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I shall offer my body to science, and test custard apple whilst repeating the mantra---this is the same as american pawpaw. I will report back (if I survive the experiment).
Excellent progress on this thread, thanks Cristina and everyone.



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Research on Barracuda:

Typebase warn us that the great barracuda that grows to about 100pds has toxic flesh, so it should be avoided, but the scientific name cited is precisely the one for the great ocen barracuda, both in US or Australia!

The description though seems to indicate that a smaller barracuda fish of not more than 4 to 8 pounds is the one to eat.  I wonder if this is the Barracudina? The pacific or indian pacific barracudina?
http://www.marine.csiro.au/caabsearch/caab_search.caab_report?spcode=37126006&frames=Y

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Ribbon-Barracudina-Arctozenus-risso-Bonaparte-1840/




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I can see now why the Aussie Moonfish is not the same as the American halfmoon fish.

http://www.hooklinesinker.tv/gallery/2009/16_moonfish.jpg

Thats one we can eliminate.
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Jumari,  do you want to take that one on and post here your research?

It looks like a little devil, doesn t it?




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Cristina...Being of an A bloodtype as yourself. Fish is our main source of protein. And because of our location, the list we have is cut in less than half. My immediate goal, is to hopefully expand that list to have more options and remove those that are just adding to the confusion. We can take on the entire Australian fish species list (some of which are inedible) or look into the fish that are readily available at most fish shops.

Just yesterday, I noticed that they had Spanish Mackarel fillets for sale. I hadn't seen them here before. That and a whole bonito. I'm just hoping that we can prioritize on the edible fish and then continue on with the rest afterwards. There is perch, snapper, red snapper, blue eyed cod and  ocean trout that I'm currently avoiding because I don't know whether they are the same as the american variety.

One thing for sure. I do miss eating prawns, they are so easy to cook and find. Not to mention crab. Maybe next lifetime.
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Barracuda Research:

I am coming to the conclusion that the equivalent of the small barracuda cited in the typebase is the australian Snook or      Sphyraena novaehollandiae

Check this fishnames website for snook entry:

http://fishnames.net.au/fishna.....=standard&search

I think we can put this in the equivalent table.  




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Cristina...Being of an A bloodtype as yourself. Fish is our main source of protein. And because of our location, the list we have is cut in less than half. My immediate goal, is to hopefully expand that list to have more options and remove those that are just adding to the confusion. We can take on the entire Australian fish species list (some of which are inedible) or look into the fish that are readily available at most fish shops.

Just yesterday, I noticed that they had Spanish Mackarel fillets for sale. I hadn't seen them here before. That and a whole bonito. I'm just hoping that we can prioritize on the edible fish and then continue on with the rest afterwards. There is perch, snapper, red snapper, blue eyed cod and  ocean trout that I'm currently avoiding because I don't know whether they are the same as the american variety.

One thing for sure. I do miss eating prawns, they are so easy to cook and find. Not to mention crab. Maybe next lifetime.


I agree, just go with the fish that we see in our fishmongers; my list was based on winter fish in the Canberra markets, so clearly there are far more all over the country, and with the change of season; that is why it is so good that many of us are taking an interest in this issue.
Jumari to eat prawns and crabs, what species do you think you will need to be reborn as?





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How about we take all these local fishes and place them in a table indicating, common name, scientific name (if known), Location (Qld, Tassie, NSW, NZ ...) and a pointer to the testimonials indicating the number of the particular replies that recommended these fishes.  Then people will look for their local fish and be able to quickly find who has been eating them and if there have been any bad reactions to it or not.

The table could look something like this:
Non TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 1
Common Name   Scientific Name   Location   Testimonials  
Fish and seafood
Fishweird nameqld, tassieReply xx,yy,zz

We will not be saying this is good for ABO type A, or B or GT Teacher or Gatherer or others, but we will be striving to include in our replies as much information about our unique composition as possible.  Posting, I ate it, I like it will be good to know, but adding the other extra info that make us to be us, will be better.  We may then be able to spot a trend, without specifically recommending it is good for this or that ABO, after all we are no doctors and this is not a doctor supervised trial.  Everything is done at our own risk for the good of the community, with the best intentions and with a lot of fun!!


Jenny, Jumari, GW or others, will you like to start that table here? or do you want me to?  Either way I do not mind.  Team work, team work ...




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Just yesterday, I noticed that they had Spanish Mackarel fillets for sale. I hadn't seen them here before. That and a whole bonito. I'm just hoping that we can prioritize on the edible fish and then continue on with the rest afterwards. There is perch, snapper, red snapper, blue eyed cod and  ocean trout that I'm currently avoiding because I don't know whether they are the same as the american variety.

One thing for sure. I do miss eating prawns, they are so easy to cook and find. Not to mention crab. Maybe next lifetime.


DH loves those praws and crab too, but so far he is using this lifestime to enjoy it, although I think he is a Teacher ...

Did you ended up buying any of those fishes? or are they toxins in your swami?  The spanish one is a neutral in mine, I do not have bonito ???




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I'm not a very good cook but yesterday my partner taught me how to foil / wrap fish and oven bake them for just 20 minutes. We had a fillet of Barramundi (not tested) and Ocean Perch (not yet matched). Tastewise, the Barra was way better with just Olive oil and Garlic. I'm taking a gamble with that one but I don't think its a bottom feeder or oily fish.

Its good to know that John Dory is out for A's. By the look of the Ling Ling, that one looks suspiciously like a bottom feeder too as it is flat ugly thing with strange whiskers. The sort of thing you find at the bottom.

Spanish Mackarel was a good find. But it doesn't seem to be in the Typebase. But it is in Swami. And guess what its a black dot for me at the moment.

I have cut and paste the list of fish that Jenny found equivalents for. I hope you don't mind if I post that here. That way other Australians that come to the site can easily see them without having to ask someone for a list.

Common name  Latin name  nearest Latin name in U.S.         Common name in U.S.
Gold band snapper    lutjanidae                utjanus campechanus               nth red
Luderick (blackfish) girella tricuspidate     girella nigricans   0paleye fish                        
mullet (whole)            mugil cephalis             same flathead mullet /black mullet            
Orange roughy (deep sea perch)       hoplostethus atlanticus    same              same  
Rainbow trout   oncorhynchus mykis    same        - rainbow trout/coastrange trout                 Red snapper (fillets) (breams?)  sparidae    lutjanus campechanus         nth red snapper
Salmon tails (fillets) farmed         oncorhynchus        same     many different names      
Snapper (whole) (breams)  sparidae      lutjanus campechanus            nth red snapper  
Swordfish (steaks)     xiphias gladius                 same                     same/broadbill      
Yellowfin tuna sashimi (steaks)   thunnus albacares    same                            same    

  
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I agree, just go with the fish that we see in our fishmongers; my list was based on winter fish in the Canberra markets, so clearly there are far more all over the country, and with the change of season; that is why it is so good that many of us are taking an interest in this issue.
Jumari to eat prawns and crabs, what species do you think you will need to be reborn as?





To answer your question I think I'll stick to being human but not sure about blood type A. Which blood type has the largest selection of choices, I'll chose that one.

Looking at the above list, we haven't got many fish to chose from have we? Even after including those recent ones Cristina has added. Have any of you ever eaten Barracuda or seen it in the market?
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That is great idea Jumari, I am adding those to the list.  I have been going back to the posts and answering the earlier queries, like your Mackarel.  I find some information and in the next few minutes I will be updating the summary with the matches and of course posting my research here first.
School holidays in aussieland and have been babysitting grandkids quite a bit the last few days, so apologies if I have been a bit slow here, but I have been researching in the background and posting as I go along.  Slowly but surely we get there. Keep on posting your research as you go along, with links to where the basis of your decisions come from.   Nice to have you in the team Jumari.
That fish sounds mouth watering.  I used to eat a lot of barramandi, but not since GT, I have been eating Perch, whatever I can get too and it is OK for both DH and myself (both A+ and Swami BTD/GTD Teacher.  




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Looking at the above list, we haven't got many fish to chose from have we? Even after including those recent ones Cristina has added. Have any of you ever eaten Barracuda or seen it in the market?


All in due course, by the time we finish here there will be heaps to choose from.  Have faith ...  




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Non TypeBase Food Choices Summary No 1
Common Name   Scientific Name   Location   Testimonials  
Fish and seafood
Barramundi(Lates calcarifer) Australia,NewZealandbarra,giant Perch, aussie seabass,silver jack - Reply 108,114,117
Blue MackerelScomber australasicus Australia,NewZealandJapanece or Pacific or Spotted Mackerel, Spotted Chub - Reply 8
Blue-eyed CodHyperoglyphe antarctica Australia,NewZealandAntarctic butterfish, deepsea trevally, blue eye trevalla, - Reply 31
GoosefishLophiodes naresiAustralia,NewZealand Shortspine, Smooth and Broadhead Goosefish. Edible fish in this group may be equivalent to Monkfish Reply 26,131  
HokiMacruronus novaezelandiae Australia,NewZealandBlue Grenadier, Blue Hake, Whiptail Hake - Reply 7
GemfishRexea solandriAustralia,NewZealand Also Hake,King Couta, Kingfish, Silver Kingfish and Southern Kingfish Reply 26, 128




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Barramundi

http://www.nativefish.asn.au/barramundi.html

Some mouthwatering pictures here:

http://www.abfa.org.au/quality.html

Very popular in the aussie, NZ? cuisine, but ensure the source/supplier is reputable and it comes from clean waters.

The Wikipedia encyclopedia has the following warning:
quote
    Not to be confused with the Barramundi Cod or the Australian members of the genus Scleropages (which sometimes are referred to as Barramundis).
unquote

So I gather the one we want to eat is Perch Barramundi, or barra, or ... what else? I think I listed a few names on the summary (reply 113).




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Yes Cristina...A list of Aussie and NZ fish that have not been tested would probably also be beneficial to everyone.

I can't help but wonder how the testing phase is carried out. Does NAP just require a sample of the food and somehow mix it in with different blood samples or does it involve actual volunteers of differing blood groups that have to be tested over a period of time? Any NAP people care to give us a general description of how its done? For Example, what would be involved in testing  "Barramundi"?
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Slightly off topic, but could be helpful to Sydneysiders or Melbournians----Gina, our very helpful friend in NZ will be in Australia for the mind/body/spirit festivals soon, with some NAP samples for sale I understand. I will copy her information for those of you who want to meet her.


Quote: The Sydney MBS Festival starts on Thursday 5th November until Sunday 8th November and the Melbourne dates are Friday 19th November until Sunday 22nd November.
The website is http://www.mbsfestival.com.au



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A very big THANK YOU to Christina, Jenny, Jumari and others who are putting all this hard work into the untested fish.  

"Flake" which is a commonly used name for shark and sold as battered fish in many fish & chip shops, would I assume, be an avoid for all GT's.

The reef fish are in plenty up here in Qld., coral trout, red emperor, barra etc. I have been eating these and would not know if I should but have not noticed any obvious effects.  What would a negative effect be?  

Thanks for the currant tip...been consuming these daily for most of this year as I thought I was snacking on diamond food!        
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"Flake" which is a commonly used name for shark and sold as battered fish in many fish & chip shops, would I assume, be an avoid for all GT's.

The reef fish are in plenty up here in Qld., coral trout, red emperor, barra etc. I have been eating these and would not know if I should but have not noticed any obvious effects.  What would a negative effect be?  

Thanks for the currant tip...been consuming these daily for most of this year as I thought I was snacking on diamond food!        


Thank you too Shell, by posting your thought here it serves as a testimony for these foods.  I will add your reply to the 'Not in Typebase' table.

I was disappointed about the currant tip too.  They were part of my survival package.  It is such a convenient yummy food and also, I did not notice any adverse effects, which is to expect, because, as doctor D mentioned:

Quoted from Dr. D
The sicker we are, the more sensitive to avoids our tissues become.


So, we are definitely in the progress path when we can afford to 'enjoy' these hidden avoids without noticing ill effects (but since I pushed them to the no no pile) ...




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Hi Shells,

In my opionion, flake or shark is a neutral for some. If it is not mentioned as a superfood or toxin in your respective  Genotype fish list, its a neutral and OK to eat.

With regards to negative effects. I would say that they would vary from the obvious to the more subtle. Stomach pain, diarrhea, head aches and sometimes just lower energy levels. But wait till someone else confirms my observations before listening to me.

Good luck with your diet and welcome.
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What I want to add to the pawpaw information is that I purchased a tin of PawPaw from my organic health food store, and found on opening that the flesh is red, quite unlike most of the fruit we buy here, although red pawpaws are slowly becoming available as well. I could not differentiate this tinned fruit from the red that I enjoy fresh. The product was grown in Sri Lanka, but certified under USDA organic rules. the brand is
Bare Foods, organic PAW PAW chunks in pineapple juice. No added sugar.

So my hopeful conclusion is that Paw Paw is the red one, and papaya is the yellow one. simplistic, but hey!


Well, the second tin of the same product that I have just opened, whilst it has a picture of a red papaya on the label, turned out to be yellow, looking more like mango pieces than anything else, but, wait for it, with a slight taste of custard apple. Bingo.




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Any NAP people care to give us a general description of how its done? For Example, what would be involved in testing  "Barramundi"?


ok, you asked for it!!!  
it ain t a piece of cake!!!

Quoted Text
Dr D
1.you must have the requisite
training in immunology, hematology, biochemisty, genetics and pathophysiology.


2. Understand the cellular dynamics of ABO sufficient to develop appropriate
technique.

Understand the molecular biology and elemental cytology behind ABH secretion,
gut glycosylation and membrane dynamics. Understand the mechanics of cell
membrane manipulation techniques, such as  basic cell washing techniques, DTT
de-antigenation and membrane electrical zeta potential. Understand and
execute capably various direct and indirect antiglobulin techniques (Coombs
testing).  Possess  basic cytology/histology apparatus (incubators, cell
culture materials) to propagate organ-specific cell lines.

3. Capably and reliably execute various ABO related serological techniques.


Understand and perform capably saline titration of anti A, anti-B and anti-AB
IgM antibodies with serum titer determination. Comprehend and perform
capably anti-A and anti-B IgG1-4 block (ala Kabat and Weiner) titration.

4. Develop proper extraction technique for lectins and other biologically
active food constituents.

Have access to an research grade electrophoresis device and understand
capably the techniques of gel immunoelectrophoresis and immuno-diffusion.
Possess a full range of cell growth adjuvants that allow in vitro lectins to
behave as in biological conditions.  Perform and understand various techniques
of lymphocyte blastogenesis and mitogen studies.  Undertand lectin
specificities and competitive inhibition techniques involving blocking sugars.





Now, on top of eveything else, do this for a minimum of five years.  Shorter
than that and I'm probably not going to believe your results.


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ok, you asked for it!!!  
it ain t a piece of cake!!!



And this is for BTD.

Even more factors are considered in rating foods for GenoType and SWAMI diets.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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In other words a diploma in Rocket Science. Thanks for the explanation, I truly appreciate it. Where does that leave the humble Barramundi though? Can we send you one so we can maybe have results 5 years from now?
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Where does that leave the humble Barramundi though?


you know the drill.....any unlisted food treat as neutral.....etc, etc


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