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Cristina
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A note on cheeses:

I could get most cheeses but for Pecorino (Diamond) and Gorgonzola (SF), until today that is: find them hiding in the exotic area of the delicatessen at the local supermarket. Why can't they just put all the cheeses together in one place?

Anybody having any difficulties getting any of the cheeses in their lists?




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I just happened to buy Pecorino yesterday as well. I can also find Manchego in some good delis.

The ones that I'm not sure of are quark cheese and farmers cheese? Seen these around?
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yes Jumari, I have seen those at the Oasis organic fruit shop, Forest Glenn Sunshine Coast.  So, you should be able to find them at the big HFS in your area?




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GW, yes, those pawpaws, papaws, papayas, red,yellow are a tonge and mind twister.  Have another look at post no 4 and you will see that even the authorities do not know how to manage this one.

Thanks for those clear photos and valuable links.  I always like to have a pick at those to find food items available here.  I have not seen the Brisbane market one though.  I usually run into the Sydney one for the seafood, and i posted those here when relevant.

Let's see if Lola can confirm my post no.224 so we can rest this case happily.




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papa w,
papa ya
can you see the correlation?

pawpaw is the custard called guanabana down here


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guanabana and cherimoya are considered cousins......one is more elongated the other rounder, but in taste they re practically the same.....even same species I believe.....

so is pawpaw over there considered a cherimoya or a guanabana?

or is there another word for them?


ooops did you just delete your last cherimoya post, or am I hallucinating?


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Lola,

No, I did not delete them, the posts here grow very fast and get pushed down the pages.  The cherymoya posts are in posts 224.

PawPaw here is the same (exactly) as the Papaya in US. The Cherymoya and guanabana here are exotic fruits and they are cousins of our custard apples. There are many varietions of custard apples in Australia but most popular ones are the African pride and Pink Mammoth.

But, the guanabana and cherymoya are even closely related to the US PawPaw and with your blessing now, maybe our choice for substitution for PawPaw.  

Anyone out there can help us out by searching the internet for nutritional info on all these varieties and suggest which is the especies variety that most resemble US pawpaw in nutrition.

Thanks.  
PS: on babysitting duty today with DGD so no much time for research. Will stay tuned in and out though ...




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Research on Porgy:
Porgy on Typebase = PAGELLUS BOGARAVEO

Family Bream in Australia, Porgie in US
Here is the link that ties them together, but I warn you, it is a loooong list (so do not go there yet, read on):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porgie,
so, which one of those species is the equivalent to Typebase Porgy? No way we could work that one out, but do not despair, 'rewards come to the one who persevere (or in this case, the one who searches)' and lo and behold, Dr D Heidi (see posts 238,240 243 to find out who she is) came to the rescue:

I picked up this extract from a conversation back in 2001 with someone in the UK who was trying to write a cookbook:

quoted from Dr D Heidi
Here’s our humble "porgy:" Chrysophrys auratus which our government would like us to call "squirefish" and which everyone calls "porgy" anyway. It is, for us, a Pacific catch, reaching so far west in its range that it has managed to pick up the nomen Australia Red Seabream ~
unquote

Link for Chrysophrys auratus:
http://www.julianrocks.net/fish/Perciformes/snapper/ChrysophrysAuratus.htm

Some other relevant links:

PS: edited to add this link at the front, by far the best on the subject, puts all the dots on is. Highly recommend to read it.

http://www.seamedia.com.au/pdf/previews/FSHING64_prev.pdf

Red Seabream = Pagrus auratus
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37353001

Red Snapper
http://www.westernangler.com.au/default.asp?action=article&ID=192

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australasian_snapper

So in conclusion we get another one into the equivalent table:

US Porgy = Australian Snapper or Red SeaBream (as per PS link posted here, too many other names to mention)  

I am posting a couple more researched fishes before updating the summary tables.




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Quoted Text
PawPaw here is the same (exactly) as the Papaya in US

think you mean papaw, right?


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Lola, despite what I posted in page one of these replies about PawPaw, papaw, Papaya, the fact is that in reality everyone calls the Papaya here, PawPaw.  Papaya is also used, but the main point is that they both refer to the same fruit which is the one with the little seeds inside (US Papaya).

US PawPaw (the one with the bigger seeds) does not exist here per say, maybe in some gardens the lucky ones managed to get some seeds to grow it. I will certainly chase that up and see if I can grow it in my garden, provided it can grow in subtropical conditions.

Custard Apple, Cherimoya or Guanabana, it looks like those we can get here and they are the nearest fruit to the american Pawpaw we may have access to.

Of course, this is my understanding, Jumari, Cher, Jenny, GheeWhiz and others from these areas may like to confirm or deny this.




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Lola, papaw is a misspelling of pawpaw (even the Brisbane Markets did it in their brochure it's different to their website).  Sorry to add more confusion, only noticed that after I posted and didn't even know what cherimoya was (listed in Genotype Diet but not on Typebase).  

Soursop (according to wikipedia is the same as guanábana
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanabana  

"Pawpaw is in the same family (Annonaceae) as the custard-apple, cherimoya, sweetsop, ylang-ylang and soursop, and it is the only member of that family not confined to the tropics."  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawpaw
I hope we can find an equivalent to the american pawpaw here!

Will do some more research into it.

Here's a joke in very paw taste:
Q: Where does paw paw come from?
A: From the leg leg of a dog dog!  


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I agree with you Cristina re the custard apple/pawpaw connection, and am looking forward to the season when I can get a box of them from a market.
Incidentally, that will enable me to make some classy strings of black beads to wear with my hawaiian outfit in ukelele gigs. ( my latest craze)



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good, now we know one thing for sure...
pawpaws are not papayas!!


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Quoted Text
quoted from Dr D


http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2002/09/06/uk-food-qs-for-an-upcoming-cookbook?blog=9
not from Dr D, actually it s Heidi s...


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Quoted from Lola


Jacquelyne, thank you for your questions... and the reminder! :-> Best of luck in your work, and DO keep in touch!!

Sorry for the mistake, I took the "" at the end of each answer was meaning Dadamo.  Who is Heidi? Excuse my ignorance ..

PS: I can see the connection now, they meant to be smylies that for some reason do not show in that original article, not on my system anyway...

The information is valid though?




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Heidi left an excellent column named
On the diet....answered questions to many
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2002/04/07/about-heidi-merritt?blog=9


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Quoted from Cristina
US PawPaw (the one with the bigger seeds) does not exist here per say, maybe in some gardens the lucky ones managed to get some seeds to grow it. I will certainly chase that up and see if I can grow it in my garden, provided it can grow in subtropical conditions.


Definitely grows subtropical!  My understanding is it is a little tricky to grow.  Where it is naturally occurs it is in the forest understory. So you need to have an established forest canopy for the trees to grow under. Needs multiple trees and varieties to pollinate. Varieties stagger pollination dates.  Male and female blooms on same tree open at different times to prevent self pollination.

I have not attempted to grow it.


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Thanks for the insight on PawPaw growing C_Sharp




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Quoted from Lola
Heidi left an excellent column named
On the diet....answered questions to many
http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2002/04/07/about-heidi-merritt?blog=9

I wish Heidi would pop in so that I could say thank you...she was such a support and help in the old days.




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Good research on the Porgy Cristina and like your new shield - lookin' good!  I also agree on the summary you made of the paw paw issue.  

I've found some nutritional info for the different relatives of American Paw Paw and hopefully will get time to compare them all together soon.


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Research on MSG:

It is a Black Dot in my Swami, but just in case anyone else has it  in their other lists options here is a must read from the NSW Food Authority in Australia.  They also cite NZ regulations.

http://www.foodauthority.nsw.gov.au/_Documents/consumer_pdf/MSG.pdf

It is disconcerting to know that cafes and restaurant do not have to declare if they are using it or not in their foods.  But they are obliged to tell you if you ask.  So, watch out for these hidden flavor enhancing products.





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EPAZOTE - (Chenopodium lambrosioides)
This is an Organic Aromatic herb which lists under Condiments and Additives. I could not find it in Typebase, so here is an interesting link to increase our knowledge of it.

http://www.rain-tree.com/epazote.htm

What I have got out of it, it is that it is a very useful plant for anyone, but particularly those of us in a 'bean type' diet.  We can use it to reduce the gassy effect of beans on us by cooking leaves with the beans. It has many other medicinal properties and the article in the link explores those in detail including researches and case citations.  

Only use leaves (not oil or seeds which may be harmful due to toxic concentrations of whatever makes the plant medicinal).  Three days is the maximum recommended to use for its medicinal purposes, unless your doc tells you otherwise.

Googling the internet indicates that in Australia, the seeds of the plant are readily available to grow in your garden or pot.  HFS my have the dry version of the herb.  I certainly have not seen them in the spice racks of the supermarkets.  

It is a neutral in my Swami.




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In the US the easiest way to get Epazote is to go to Mexican food stores (dried most often, but fresh sometimes). Where I see fresh epazote most often is at flea markets which draw a large Hispanic population.


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try some with melted cheese from your swami!


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Hopefully a straightforward yummy little one:

In Typebase & GT                 In Australia common name
Asian Pear (PYRUS PYRIFOLIA)     = Nashi Pear (Pyrus Pyrifolia)

http://www.daleysfruit.com.au/fruit%20pages/nashi.htm


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