad or cooked as greens. In the United States, curly endive is sometimes erroneously called chicory.
So, my conclusion is that Chicory in GTD and SwamiX (where is a diamond for me), refers to the Chicory plant that is grown for its leaves. The same plant is sometimes grown mainly for its roots to make chicory coffee. Check the university of Melbourne link above, it has all the possible chicory variations in the world listed there in every language. It includes of course, Radiccio, Escarole, chicory, endive ....
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Food for thought:
There are obviously at least 3 ratings for the Endive, Chicory and Escarole. I have not seen Belgian Endive or Witlof listed individually.
So, my understanding is that when we see Endive listed in our SwamiX or GT books, we can use either Belgian endive or Curly endive as per chart in post 269. They are both listed together in Typebase, so equal rating.
Escarole is on its own as Escarole or Broad Leaf Endive or whatever other translations are in other languages. And it has its own rating in our lists.
Chicory, is the chicory plant, not to be confused with the curly endive. It has its own rating.
Chicory Root is listed on its own in our Swami lists and therefore it has its own rating.
I do not think we have any problems in identifying Radiccio which has its own placing in our lists.
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