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 By your BT, Which do you prefer: GT or Swami?
I'm type O and I prefer Swami (21 votes)
43.75%
I'm type A and I prefer Swami (17 votes)
35.42%
I am not sure (yet) (3 votes)
6.25%
I'm type B and I prefer Swami (2 votes)
4.17%
I'm type AB and I prefer Swami (2 votes)
4.17%
I'm type A and I prefer GT (1 votes)
2.08%
I'm type B and I prefer GT (1 votes)
2.08%
I'm type O and I prefer GT (1 votes)
2.08%
I'm type AB and I prefer GT (0 votes)
0%
I have tried either/both (0 votes)
0%
48 Votes Total Last vote Monday, June 2, 2014, 10:27am by Amazone I.
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paul clucas
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Don't you think that the only people who could adequately answer these questions
would be those of us who have already done a SWAMI?  Anyone following the
book wouldn't know how it feels to be eating foods that are so custom tailored to suit their specific needs.

I liked the Teacher diet from the book...I much prefer knowing my SWAMI Teacher
is mine and mine alone



"The happiest people don't have the best of everything.....they know how to make the best of everything!"
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I am scared to try the Swami because I may have my measurements wrong to begin with. I am eating the GTD Nomad diet but being off a half inch in any of my measurements can put me in a totally different genotype so If I don't have the geno type measurements correct. I'm afraid I will be wrong for the swami too.
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Because more measurements are considered, a mistake in any individual measurement will have less affect.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Quoted from C_Sharp
Because more measurements are considered, a mistake in any individual measurement will have less affect.


Also, for what I heard earlier in the forum, the flexibity in Swami (still waiting for it) is such that allows us to change these measurements and experiment for a while with the different diets offered.  

Swami Xpress seems such a fantastic tool to be at our disposal.  It give us the opportunity to look at our bodies in a different way, to respect it more in a different way, to listen and stay tune to the cues given by our bodies.  

It allows us to register subtle changes if we so wish.  We can identify that this food or that food I recently ate, produced this adverse reaction.  My Jaw measurements were iffy, I wonder if I remeasure it more carefully and if I change it, Swami will make that food an Avoid?  Voila!!  or
Yesterday, that trip to the crowded city shoping complex left me ehausted!!  Maybe I should review my MB assesment and feed that into Swami Xpress and see how it will taylor my diet to make me cope better in those situations, so I am not so drained by it...

Just examples to illustrate the uniques relationship between Swami/Xpress and ourselves ...

Correct me if my expectations are too high.





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Obviously SWAMI would be better as it is GT + more info.
If you cannot do your measurements & happy with your diet, wait a while before measuring again while you see how your diet is working.
[Most of us seemed to have gone thru that measurement anxiety. I thought I was a hunter at first, but was a borderline gatherer. SWAMI has me as explorer, but I have a hunch I'm very close to the other GTs.  My diet seems to have all 3 more equally used.
Anyway, I'm glad I got to do SWAMI. I wish I could add more info like that fancy gene test.
My son did that for $200 + or - while at seminary.]


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I agree with Chloe....I like that my Swami is only for me. As I learn more about myself, I add it in.
It's kind of neat to see what foods move to beneficial, neutral or avoid.  


I can do all things through Jesus Christ which strengtheneth me...Phil. 4:13

Super Taster / mom of one A-, one O+, one A+ adult children and four O+ and two A+ grandchildren  

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Quoted from Mrs T O+

Anyway, I'm glad I got to do SWAMI. I wish I could add more info like that fancy gene test.
My son did that for $200 + or - while at seminary.]



If your son had the Mitochondrial DNA Haplogroups determined, his result would be identical to yours. Mitochondria in a child come from the mother. No point to pay for another mitochondrial test.

Other genetic tests done on your child, may apply to you as well.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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brilliant C!


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I prefer swami because it is for me alone. It is a bit more restrictive in some ways, but it gave me back broccoli....and let's face it broccoli's worth a lot. Also it gave me back parmesan cheese.  
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I love my SWAMI!!! It's so me! Where before on the GTD I could really only tolerate a part of my food list...my SWAMI list makes my body Happy!  



Kristi
A+
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previously
GT Teacher
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no doubt swami - I wouldn be following GTD iF I havent been swamied
I got so many Henriette nessercary food back
like dark choc,
whole fat milk
more cheese
beef, veal
and took some of the worst GTD food away again.( mainly pulses, grains and oils)


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids
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I haven't done the SWAMI, but probably will at some point in the future. Right now, I'm enjoying the Teacher diet, but with all the good things said about SWAMI, it sounds better. I will admit that I'm a tad afraid of the things I'll lose, though.


A married to an O with two children, A & O

For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against ...spiritual wickedness in high places. Eph 6:12
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Quoted from Katsy
I haven't done the SWAMI, but probably will at some point in the future. Right now, I'm enjoying the Teacher diet, but with all the good things said about SWAMI, it sounds better. I will admit that I'm a tad afraid of the things I'll lose, though.


You might lose some foods on a SWAMI, but I gotta tell you, there are some
surprises that come along with a new food list that are exciting..Given SWAMI
takes your data and factors in the BTD plus other genotypes as well,
you might be really surprised of how much you start to love a better "fit".

For me, chicken livers went from being a black dot in the book to becoming
a superfood.  This is what I always craved.  The type A diet didn't allow me
any meat....I've always wanted to be able to eat liver. SWAMI made me very
happy by gifting me chicken livers.



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Quoted from Lola
brilliant C!
Could'nt have said it better.

You don't really "loose" or "gain" through Swami - you just loose your illusion of what the food does for you. I have seen no placebo effect here.

Don't misunderstand. No blame to Dr. D'Adamo. A Genotype must neccessarily be a compromise of what is conservatively best for about 10 to 20 percent of the total population. Brilliant work Dr. D!



My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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I like liver, too, but beef liver, & it got off the avoid list to either a dot or neutral. Yay!
Aren't we weird. So many folks hate liver.  
You mean that the halpogroup has no input from my husband's side for my son?
There was a map with arrows from 2 different areas, but in a close geographical area.
My husband had ancestors that lived in a certain area for 2,000 years until the 1920s(which I only recently found out) & one of the arrows came from that area. The other one seemed to come from where I thought my ancestors came from... interesting.
But I need to see it again to make sure.....


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My son said he did the male version of the haplogroup test, so it doesn't apply to me.
So I guess those 2 arrows are for Mr T's ancestors. He said it cost $107.50, which by today's standards isn't expensive.(It is if you don't have any money, I know. I couldn't afford the nickel & dime things most of my childhood so sympathize if you can't afford it.)  You walk into the drs. office for that much.  This test may prevent those drs. visits!

What happens to a bunch of hapless BTDers?
They join a haplogroup support group! [Groan!]


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Now I can vote - sort of. I'm actually comparing SWAMI with BTD because GTD didn't work for me at all.

Just got SWAMI last night, and have spent the day re-measuring, converting, counting, filling it in. And finally crying because it's given me back 10, yes 10 cheeses! On the other hand it's taken away my staple carbs and replaced them with mostly stuff I've never heard of, so I have nothing to eat my cheeses with. But I can live with that.

On balance, I think SWAMI gives me more variety.

I hope I still like cheese. It was the hardest thing to give up, but after 3 years I now realise that I've forgotten what it tastes like.


Note to self: I am me, and also an O-nonnie - I'm allowed not to fit the mould.
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Squirrel, now you can just melt your cheeses over veggies.  I'm not a huge fan of cheese, unless it's melted over something, so I didn't really miss it all that much, but, I'm glad to have parmesean back, because I do like it sprinkled over my roasted veggies.  I don't have any recognizable grains, either as superfoods or neutrals.  Rice is only a black dot though, and I know what it is  




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I did rather poorly on the Gatherer diet from the book. Had SWAMI not been available, I would have gone back to BTD after a 2 month trial.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
no doubt swami - I wouldn� be following GTD iF I haven�t been swamied
I got so many Henriette nessercary food back
like dark choc,
whole fat milk
more cheese
beef, veal
and took some of the worst GTD food away again.( mainly pulses, grains and oils)


I think this post well states why some of us are less likely to choose SWAMI.

Before SWAMI came along, Henriette already "knew" what the "Henriette-necessary" foods were!
Another diet (The Genotype Diet) told her otherwise, but she waited for SWAMI to give her permission to trust the intuition that had long told her what was "Henriette-necessary".

Yes, it's nice to have that confirmation, and some people downright require it, but some don't.

Another point is: Some people want very exact directions, while others are fine with more general guidelines.
There are no "Diamond" grains for Nomads, which confirms for yours truly my sense that I'm better off de-emphasizing grains and flours; I feel better when I eat them far less than most Americans (and others) do. Did I need Dr. D'Adamo to tell me this? No.
On the Nomad Diet, however, rices are "superfoods", even if they're not "Diamonds". I don't have SWAMI, but my internal guide says that I -unlike other Nomads- am better off with minimal rice, i.e., it's not a "superfood" for san j.
I don't feel I need SWAMI to corroborate that -- I know it to be true, whatever any book says, whatever SWAMI says.
To cultivate one's intuition, one must train it to stand on its own, encourage its independence.
And that's something Dr. D'Adamo, IMO, has helped me and others to do. I see it on these boards all the time.

Eating is life-pervasive; we must consider and do it every day, more than a couple of times. How much of that day I want to be studying nutritional parameters, variables, and recommendations differs from the allotment someone else might assign, especially in light of the mutability/ adaptability of SWAMI recommendations over time, as everyone who uses it attests. We each have to find our groove and enjoy it.
And Enjoyment, itself, means something different for each of us.
Some people can catch cold or experience a rare headache without deep analysis of their recent dietary components in an attempt to deconstruct a "cause" other than, perhaps, a phase of somewhat lowered immunity combined with a local epidemic. Others feel a need to nail a dietary culprit as often as possible, and may choose to be assisted in that endeavor by SWAMI.
Know Thyself, and be okay with those who are on other paths.
That's what works for me.  


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I would just like to add that being "fine-tuned" from 2+ years on Swami gives a far better awareness than when I started of what works for me and what doesn't.  Our instincts are in constant development, and where we are health-wise has much bearing on the degree to which those instincts can be trusted or even recognized. Better, I think, that newbies follow as much of Dr. D's advice as possible.


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Quoted from Averno

Our instincts are in constant development, and where we are health-wise has much bearing on the degree to which those instincts can be trusted or even recognized. Better, I think, that newbies follow as much of Dr. D's advice as possible.



Good thoughts.

Instincts work best when they are developed through training. I'd much rather trust the instinct to stop at a red traffic light, learned through training, than have to figure it out by natural instinct.

It doesn't help that we sometimes get trained the wrong things and have to unlearn them. But by and large prior human experience and process works out pretty well. Like SWAMI.

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Quoted from Katsy
I haven't done the SWAMI, but probably will at some point in the future. Right now, I'm enjoying the Teacher diet, but with all the good things said about SWAMI, it sounds better. I will admit that I'm a tad afraid of the things I'll lose, though.


I was very happy with the Type A BTD which is very similar to the Teacher diet.  I love beans and felt I didn't need meat.  HOWEVER, after 5 years I started to gain weight again (OK only 3 pounds, but a bad trend) and bought the Genotype book.

I was terribly disappointed to find that I did NOT fit in any of the Genotypes.  

THEN I did the Swami Express.  WOW!!!!  I have a friend here who was personally "trained" by Lola on how to do the measurements correctly, so was confident about the data I entered.  

I now have a personalized diet that shows me as Explorer but combines with BTD.  Starting on week 19, I've lost the 3 pounds plus 2 more and am getting used to eating meat and more fish and way, way fewer beans. But I get a lot more cheese and that makes me very happy.  

There were a lot of changes, some of which I didn't understand, but am following what my list says.  It has been an un-learning and re-learning project for me and I constantly still refer to my printed food lists.  AND I keep a check off chart on my refrigerator so I can be sure I get the proper number of servings of each category each week (or day in the case of grains and fruits).  

The Swami Express was worth it big time..........and I feel fortunate that it was affordable for me!  


6 years on ER BTD, went from sick and dying to healthier And 30 pounds slimmer.  

Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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my swami lists are + - the same as before on BTD ...and I'm very happy about it .....I only don't opt for any soy products... nor do I eat any kind of potatoes  
I'm still grain free and don't listen while health gurujis call for more fibers...coz if so I'll get bloated of the finest.... .... I reduced milk products coz of itchy ears (remembered me to my childhood.... )lately and I augmented my h2o intake drastically....and added some lekker mushroos (powders & extracts) since a while and it seems...my menopsy belly & hips are shrinking....


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