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Jenny
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Also, Dr D, in my search over the internet for Hoki fish, I came across a couple of links that seem to indicate that Hoki was included in your evaluations, but it is not listed in Typebase and it does not seem to list in our Swamis...?
Hoki is the one fish that is very affordable here in NZ so I buy it a lot...Its also a wonderful fish & has a mild to non "flavour" & a nice texture... so really hope it is good for type O's...

Thanks heaps Cristina & all you others for all your work... (didn't  want to individually list you all, in case I forgot someone )  

I don't know where I got the following information, but I suspect that Hoki may be the same as Hake.




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Jenny, it looks like you survived the 'custard apple' experiment.  Have you tried them yet?  I have not seen any custard apples a the local shops yet, maybe it is too early, late?




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Ladies, I've downloaded the Excell (xls) version of the CSIRO Fish list found on the link below and managed to find these matches so far. They have the same scientific name.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list


US Name (BTD)     Scientific Name               Aussie Equivalent

BLUEFISH                     POMATOMUS SALTATRIX      Tailor
CARP                        CYPRINUS CARPIO              European Carp
COD / ATLANTIC     GADUS MORHUA              Atlantic Cod


Also found that these are not the same fish;

(From BTD Typebase)
CATFISH     (ICTALURUS FURCATUS)
CHUB (KYPHOSUS LEMBUS)

not the same as the Australian variety;

Catfish (Arius spp)  or Freshwater Catfish - (Tandanus tandanus)
Chub Mackerel     (Scomber japonicus)

Let me know if you require further research. I will continue on with Scientific name matching with the rest of the BTD typebase. I also have a list of fish on the typebase that have no Austrailian counterpart, based on Scientific name.

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Well Done Jumari!


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I don't know where I got the following information, but I suspect that Hoki may be the same as Hake.
Thanks Jenny...

Conveniently, one of my husband's colleagues has just left to take up a position with NZ Fisheries...so I may be able to source info from him in the furture re NZ species...
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Jenny, it looks like you survived the 'custard apple' experiment.  Have you tried them yet?  I have not seen any custard apples a the local shops yet, maybe it is too early, late?


I suspect that they are summer tropical fruits, but I am keeping a look out. But the more I use the PawPaw in the cans that I mentioned earlier, the more I can taste a custard apple flavour. Which makes me think that the cans at least are genuine PawPaw, and not papaya. Which would be wonderful if true.




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Research Herrings:
I have updated the equivalent fish table with Typebase Herrings, same in Australia.

Also, I have removed the country column and added scientific names to the summary.  Trying to pack as much useful info on these summaries as we can.

Jenny, I will be chasing those pawpaw tins on my next trip to the health shop.

Jumari, I have updated the equivalent fish summary with your info from reply 152.  Great work!!

Posum, we are looking forward to official reports from you backed up by Fisheries officials ...

Keep up the good work everyone, continue doing research behind the scenes and posting here your findings.  




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Jumari, Possum,

I may have found a NZ equivalent for the Bullhead (catfish) according to this report from UNIDATA:

http://unidata.com.au/rc/freshwater/fishatlas/species/catfish

and this from the Australian Society:

http://www.asfb.org.au/pubs/2003/2003nz-13.htm#TopOfPage

So I am adding this Bullhead to the equivalent table.  




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I can use any Excel type spreadsheet. Just two columns: Current SWAMI name and Australian/NZ terminology.

Can send to peter@dadamo.com *

* Before anybody gets any funny ideas, I almost never check this email


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I can use any Excel type spreadsheet. Just two columns: Current SWAMI name and Australian/NZ terminology.

Can send to peter@dadamo.com *

* Before anybody gets any funny ideas, I almost never check this email


Cristina, could I nominate you to do this task please as you would probably have the most up to date collection of our information?




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there is a thread on Live Right for an A type who is in Brisbane. Lola gave out the address of a naturopath on the Gold Coast who may be helpful.

David Bridgeman:
07 5570 1171 at Surfers Paradise. Spark of
Life Health Centers



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Research on Pollock:

US = Pollock
AU/NZ = Coley
Same scientific name for both: Pollachius virens

Australia Caab taxon report no: 37 226796

Pollock goes to the equivalent fish table.  




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Cristina, could I nominate you to do this task please as you would probably have the most up to date collection of our information?



Ok Jenny, Obviously Dr D only wants the equivalent table which is still a work in progress.  I will create the spreadsheet with those two columns and send it over to him.  I may also add at the bottom all those other fishes from this thread and your list that do not have equivalent in Typebase.  Hopefully he will not think I am too cheeky!!  





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Where did you see Maitake mushrooms? I've been looking for them for years!!!



Hi Jenny,

It may have been part of an asian special at ALDI.  So it's not available all the time.  It would be at the asian speciality shop though.

HOKI AND HAKE

As far as Hoki being Hake it is known as blue hake.  Cristina's added it to the non-equivalent table at 112:

Hoki     Macruronus novaezelandiae      Australia,NewZealand     Blue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7

The scientific name is not in typebase and is different to the Hake in Typebase (UROPHYCIS TENUIS) http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?192

Hake is my maiden surname!  Fishy hey!


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So I guess Sea Bream must have been added later but not put in Typebase and could be many species of fish!!  

Cannot say if this is the Sea Bream listed in the GTD unfortunately.  Can say I've had no bad effects from eating it though!


I wonder if we can find out the scientific name of the Sea Bream that is in SWAMI.  Since they do such extensive research on the food items that information is probably on a database somewhere?


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Heres something that might be worth looking at team.

Typebase Grouper - SERRANIDAE SPP.

First of all I just found out that SPP is an abreviation for species (plural form)

When I looked for Serranidae in the CSIRO spreadsheet I found all these matches of fish in the same family. We need to confirm with NAP whether they can be considered a type of Grouper, considering that the scientific name for Grouper on the Typebase is a generic one.

Aus / NZ name           Scientific Name
Bar Rockcod     Epinephelus ergastularius & Epinephelus septemfasciatus
Barramundi Cod     Cromileptes altivelis
Blacktip Rockcod     Epinephelus fasciatus
Coral Cod     Cephalopholis spp
Coral Trout     Plectropomus spp & Variola spp
Duskytail Grouper     Epinephelus bleekeri
Goldspotted Rockcod     Epinephelus coioides
Grouper                      Epinephelus spp
Longfin Perch     Caprodon longimanus
Longfin Rockcod     Epinephelus quoyanus
Maori Rockcod     Epinephelus undulatostriatus
Rankin Cod     Epinephelus multinotatus
Rockcod                      Aethaloperca & Anyperodon spp
Sixbar Grouper     Epinephelus sexfasciatus
Wirrah                      Acanthistius spp
Yellowspotted Rockcod     Epinephelus areolatus

Spreadsheet of CSIRO Australian Marine species available here;
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.fish_names_list

BTW...Barramundi Cod is not to be confused with

Barramundi     Lates calcarifer     Centropomidae (giant perches)
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Heres something that might be worth looking at team.

...
Barramundi Cod     Cromileptes altivelis
BTW...Barramundi Cod is not to be confused with
....
Barramundi     Lates calcarifer     Centropomidae (giant perches)


Jumari, have you checked reply 114?  




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Hi Jenny,

It may have been part of an asian special at ALDI.  So it's not available all the time.  It would be at the asian speciality shop though.

HOKI AND HAKE

As far as Hoki being Hake it is known as blue hake.  Cristina's added it to the non-equivalent table at 112:

Hoki     Macruronus novaezelandiae      Australia,NewZealand     Blue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7

The scientific name is not in typebase and is different to the Hake in Typebase (UROPHYCIS TENUIS) http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?192

Hake is my maiden surname!  Fishy hey!


Hake was my maternal grandmother's surname...so maybe you and I are related? My sister has all our family trees dated back for yonks, so you could be interested in that if you wish.




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Cristina...The barramundi bit was not what I was referring to. It was the Grouper sharing the same scientific family name as all the other fish on my list.

The barramundi cod comment was just a note to avoid confusion.
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Hake was my maternal grandmother's surname...so maybe you and I are related? My sister has all our family trees dated back for yonks, so you could be interested in that if you wish.



That's amazing, since we're on a forum talking about fish here!  
My grandparents including my father emigrated over from Somerset UK when my Dad was a little boy.  There aren't many Hakes around, most of my rellies are in WA, some in Darwin, or UK.  Was your Grandmother English?

In my previous job admissions for international students, I found that Japanese people like the Hake surname as a symbol for strength.  If someone was called Shark they'd like that too!  

P.S.  Thinking again I may have seen Maitake in Woolworths veggie section sometime?  sorry can't remember


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So Hoki/Hake is the same as Blue Grenadier?? The latter sounds much more upmarket than Hoki or Hake!!!
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That's amazing, since we're on a forum talking about fish here!  
My grandparents including my father emigrated over from Somerset UK when my Dad was a little boy.  There aren't many Hakes around, most of my rellies are in WA, some in Darwin, or UK.  Was your Grandmother English?

In my previous job admissions for international students, I found that Japanese people like the Hake surname as a symbol for strength.  If someone was called Shark they'd like that too!  

P.S.  Thinking again I may have seen Maitake in Woolworths veggie section sometime?  sorry can't remember


I found enoki mushrooms in Woolies yesterday. That was a good start for me. Possibly maitake are seasonal. Please let me know if you see any, anywhere, as most of my mushrooms are only neutral with the exception of maitake and enoki, and I really want to use them.




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So Hoki/Hake is the same as Blue Grenadier?? The latter sounds much more upmarket than Hoki or Hake!!!


Careful if you are you insulting my previous surname or Jenny's Grandmothers?  I might have to do the hoki poki on you!  


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Careful if you are you insulting my previous surname or Jenny's Grandmothers?  I might have to do the hoki poki on you!  
   I didn't think of that angle on it
Now "Hoki Poki" is a whole different "kettle of fish" over here... Its NZ's fave icecream only its called "Hokey Pokey"

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