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Cilantro vs Coriander.

Doing a search on the internet, makes these as equivalent, yet there might be a difference because my Swami, places Cilantro as a Diamond food and Coriander as a Neutral!!

Can we get Cilantro in Australia?

I am answering my own question here after posting above.  

The answer is yes,  under the name Coriander.  Doing a search by using the botanical name as depicted in the TypeBase database, got me there.  I leave it here because I have heaps more to ask.
Warning: ignore scientific name, seems to be a typo - read on next posts ...

So Coriander in US is Vietnamese Mint in Australia
Cilantro in US is Coriander in Australia

All this is according to Botanical names as depicted in the Typebase database.  (See following posts)





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cilantro is the herb
coriander is the seed


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Lola, the typebase shows them with two different botanical names, based on that they are both different plants.  Or a typo on the database?




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Quote from: http://www.horticulture.com.au/news/default.asp?act=detail&mode=&newsid=34

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Friday, 15 April 2005  
Papaya Vs Papaw

Whats in a name? When it comes to the papaya/pawpaw/papaw debate, a lot.

Consumers have long been confused about the difference between these fruit and the fact is that while they are the same species Carica papaya, the fruit known as papaya looks and tastes quite different to the fruit known as papaw.

To make things easier for consumers the agreed understanding in the Australian industry is that the red-fleshed sweeter fruit is called red papaya, while the yellow-fleshed fruit is called yellow papaw.

American pawpaw (note the different spelling) on the other hand is an entirely different fruit not related to the tropical Carica papaya from which Australian red papaya and yellow papaw come. American pawpaw is also known as poor mans banana and is the fruit of the Asimina triloba tree.

To complicate things further, theres also green papaya, which is either red papaya or yellow papaw picked green. Green papaya is a sought after ingredient in Asian cuisine and is eaten as a vegetable.

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So
American PawPaw is an american fruit (not sure if we get it here)
American Papaya is our Papaya or red papaw, but we also have the yellow papaw.




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so papaya is papaw
and pawpaw is not papaya!!!  now we can all relax!


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Lola,
Ok the descriptions on the database are clear enough, they seem to be refering to the same plant in two different stages: seeds and plant.

But the Scientific names are different, since my confusion, so should we report it as a bug in the database?

So:

Cilantro in US is the coriander plant in Australia
Coriander in US is the Coriander seeds in Australia

I do not remember ever seeing cilantro/ seeds in the spice racks of the supermarkets here, but I have often bought coriander seeds.




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Thanks for starting this thread Cristina will put local food queries here now.

I've just been looking through Typebase for Hoki (fish) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_grenadier aka blue grenadier, blue hake, New Zealand whiptail, whiptail or whiptail hake, "Macruronus novaezelandiae".  
It is definitely not in there.  You can search by scientific name the entire website and the typebase value will come up.  Searched for Macruronus bought up nothing, so that common fish in Australia / from NZ is not listed!



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Blue Mackerel from New Zealand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_mackerel aka Japanese mackerel, Pacific mackerel, slimy mackerel, or spotted chub mackerel, "Scomber australasicus"

On Typebase only one kind of Mackerel comes up - Atlantic http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?238

In GTD book there is Spanish Mackerel mentioned as well, both are avoids for Explorers.  

I guess we can put Australian Mackerel in the same boat?


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This might be a stupid question but is a Cornish hen, American for Spring Chicken?

And the other concern of mine is the local Aussie Salmon. I have a feeling that they are mostly farmed. I couldn't believe the amount of little Salmon farms I saw in Tassie. Where else in Oz do Salmon run wild?

The other option is to eat John West canned Tuna as this is a canadian product and the Salmon is Alaskan, diamond food. But nothing beats a pan fried fillet of Salmon hey?
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This might be a stupid question but is a Cornish hen, American for Spring Chicken?
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Come on aussie come on!!  There is nothing stupid between mates!
I did not know that either.  Find this extract on the net, to confirm your suspicions:

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From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Cornish game hen ready for the oven

A Cornish game hen, also sometimes called a Cornish hen, poussin, Rock Cornish hen, or simply Rock Cornish, is a young chicken sold whole. Despite the name, it is not a game bird, but actually a typical chicken that is slaughtered at a young age and therefore is smaller in size. Though the bird is called a "hen," it can be either male or female.
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So thats a yes then. Spring Chicken = Cornish hen. I can't help but picturing the young chickens though. They didn't get to live their full lives. Same with Lamb or Veal. Oh God how cruel. They've got no chance have they? Aside from Fish, all I have is Lamb, Turkey and Cornish Chicken. Have to find one before I discover that I'm a Fat Teacher or a Mini Warrior.
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And the other concern of mine is the local Aussie Salmon. I have a feeling that they are mostly farmed. I couldn't believe the amount of little Salmon farms I saw in Tassie. Where else in Oz do Salmon run wild?


The Department of Primary Industries in Australia has this website where they give an indication that at least the Eastern Australian Salmon is found in the continental shelf water of NSW, Victoria and Tassie.

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/rese.....ustralian-Salmon.pdf

I have been buying Australian salmon and using it as my diamond salmon but after reading this other link of a Salmon fisherman (read his first paragraph), I do not know ...

So is Australian Salmon, what US calls Salmon?  

http://www.spooled.com.au/Article:1752




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The important thing to note about the 2nd article on Australian Salmon is;

Aussie salmon have rather dark, strongly-flavoured flesh

The Salmon I buy is pink. I just know its farmed. But the farming method involves nets that are on the actual estuary or rivers. But I'm afraid they are probably still fed by humans.
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the fish market mongers are walking fish encyclopedias!!
I d ask them if I were you....


read farmed salmon is fed GE soy beans.....


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This Article here proves my point beyond the doubt

http://www.huonaqua.com.au/wild-farmed.php

The question is, Dr D can we have farmed Atlantic Salmon? Its not listed as a Toxin.
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And this is what they are fed. At least they aren't drinking diet coke or bottled water.

There is some flexibility in which ingredients go into the recipe to deliver that specified feed but all ingredients must go through a battery of quality checks before they can be used. Aside from fishmeal and fish oil, our diets may contain wheat, soya derivatives, corn gluten, meat by-product meal, blood meal and vitamin and mineral supplements very similar to those taken by people. In fact most of the ingredients we use are commonly used in the pet-food industry and our diets look very like dry pet food - albeit with a very different nutrient profile, higher in energy and more digestible.
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I find a CBS website explaining the different salmons and their Australian equivalents (if avaiable). From it I derived that the Chinook Salmon is the Australian Quinnat Salmon, (which according to fishnet.com.au in another article, is found in the wild.)

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Here are some relevant extracts from the CBS website:
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The Atlantic salmon is the most popular species for fish farming or aquaculture and it is estimated that 98 per cent of the 300 million Atlantic salmon in the world are farmed fish.
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Chinook (Oncorhynchus tshawytscha)
The Chinook is the largest of the West Coast salmon (they can weigh up to 55 kg) and is also called "spring salmon" or "king salmon." It has a bluish-green back with light spots and is a favourite catch for anglers. In Australia, where the Chinook is an introduced species, it is called the Quinnat salmon. Its found in southern rivers, but is dependent on stocking programs for survival.
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Sockeye (Oncorhynchus nerka)
The sockeye is the most popular among the West Coast salmon with both anglers and commercial fishers and is reputed to be the best-tasting salmon. It is bluish-silver, and the most streamlined of the salmon. It weighs up to 3.2 kg. The kokanee, or sliver trout, is a land-locked subspecies of sockeye that never leaves fresh water.

The Australian salmon (Arripis truttaceus)
The Australian salmon are an ocean-dwelling species found along the south coast of Australia. Its silver with black spots and weigh up to 10 kg.
...
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Here is the full article from CBS website:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/salmon/

So I guess, next time we go to the fish market, or supermarket, we will ask the fishmonger if this is Quinnat wild Salmon or what.  I wonder how many blank looks we will get ...??  




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hope Jenny chines in, she s done a lot of studying on the subject.


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I;m sorry to say it but most of the fish shop people I've come accross aren't the sharpest. You probably will get a stare or blank expression, or worse they will just pretend they know and tell you what you wanna hear.
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hope Jenny chines in, she s done a lot of studying on the subject.


I have only just noticed this thread and commend you all on your expertise..I feel like a first grader in comparison. However, if you want to see my fish print out, please email me and you will see where I have got to on a fish spread sheet..perhaps one or both of you would like to go on filling in the blanks, and keep us updated. Because most of our most popular fish do not swim in northern hemisphere waters close to the U.S. they have not been tested for typebase and until Dr D has a lab downunder it would seem unlikely that we will know for sure where our favourites lie in the spectrum. I have basically come to the conclusion that self testing on our own bodies is about as close as we are likely to get.



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Lola, the typebase shows them with two different botanical names, based on that they are both different plants.  Or a typo on the database?



well spotted Cristina---I would definitely appreciate an explanation of the two different scientific names on typebase. I have always assumed them to be from the same plant, ie cilantro being the fresh herb, and coriander being the seeds and powdered seeds, but this cannot be so if they come from different species as implied in typebase. I think it is worth reporting/questioning as a bug.



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Jenny I would love that fish list, can you mail it to me...Thanks.
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Jenny, that makes sense that our local fish haven't been tested.  Could you please email your fish list to me too.  Saves me duplicating your work.  Thanks!


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ditto Jenny, and thanks for chiming in ...




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