TypeBase Currants vs Aussie currants:

The berry type vs the grape type.  Can we get the berry type in Australia?

I actually did go to the Sydney fish market and found other fish that are not on the list. I had some Kingfish Sashimi which was delicious, not knowing if it is a Toxin. The other is Gem fish.

I did find some monkfish which is a diamond for me, regardless of genotype. So we bought a couple of fillets. Never had it before.

I suppose, as long as we stick to the type of fish SwamiXpress recommends for us, we may be OK.  Like my Swami recommends me to include the non-oily, white flesh category fish and to avoid the 'bottom feeding fish'.  Armed with these recommendations (at least in my case), we should be all right.

Were your recommendations similar?

Isn't salmon an oily fish?

I'm still not 100% about my final genotype so I can't anwer your question till after thursday.

I'm really happy about the fact that I found my prop taster strips after looking for days and have now confirmed beyond any doubt that I am a taster. Yippee.

Commercial Mushrooms, Silver dollar mushrooms:

Agaricus bisporus
Extract From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

Agaricus bisporus—known variously as the common mushroom, button mushroom, white mushroom, table mushroom, portobello mushroom, crimini mushroom, Swiss Brown mushrooms, also known as Cremini, Italian Brown, Italian mushroom, Roman Brown mushrooms, or cultivated mushroom —is an edible basidiomycete mushroom native to grasslands in Europe and North America. A. bisporus is cultivated in more than 70 countries.[1]

Quoted from Jenny

Because most of our most popular fish do not swim in northern hemisphere waters close to the U.S. they have not been tested for typebase and until Dr D has a lab downunder it would seem unlikely that we will know for sure where our favourites lie in the spectrum. I have basically come to the conclusion that self testing on our own bodies is about as close as we are likely to get.

"You can search by scientific name the entire website and the typebase value will come up.  Searched for Macruronus bought up nothing, so that common fish in Australia / from NZ is not listed!"

Wonder where that leaves most of NZ produce??! As far as I know, they get things from both countries...

Quoted from Jumari

Isn't salmon an oily fish?

Yes, you are right, Dr D's program has ensured that we do get some oily fish in our diet as well, maybe for the essencial fatty acids absorbtion. I have found the following website that may explain further the choices of oily fishes in our lists:

http://www.skincancer.org/oily-fish-your-route-to-vitamin-d.html

Here is an extract from it:
quote
What Are Some Low-Mercury, Oily Fish?

The FDA and EPA advise at-risk populations to eat up to 12 ounces a week of low-mercury fish. Many oily fish are safe to eat, including salmon, sardines, herring, and Atlantic mackerel. Wild or canned salmon from Alaska are best, since they have lower levels of pollutants like PCBs and dioxins.
unquote

Dr D also recommends  that we should take special care to ensure that the source of fish is fresh and free of industrial toxins, which accumulate in the fat and we should avoid farm raised fish.

Thanks Ladies for all that hard work into the research. And thanks to Jenny for the list.

I have no choice but to just eat what is available and hope for the best.

My main choices are:

Barramundi - always available (not sure but its a  white flesh and non oily) , I feel strongly that this one is OK.

Farmed Atlantic Salmon (most fish shop people can't tell you which variety of Salmon it is) ,

Tuna - Same variety but depends on my GT. Only good for warriors.

Blue eyed cod (Jenny's list doesn't have a classification for it, hope its the same as the american cod, probably not, but I allow myself that one now and again),

Cod - on rare occasions I do find plain Cod and I snap it up quickly.

Red Snapper (only a neutral) ,

Ling Ling (not my favourite but its white flesh and non oily). Looking at Jenny's list, its a type of cod but don't think its been tested).

Monkfish is available and a diamond for me but a little hard to find.

Perch / Ocean Perch is pretty common as well. I wonder if that one is OK. Not in Jennys list.

John Dory - not in Jennys list.

The other one we get a lot of, and I'm not sure if my Tassie partner is right, is shark. She says that most fish and chips shops use shark and batter it. They don't label it as shark because they know that a lot of people would be turned off by it. On the fish shops, when you get fish fillets or just Flakes without a fish name, bet your bottom silver dollar its shark. We've asked the fish shop, thats one variety that they do know well around these parts. Please correct me if I'm wrong. As long as its not great white, I guess were OK. And thats a Black dot for all group A GT's.

Canned sardines are ofcourse easy to find. For me I had it in brine and didn't really enjoy it. I avoid them in tomato sauce (toxin) and I love them with Olive oil but that would take me over my portion of Fats and oils.

How can you tell which ones are bottom feeders?

Looks like were up S--t creek without a paddle....



I think a handy classification would be knowing whether your GT is better off with River fish or Ocean varieties.

Can NAP send a small team Down Under to test the rest? We'll be happy to be the Guinea Pigs won't we ladies? I'll even eat Witchetty grubs and Goana, but I don't think Ill be eating any Koala (diamond or no diamond).

Thanks for that Jumari, I still have not received the list from Jenny  
No Witchetty grubs and goana here!!  DH may be game though ...  But yes, I second the guinea piggy thingy for us.  Please, please NAP come and help us classify all this tucka from down under...

I think I read somewhere that the bigger the ocean fish, the longer time it had to absorb toxins in its body, so I wonder if this assumption will place Sharks in the avoid category?  


The internet free Wikepedia lists the following as bottom feeder fishes:

Bottom feeding fish include flatfish (halibut, flounder, plaice, sole), eels, ling cod, haddock, bass, grouper, bream (snapper) and some species of catfish and shark.

Bottom feeding invertebrates include shellfish, crabs, crayfish, sea anemones, starfish, snails, bristleworms and sea cucumbers.

The Wikepedia also explains that bottom feeders feed on or near the bottom of a mass of water (ocean, lake, river or aquariums). Some are grazing on the floor while others maybe hunters catching passing fish near the bottom.

Hi,

I recall someone, maybe Lola, mentioned John Dory is a bottom feeder. The flat fish are bottom feeders.

Thanks Lola, Chandon for the info   

Thanks Jenny, Jumari for the lists

We now have quite a bunch of disparate information in this thread re fish in Australia (and probably New Zealand I would guess). I would like to ask Cristina, Jumari and Ghee Wizz if any of you would like to be the ongoing compiler of this information, as it would be a shame for it to be buried on a remote page as time passes. If the general sheet could be expanded as information arises, then whoever is doing this editorial work could advertize it on the thread, thus bringing the thread to the surface again, and those interested could request the updated list.
What do you think? Any volunteer available? I'm slightly overwhelmed with life/work at the moment.

Thanks for the suggestion Jenny... Great idea - I'm a bit overwhelmed with work etc too unfortunately...

Great suggestion Jenny, and I do not mind doing it for the time being.  I am at home most of the time, retired and I really enjoy the learning and brain massaging opportunities this forum offers.  Coming from a high paced corporate computer based profession, I can do with the exercise.  We can combine efforts with whoever wants to jump in.

I think, I might edit my first post to contain a summary of the consensus for the different items on discussion further down the thread.  This way, users can avoid having to read endless discussions if all they want is to know the particular equivalent to a food product in their lists .

this thread has been stickied for you all!

Thanks Lola!!

Rethinking my last post a bit.  Because of the limitations on posting capacity, I think it may be a better idea, to every now and then, post summary of food items in discussion where consensus have been reached.  Each summary will contain new items not shown in previous summaries.  The very first post in this thread will show the links to those summary posts.  Shall we give this a try and see how it works?

To start with, I will create a summary post showing resolutions for cilantro, coriander, pawpaw, papaya and a few others find in this thread so far.  Then I will reflect this by updating post number 1.  Give me a few minutes and let me know if you think it may work well ..

PS:  This may not work at all if there is a time limit to editing posts ...
Lola?

TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 1

Typebase	AU Equivalent	Comments	Countries
Cilantro	Coriander	The  herb
Coriander	Coriander Seeds	The  seeds
Papaya	Papaw,PawPaw or Papaya	Common Australian paw paw
Paw Paw	Poor Mans Banana	A member of custard apple plant
Cornish Hen	Spring chicken	Young chicken,male or female
Currant Red/Black	Blackcurrant/Redcurrant	Not the grape variety
Romaine Lettuce	Cos Lettuce
Zuccini	Zuccini	Courguette in UK version of Swami
Litchi/Litchi nuts	Lychees/dry Lychees	dry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Rutagaba	Sweedes	Is the yellow parsnip
Escarole	Chicory Leaf	Taken from UK version of Swami
Orange	Orange
Orange		Tangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)	Nepal
Tangerine	Mandarin/Tangerine
Anchovies	Anchovies	Choose the canned european variety only
Scrod	Cod Fillets	Taken from UK version of Swami
Shrimp	Prawn
Butterfish	Butterfish	See warning Reply 68 on toxic substitutes

Summary continues on reply no: 95


Still adding to this ...
I will eventually put it in alphabetical category order.  Also post the link to next summary table, will try to do it before the 72hrs deadline ...

thanks so much for your offer Cristina, and to Lola for 'stickying' it. Would you prefer us to write to you privately so that you can do the additions yourself? For instance I have some new evidence re pawpaw that I want to share.

As suggested by someone, this thread can also be used to clarify food recognition in other countries too. For example, in Nepal what everyone calls an orange is actually a tangerine! I learnt this only a few years back after coming in touch with ER4YT. Still, unless someone clarifies, almost all people will consider the commonly available tangerines as oranges and there are food value differences between these varieties.

We have a bean commonly eaten in northern Nepal. It looks like adzuki bean but is black. It is small (much smaller than the black-eyed bean) and is called a "maas" locally. Does anyone have experience with this variety of bean, which I am presently considering an adzuki bean (black variety)?

Jenny...I'm happy to volunter for that. I think a great place to start would be to eliminate the fish that can not be found in Australian and/or NZ waters, unless you have a private jet and are able to buy elsewhere. So I'm gonna post a fish list and if everyone agrees we can eliminate them from our list.

I've cut and paste from my Teachers Swami list. If I'm missing any just add them on.

* Fish not found In Aus or NZ marked NA (Not Available)
* Fish found in these parts marked A (Available)
* Sorry not in Alphabetical order these are divided into Superfood/Neutral/Toxin for Teachers.


Bullhead  = NA
Butterfish = NA
Carp = A
Chub =  NA
Cod  = A
Croaker  = NA
Cusk  = NA
Drum  = NA
Halfmoon Fish  = (I've seen this one, could also just be called Moon fish, not sure)
Mahi-mahi = NA
Monkfish  = A
Mullet = A
Muskellunge = NA
Ocean Pout  = (We have oceat trout probably not the same, not sure)
Parrotfish = (not sure)
Perch  = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Pickerel, Walleye  = NA
Pike = NA
Pilchards = NA
Pollock, Atlantic  = NA
Pompano = Not sure
Porgy  = NA
Red Snapper = A
Rosefish = NA
Salmon, Atlantic, wild = Mostly Farmed
Salmon, Chinook  = Only canned variety, John West
Salmon, Sockeye = Only canned variety, John West
Sardine  = Mostly canned
Scrod  = NA
Sea Bream = Deep sea bream fillets and Silver Bream whole (are they they same?)
Smelt = NA
Snail, Escargot  = (probably, they serve them in french restaurants but I wouldn't know where to buy them.
Sturgeon = NA
Sucker  = NA
Sunfish, Pumpkinseed  =
Tilapia = NA
Trout, Sea = Ocean trout (fillets)-farmed                        
Tuna, Skipjack = Not Sure
Tuna, Yellowfin = A = Definitely
Turbot, European = Will double check
Whitefish  = Not sure



Herring = Not sure
Mackerel, Atlantic = Not 100 % sure
Mackerel, Spanish = not sure, maybe canned variety
Perch, Ocean = (Definitely have Ocean Perch, don't know if its the same though)
Trout, Rainbow, Wild = A = Definitely (are they farmed though?)
Trout, Steelhead, Wild
Tuna, Bluefin = Not Sure
Whiting = Not sure, Whiting (fillets) are they the same?
Yellowtail = Not sure



Anchovy = A = Canned variety
Barracuda = Not sure.
Bass, Blue Gill =
Bass, Sea, Lake •
Bass, Striped
Bluefish = Not Sure
Catfish = Not sure, think I've seen this one.
Clam =
Conch = Not sure
Crab = A = Definitely
Eel = A = Definitely
Flounder = seen it somewhere. Under inverstigation.
Frog = lots of cane toads that for sure. Wouldn't know where to buy the edible variety?
Gray Sole
Grouper =
Haddock = Not sure
Hake = Not Sure -Under investigation
Halibut = Not sure
Harvest Fish = NA
Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat?
Lobster = A = Definitely
Mussels = A = Canned
Octopus =  A = Definitely
Opaleye Fish = NA
Orange Roughy = A = Definitely•
Oyster = A = Definitely = most of which are from Oyster farms
Scallops = A = Definitely
Scup = NA
Shad = NA
Shark = A = Most definitely = Flake = (Does everyone agree on this)
Sheepshead fish = NA
Shrimp = A = Called Prawns around here.
Skate = NA
Sole = Not sure
Squid, Calamari = A = Yes
Swordfish = A = Definitely
Tilefish =
Turtle = Yes but not don't know much about the edible variety.
Weakfish = NA
Wolfish, Atlantic = Not sure but we are in the atlantic = think I've seen it.

Please add any fish from the GT lists that are not on this list. The aim is to come up with a short list of those fish that are definitly not available in Australia or NZ.

Quoted from Jenny

thanks so much for your offer Cristina, and to Lola for 'stickying' it. Would you prefer us to write to you privately so that you can do the additions yourself? For instance I have some new evidence re pawpaw that I want to share.

Jenny, post it here, so we can all share that info, unless you considered it to be too big to post, in which case we can work out behind the scenes how best to post it in the summaries.  

Jumari, that is an excellent list and thanks for volunteering too.

Kumar I can add under the comments column the names of relevant countries, or add another column for it.  Check the summaries and let me know if that is ok for your country and post relevant comments.

That's a great effort thanks Jumari

Jellyfish, dried, salted = Plenty of deadly Jelly fish around these parts, don't know if they would be safe to eat? Depends what they died of??!!

Thanks for the list Jenny it's a great layout, idea and you've put lots of work in.  Thanks for taking on editing Cristina and everyone for contributing.  I'm busy with child at home school holidays and more at the moment but could take on editing at a later time.  Also supposedly cleaning up after dust storm and possum oil attack (no offence) at mo!

Cristina, I like the summary idea to make sure that things are agreed on and final before they go into the list.  Great to have you on the team.

When editing the fish list is it going to expand to include Australia and New Zealand now (welcome and thanks Possum) so many other fish items may be added?  We may start with lots of blanks and fish that haven't been tested but that's okay.

On the list can we put a legend down the bottom like GT1 = Hunter. Bozos like me can't remember the genotype numbers.  Maybe we could also put the blood types on the list too?  May have to put a reference at the bottom to Dr D'Adamo too.

P.S. (warning: silly) Not everything's got an equivalent like the aussie saying "she aint no spring chicken" doesn't = "she aint no cornish hen"!  No offence intended. I'm glad I know what a spring chicken is now and won't eat one to let them have a bit of a life first!

P.P.S. is everyone current on the currants issue Cristina is referring to above.  The small dried grape type is a small dried grape not a currant. A currant is a largish berry never seen here (would that be in blackcurrant juice though?).  See http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1253598354/s-19/highlight-currants/#num19

Quoted from Cristina

TypeBase Currants vs Aussie currants:
The berry type vs the grape type.  Can we get the berry type in Australia?

We had a currant bush when I used to live in Aus...I've always thought the packets of currants were the berry types?? The grape type are something else aren't they - can't remember the name but more gourmet/expensive?