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I found enoki mushrooms in Woolies yesterday. That was a good start for me. Possibly maitake are seasonal. Please let me know if you see any, anywhere, as most of my mushrooms are only neutral with the exception of maitake and enoki, and I really want to use them.



Glad to hear that, hope they are yummy.  Will keep my eyes peeled  


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Brazilian (Surinam) cherries are not related to regular cherries.

They are in the Myrtle family (along with cloves, guava, feijoa, allspice, and eucalyptus).

Cherries are in the Rose family (along with plums, peaches, almonds, and apricots).


Given this I think you have to consider them as neutral (unrated) and not a black dot.


Sorry for the delay, catching up on things now.  Thanks for that info C_Sharp!  They are nice in moderation, taste a bit like cherries only sharper, not a major food so I don't think we have to ask Dr D to test them.  
Some people use lemon myrtle in cooking here, the leaves taste like really strong lemon, (they keep the mozzies away too  ). Amazing how many foods from natures garden. Though more foods makes our and Dr job a bit harder!  (also not a major food).  There would be thousands of items of bush tucker from Australia that aren't tested.




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Heres something that might be worth looking at team.

Typebase Grouper - SERRANIDAE SPP.

First of all I just found out that SPP is an abreviation for species (plural form)

When I looked for Serranidae in the CSIRO spreadsheet I found all these matches of fish in the same family. We need to confirm with NAP whether they can be considered a type of Grouper, considering that the scientific name for Grouper on the Typebase is a generic one.

Aus / NZ name           Scientific Name
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Sorry me again, back on the fish topic.
Good research Cristina finding equivalents and updating the lists, thank you.

Jumari, great research thanks.  Excited to think that all those fish could be sorted at once.

Have done some more research on it.

Just looked up the species wikipedia page at [url][/url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species (we all may need to bone up on the Order / Family / Genus / Species heirarchy)

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The authors use "spp." as a short way of saying that something applies to many species within a genus, but do not wish to say that it applies to all species within that genus. If scientists mean that something applies to all species within a genus, they use the genus name without the specific epithet.


So, SPP is an abbreviation for Genus group and refers to some but not all species under it.  However, Serranidae (Sea basses: groupers and fairy basslets) is a Family and not a Genus.

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Serranidae is a large family of fishes, belonging to the order Perciformes. The family contains about 450 species of serranids in 64 genera, including the sea basses and the groupers (subfamily Epinephelinae). From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serranidae


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Subfamilies Anthiinae, Epinephelinae (tribes Epinephelini, Niphonini, Liopropomatini, Diploprioni, Grammistini) and Serraninae (Ref. 39231)from http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?id=289


Wikipedia page for Grouper is handy.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grouper  Says in Australia they are called Gropers.  It lists some of the species as well.  

On TypeBase it lists some examples, unfortunately they aren't all from Epinephelinae Genus.

Why couldn't they put all the groupers together in one Genus - that would be too easy?!  We may have to check each fish on Jumari's list to see if they are classified as Groupers and then we could assume they fall under the Typebase.  

Got to go childminding and housework calls!  Bit by bit we'll get there.


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Aren't I silly, all that research yesterday and I was just confirming everything Jumari researched, sorry mate.

Here's a quick easy, and not so long one.  Our rockmelon = Typebase Cantaloupe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cantaloupeg


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As sent to Dr D via e-mail:
TypeBase Fish and SeaFood Choices Summary No 2
             
Typebase AU/NZ Equivalent Comments
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) (Haliotidae)Abalone,Blacklip(rubra),brownlip  (conicopora) or Greenlip (laevigata)      (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99
Anchovies (Engralis Mordax ) canned AnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only (Engraulis encrasicolus)
Atlantic Cod(Gadus morhua) Atlantic CodSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Atlantic Salmon(Samo Salar) Atlantic Salmon
Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda )Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda ) Choose Only young  barracuda, See  Reply
Bluefish (Pomatomus saltatrix) TaylorSeafood Services Australia See  Reply 153
Bullhead(Ictalurus Nebulosus) NZ Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus) NIWA Atlas of NZ Reply 157
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
Carp(Cyprinus carpio) European CarpSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Chinook Salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha )Chinook Salmon
Herrings/Atlantic (Clupea Harengus Harengus) HerringsCaabTaxon code 37 085790 - Reply 156
Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus) Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus)
Mackerel,Spanish (Scomber commerson) Spaniards/Spanish Mackerel, (Scomberomorus commerson)
Mahi Mahi (Coryphaena hippurus) Mahi mahi/ dolphinfish
Monkfish (Lophius Americanus ) Speckled Stargazer (Kathetostoma canaster) Replies 180, 186
Pollock (Pollachius Virens) ColeyCaabTaxon code 37 226796 Reply 162
ScrodYoung Cod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
Shrimp     Prawn
Silver PerchSilver PerchReply 133
Swordfish (xiphias gladius) Swordfish
Yellow Perch Murray Golden Perch/Yellowbelly
Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares) Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares)




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I have been working behind the scenes and came up with a few additions for the equivalent table as posted above.  
These are some of the changes:

Atlantic Salmon:
Added Atlantic Salmon, same for both US and AU/NZ
Barracuda:
Changed Barracuda: Both the US and the Australian especies are the same, the catch is in the age of the fish:  we are recommended to eat the young only.  Barracudas as they grow old they accumulate toxins and should be avoided. Find evidence all over the net.  Will post in detail later.
Chinook Salmon:
Added it to the list. It is the same for both hemispheres.
Atlantic Mackerel:
Same for both hemispheres
Spanish Mackerel:
Same for both hemispheres, here we also use the coloquial term of Spaniards.
Check this cool website about it, nice pics (of course, they are from the Sunshine Coast) :
http://www.swanboathire.com.au.....h-february-2009.html
Mahi Mahi
Added.  Same for both we also called them dolphinfish.
Monkfish
Yes! Finally find an equivalent. I even phoned one of the local fisheries to confirm if we had any in Australia and what could be called.  I received my reply today and located this website:
For those who hate reading long articles, skip to the second paragraph under Commercial Fishing where it refers to Monkfish:
http://www.reefwatch.asn.au/pages/bin/view/Publications/SamsccURANOSCOPIDAE
Yellowfin Tuna and Swordfish
Both added as per Jenny's list and both the same US and Southern hemisphere.
Yellow Perch
It is the wonderful Murray yellowbelly, it is a freshwater perch, as per typebase, one of many around. I gather it is near enough to the northern Yellow Perch.  We can always take it out if you do not agree.

I have noticed you all have been very busy with your research, do not feel sorry for doubling up. It works as a double checking.

Ok this is the equivalent fish table I e-mailed to Dr D.  I have also included a few non equivalent fishes like:
Blue Grenadier/ Hoki
Barramundi
Blue Eye Cod/ blue eye trevalla
Blue warehou
Australian Bonito
Calamari
Coral trout

That Hoki Poki thing, it turns out it is a Southern Hake, Blue Grenadier to be precise.  So for better or for worse, Hoki is a Hake (but it may not be an equal Hake)  

Also, I have cc Jenny with my e-mail to Dr D, so there is a second record of it, besides posting here the exact table in 178.

Back to do some digesting of all this info ..,.




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I will not change the post with the info sent to Dr D, hence, I am duplicating the table here to keep updating it:  

TypeBase Fish and SeaFood Choices Summary No 3
             
Typebase AU/NZ Equivalent Comments
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) Paua ((Haliotidae Iris) NZ only - Reply 99
Abalone (Haliotus Tuberculata ) (Haliotidae)Abalone,Blacklip(rubra),brownlip  (conicopora) or Greenlip (laevigata)      (ex Muttonfish ) - Reply 99
Anchovies (Engralis Mordax ) canned AnchoviesChoose the canned european variety only (Engraulis encrasicolus)
Atlantic Cod(Gadus morhua) Atlantic CodSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Atlantic Salmon(Samo Salar) Atlantic Salmon
Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda )Barracuda (Sphyraena Barracuda ) Choose Only young  barracuda, See  Reply
Bluefish (Pomatomus saltatrix) TaylorSeafood Services Australia See  Reply 153
Bullhead(Ictalurus Nebulosus) NZ Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus) NIWA Atlas of NZ Reply 157
ButterfishButterfishBanded Scat, Barred Scat, Butterfish, John Dory, Johnny Dory, Old Maid, Southern Butter-fish, Striped Butterfish. See warning on Reply 68 about toxic substitutes
Carp(Cyprinus carpio) European CarpSeafood Services Australia Reply 153
Chinook Salmon (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha )Chinook Salmon
Herrings/Atlantic (Clupea Harengus Harengus) HerringsCaabTaxon code 37 085790 - Reply 156
Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus) Mackerel,Atlantic (Scomber scombrus)
Mackerel,Spanish (Scomber commerson) Spaniards/Spanish Mackerel, (Scomberomorus commerson)
Mahi Mahi (Coryphaena hippurus) Mahi mahi/ dolphinfish
Monkfish (Lophius Americanus ) Speckled Stargazer (Kathetostoma canaster
Pollock (Pollachius Virens) ColeyCaabTaxon code 37 226796 Reply 162
ScrodYoung Cod FilletsTaken from UK version of Swami
ShadRiver HerringsTaken from UK version of Swami
Shrimp     Prawn
Silver PerchSilver PerchReply 133
Swordfish (xiphias gladius) Swordfish
Yellow Perch Murray Golden Perch/Yellowbelly
Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares) Yellowfin Tuna (Thunnus Albacares)




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Added River Herring to Shad as per my post no 84 and GheeWhiz post no. 96.

Doing some catching up here ...




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Aren't I silly, all that research yesterday and I was just confirming everything Jumari researched, sorry mate.

Here's a quick easy, and not so long one.  Our rockmelon = Typebase Cantaloupe


Actually what you call a rockmelon is what I think in typebase and SWAMI terminology is called a "Musk Melon".  Rock Melon/Musk Melon is Cucumis melo reticulatus, This melon is called a cantaloupe in the US.  Type base entry is:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?255

What is called cantaloupe in SWAMI and Typebase is a type of melon that is rare in the US but available in Europe. It is a Cucumis melo cantalupensis. Type base entry is: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?91

They may seem to be similar but for me one is superfood and the other is an avoid.





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Actually what you call a rockmelon is what I think in typebase and SWAMI terminology is called a "Musk Melon".  Rock Melon/Musk Melon is Cucumis melo reticulatus, This melon is called a cantaloupe in the US.  Type base entry is:  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?255

What is called cantaloupe in SWAMI and Typebase is a type of melon that is rare in the US but available in Europe. It is a Cucumis melo cantalupensis. Type base entry is: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?91

They may seem to be similar but for me one is superfood and the other is an avoid.





Thanks C_Sharp, you are partially right.  This website clearly explains the different melons for sale in aussieland.  I see if I can find something else for NZ or our NZ researches will tune in with their input.

To make it easier, I am reproducing the relevant extract from the link:

quote
Melons can be grouped into four different types:

Watermelons: There’s an astounding array of sizes and flesh colours (yellow, white, orange and red), and the freakish Japanese square watermelons grown in boxes to make their shape more storage friendly.

Winter melons: The best known is the honeydew as it is prime in late autumn and the only type that continues to ripen after picking.

Muskmelons: Also known as netted melons, these include rockmelons, and are distinguished by their netted skin and usually orange flesh.

Cantaloupe melons: Similar to muskmelons but with a smooth skin. There are various types – Charentais, Ogen and Galia – all small in size with flesh ranging in colour from green and white to orange.
unquote

And this is the link:

http://www.homehints.com.au/se.....6BrJ0CFR5HagodNjRqjA


Thanks for helping us C_Sharp  

I am updating relevant tables




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Ghee Whiz...no need to apologize. I'm glad to see that we are on the same page.

Botton line is that if the scientific name on the typebase for Grouper is SERRANIDAE SPP and Serranidae SPP is a name used for a family, which includes all the fish I listed previously. Does this mean that all those fish on the list can be considered Groupers? Serranidaes are also considered as a variety of Rock Cods. See the CSIRO listing.

I think your reasearch was outstanding and like you say it refers to a family and not a genus.

One thing is for sure, if it hasn't been done yet. We should include Groper spelt without a "u" to the UK list, if it isn't already there.

Cristina, great work on the final typebase submitted.

Ghee Whiz, heres a question that is right down your alley according to your name. Does Ghee have to be refrigirated? The thing is that it is so hard to spread when I put it in the fridge. When I leave it out, it spreads like butter. I read somewhere that ghee is butter that goes through a special process where the milk solids are removed. If so, would it still go off?
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Heres another confirmed discovery.

Monkfish are also known as Stargazers.

Stargazer     Uranoscopidae - undifferentiated
monkfish     Uranoscopidae - undifferentiated

We went to a fish shop and the asked about the Stargazer fish. The owner said, in actual fact they are also know as Monkfish, its written on the box. Sure enough after checking the CSIRO list there it is.
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TypeBase Food Choices Summary No4                                                                                                                        
Typebase AU/NZ EquivalentComments
Meats
Poultry
Cornish HenSpring chickenYoung chicken,male or female
Eggs/Roe
Dairy Products
Vegetable Proteins
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Fats and Oils
Carbohydrates
Live Foods
ArugulaRocketTaken from UK version of Swami
BeetBeet RootsTaken from UK version of Swami
Beet GreensBeetroot GreensTaken from UK version of Swami
EscaroleBroad Leaf EndiveTaken from UK version of Swami and replies 84,208,209,210,212
Mushroom/ChampignonWhite Mushroomsincl canned champignons, fresh button mushrooms, flat whites - Reply 139,145
Romaine LettuceCos Lettuce
RutagabaSweedesIs the yellow parsnip
ZucchiniZucchiniCourgette in UK version of Swami
Fruits
Melon, CantaloupeCantaloupe MelonsReply 184, 188
Melon, MuskHoneydew, RockmelonsReply 184,188
PapayaPapaw,PawPaw or PapayaCommon Australian paw paw
Paw PawPoor Mans BananaA member of custard apple plant
Currant Red/BlackBlackcurrant/RedcurrantNot the grape variety
Litchi/Litchi nutsLychees/dry Lycheesdry=Lychee stones in UK version of Swami
Orange     Orange
OrangeTangerine in Nepal only (check Kumar post below)
TangerineMandarin/Tangerine
Spices
CilantroCorianderThe  herb
CorianderCoriander Seeds The  seeds
Beverages
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Closure on the Melons:

Typebase Musk Melons = AU/NZ Honeydew and Rockmelons
Typebase Cantaloupe Melons = AU/NZ Cantaloupe Melons





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Cristina, thanks for updating the lists and all your great research, glad to see so many more fish equivalents!  Though, there are a couple of typos on the TypeBase Food Choices Summary No4 - Zuccini should be Zucchini and Courguette should be courgette (I never knew how to properly spell zucchini either - quite the scrabble word)

C_Sharp and Cristina thanks for filling out the research on melons, I see why you are called sharp C_Sharp! or is that a musical name?

Thanks Jumari - monkfish and stargazers, and Grouper and Groper spotting - good job.  They sound like guru swami fish  
Ghee doesn't have to be refridgerated as it is pure oil with no dairy products left.  So long as you don't accidentally add water to it (use clean spoon) and the jar was sterilised before you put the ghee in there.  Check http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070706153209AAHharj

About the Gropers (Groupers), I reckon, like it said on the wikipedia Grouper page, if they're in the Serranidae family (also includes sea basses) in Epinephelus and Mycteroperca genera they are Groupers.
Epinephelus genus see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epinephelus (includes Nassau grouper and Red Grouper mentioned on Typebase under Grouper Mixed Species http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?184)
Mycteroperca genus see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycteroperca
(includes Black Grouper, Yellowfin (yellowmouth) grouper mentioned in Typebase).

I don't think we can say that all the fish in one Genus are alright, though.  We should check each one on Typebase to make sure they aren't poisonous first. So as long as they aren't poiosonous and they are in Epinephelus and Mycteroperca genera they are fair game under Grouper mixed species.  Do you agree?  



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Wonderful work folks!
May I just add that grouper/groper is also known as garupa in Asia?


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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Wonderful work folks!
May I just add that grouper/groper is also known as garupa in Asia?


Hi Squirrel and thanks for droping in.  We have a wonderful team working here and now includes you too.  Welcome and thanks for your contribution!!
We will include that on the table once we finalize the groping     




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Botton line is that if the scientific name on the typebase for Grouper is SERRANIDAE SPP and Serranidae SPP is a name used for a family, which includes all the fish I listed previously. Does this mean that all those fish on the list can be considered Groupers? Serranidaes are also considered as a variety of Rock Cods. See the CSIRO listing.


Although the Serranidae family includes many other variety of fishes (Rockcods, etc), the following description from Grouper Typebase makes me think that we should only concentrate on the Seabass variety.

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The most popular members of this sea bass family are the black grouper, Nassau grouper, red grouper and yellowmouth (also called yellowfin ) grouper.
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One thing is for sure, if it hasn't been done yet. We should include Groper spelt without a "u" to the UK list, if it isn't already there.



It is not there.  In the UK version of Swami, Groper is spelled Grouper, like Typebase. Once we put it in the equivalent table for us, we will make sure that Groper is also used.

Once again, great work guys!!  We are making great progress!!  




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Hi Squirrel and thanks for droping in.  We have a wonderful team working here and now includes you too.  Welcome and thanks for your contribution!!
We will include that on the table once we finalize the groping     

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On the subject of fish, while groping around, I came across this very useful website particularly regarding ways to cook your fish to retain the most nutrients.

Healthy reading:

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Fish

back to groping in the dark ...  




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Closure on the Melons:

Typebase Musk Melons = AU/NZ Honeydew and Rockmelons
Typebase Cantaloupe Melons = AU/NZ Cantaloupe Melons

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Maybe I should go back and study the last few entries, but which of the above would you say are commonly sold in Australia, as I have always used rockmelon/cantaloupe as interchangeable semantics based on geography rather than type?  



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Maybe I should go back and study the last few entries, but which of the above would you say are commonly sold in Australia, as I have always used rockmelon/cantaloupe as interchangeable semantics based on geography rather than type?  


What typebase calls a cantaloupe is not what most people call a cantaloupe.  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?91

What most people call a cantaloupe or rock melon is a "musk melon" in typebase.  http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?255

Typebase also has an entry for honeydew. It is easily distinguished  because it has green flesh (A normal musk melon has orange flesh). I am not sure if this is what you call a honeydew in Australia. Honeydew is the common term in the US. Typebase entry for this melon: http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?201


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On the subject of fish, while groping around, I came across this very useful website particularly regarding ways to cook your fish to retain the most nutrients.

Healthy reading:

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Fish

back to groping in the dark ...  


Jenny, it is only the last couple of posts that this came about. Check the above website link.  I have seen around here melons listed as Rockmelons and also as Canteloupe, but of course I have not payed attention if they were making reference to the same type (I was not interested in any possible differences then).  But, the site is an Australian website, therefore, it must be right?  




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On the subject of Grouper/Groper:

I am going around in circles on the internet, I think I am starting to have Cyberspace motion sickness!  

So, I contacted the higher authorities in the subject (Seafood Services Australia) and invited them to tune in if possible or send me some suggestions via e-mail.

Hopefully, they will be helpful.




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Good idea Cristina to ask the authorities.  Hopefully they might say that if the common name includes "groper/grouper" then it can grope away!  That's one approach and then check each fish on fishbase to see if they're toxic.  

I'd give this one a miss for instance, http://www.fishbase.org/Summar.....peciesname=maculatus Spotted coralgrouper it has a Reports of ciguatera poisoning.  Did some research on Ciguatera poisoning:

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Ciguatera is a form of food poisoning. It is caused by eating those warm ocean water finfish that carry ciguatera poison..... What type of finfish cause poisoning.
There are no specific rules that can be followed to detect ciguatera carrying fish. Fish that live in warm ocean waters are potential carriers of ciguatera toxin. Fish like chinaman, red bass and paddle tail have, in the past, been involved in a large number of ciguatera poisonings and seafood marketers sell little of them. Today problems are encountered with coral trout, spanish mackeral, red emperor, reef cods and others like wrasse, trevally and kingfish.http://www.vmrgladstone.org.au/ciguatera.html


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Mackerel caught around mid October in Australia are a classic cause of the condition, as are some Great Barrier Reef and semi-pelagic saltwater fish including red bass, chinamanfish (chinaman cod), paddle tail, snapper, spanish mackerel, moray eels, wrasse, trigger fish, and queenfish. Even coral trout has been incriminated as an occasional carrier. http://www.fishingcairns.com.au/page8-2.html

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Symptoms are worse if you drink while eating the fish.  Surprised there's anyone left here!

The large Barracudas are also susceptible to this poisoning, this all fits with everyone's research before.

You can bet this is a reason why Dr D recommends more cold water fish not warm water reef fish!


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