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Nomad Girl
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Thanks everybody for the feedback and advice I actually had been using the CYGD book as my GTD "bible" and following that diet since March- I just used Swami for the first time yesterday.

I'm also wondering about the subjective nature of some of the questions on the profile (also part of original calculators in the book). The questions are intended to be simple "yes" or "no" responses, but I'm wondering how accurate I am in judging the extent to which I "taste" the PROP sample and perhaps my body type is elusive and not well defined (I think I have been all 3 at various stages of my life).

Also, there are complications, such as currently I can only just touch my fingers when encircling my wrist, But I'm moderately overweight at the moment. When I was quite thinner 5-6 years ago (and all of my childhood and young adulthood), my fingers overlapped. I also have so many white lines in several fingerprints that I had to guesstimate what the actual pattern was.

I was so close between Explorer and Nomad GT when originally using the book's Basic and Intermediate calculators that something as small as my PROP taster status was enough to put me over in one or the other GT.

That was really the reason why I wanted to find out my secretor status! Because using the Advanced calculator, the book would point me to only ONE possible GT. I couldn't be an Explorer based on that info. So, then I had my final answer and I was satisfied as a Nomad.

I guess I'm having a difficult time wrapping my head around Swami calculations because I thought I understood the framework/principles behind the BTD and GTD reading the books. I feel like it's been turned upside down with conflicting information. According to the book- there are no amount of bodily measurements/tests that could possibly result in a B+ secretor Explorer. All possible paths lead to Nomad (except 2 scenarios, in which I would be a Gatherer).

It feels like an identity crisis! I can't be both Nomad and Explorer, so one calculation is wrong and now I am back full circle to wondering if maybe I am not a supertaster after all, but just a taster. Maybe I need to reconsider some of my answers.

There are notable differences in the Explorer and Nomad diets (I did run both). I'm going to play with it a little more and see what happens. In the meantime I will continue the Nomad diet as outlined in the book, at least until I use up my Nomad supplements. I really have had great improvement in health since March. I'm now off all of my allergy meds. I guess another reason I'm hesitant/reluctant to change now?

Hmmmm. So, I might have to change my screen name to Explorer girl. . .

Again, thanks everybody for comments.  
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It feels like an identity crisis! I can't be both Nomad and Explorer, so one calculation is wrong and now I am back full circle to wondering if maybe I am not a supertaster after all, but just a taster. Maybe I need to reconsider some of my answers.

There are notable differences in the Explorer and Nomad diets (I did run both). I'm going to play with it a little more and see what happens. In the meantime I will continue the Nomad diet as outlined in the book, at least until I use up my Nomad supplements. I really have had great improvement in health since March. I'm now off all of my allergy meds. I guess another reason I'm hesitant/reluctant to change now?



If the Nomad is working and you are happy with it, stay with it a while longer.

The label is only important in understanding the dominant approach. Since SWAMI is a tailored blend you are getting a mix that is considered best for what you input. Change the inputs and the label might change. Do your best on the questions and try to limit your health issues to those that are most pressing to get more focused results.

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Thanks. Sometimes I wish I wasn't so darn picky about everything
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I found this posted by Dr. D in the software updates thread:

"SYMPTOM

You chose to have SWAMI calculate your GenoType and it is different from the result of using the calculators in The GenoType Diet Book.

PROBLEM/ EXPLANATION

SWAMI Xpress uses it's own calculation library to calculate GenoType. It is much more in-depth and flexible than the system used in the book, so it is not unlikely that one could result in a GenoType that is at variance from the book.

However, SWAMI does actually perform the simple book calculation as well as it's own calculation library subroutines. If it notices that the two results differ, SWAMI will automatically enter a 'hybridize mode' and synthesize food values from a 'blend' of GenoType and blood type values.

STATUS

Alerted."

Still thinking about how to proceed.
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Still tweaking Swami-

I am determined to get to the bottom of my inconsistent GT results- sorry, I can't simply accept that the calculations are bigger, better, etc. with Swami. Especially since the results are quite different, and something is nagging me about the whole thing, anyway. I simply need a better understanding of how it works.

I ran Swami again after adding my Myers-Briggs personality (INTJ).

I was Swamied as Explorer (again) but this time I paid more attention to HOW it was calculated.

Copied directly from my report as determined by Swami:

"The Explorer Inventory

These are the findings which identified your GenoType as Explorer. To learn more about these tests and measurements, consult chapters 3 and 4 in The GenoType Diet book.

Calculator Points:

    Torso to Leg Ratio /Characteristic of Explorer.
        Your torso is longer than your legs.
        Your upper leg longer than your lower leg.
    Your ABO blood type (B) is often found in Explorer GenoTypes."

Then it lists the strength testing, of which I fit with 12 points. My total fit to GT Explorer is 42%.

So from this report, I have gathered that the only 2 main points used to calculate were one body measurement ratio and my blood type. No mention of Rh or secretor status, which I thought was extremely important, among other things. Also note the reference to the book.

----------Now--------------

Here is my Nomad report (GT manual input by me):

"The Nomad Inventory


Although GT6 Nomad was not what SWAMI Xpress would have calculated as your exact GenoType, here are the findings which are often seen in this GenoType.

Calculator Points:

    Ring to Index Finger Ratios /Characteristic of Nomad.
        Your index-ring finger ratio in symmetrical to your gender.
    Your ABO blood type (B) is characteristic of Nomad.
    Rh positive blood type is a strong marker for Nomad GenoType.
    Secretor status is often observed in Nomad GenoType."


Notice it NOW includes my Rh and secretor status, giving me 4 calculator points vs 2 with Explorer. I also had 10 strength test points, only 2 less than Explorer.

This is WHY I wonder about my accuracy on some less clear cut questions- a point or 2 difference may be significant.

By the way, most of the Swami profile questions are exactly the same as in the book (It's called the Intermediate calculator). Swami adds the personality type, ethnicity, and the specific genetic markers.

So, NOW I think I know what is going on with Swami: I think it is doing precisely what Dr. D previously advised clients NOT to do- it is giving weight to the Intermediate calculations and strength testing the GT's BEFORE taking all MAJOR points into consideration first (torso, leg, finger measures plus the blood type, Rh, and secretor).

This method is completely off base from the book, which narrows the GT by blood type, Rh, and secretor FIRST (with torso, leg and finger measures), THEN you can strength test the result to find your goodness of fit.

These are two different methodologies, which for me yield significantly different results in diet/food list. I suppose this situation is similar to those who were ardent followers of the BTD only to be upended when the GTD was introduced. For some it was a positive transition with successes, for others not so much and they returned to the BTD to yield the best results (as I've read on other threads).

So, what to do? Well, for now at least, I'm rejecting my Swamied Explorer GT and going to focus on both the book and Swami Nomad diet. I will try to emphasize similarities and avoid/limit vast differences, all to my best judgement.

I can always integrate more Explorer choices later on to experiment IF I need to right?

I promise I have analyzed this to death and I am now satisfied enough with my decision to leave this alone and move on. Whew!  
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Quoted from Nomad Girl


I ran Swami again after adding my Myers-Briggs personality (INTJ).

I was Swamied as Explorer (again) but this time I paid more attention to HOW it was calculated.
Copied directly from my report as determined by Swami:

"The Explorer Inventory

These are the findings which identified your GenoType as Explorer. To learn more about these tests and measurements, consult chapters 3 and 4 in The GenoType Diet book.

Calculator Points:

    Torso to Leg Ratio /Characteristic of Explorer.
        Your torso is longer than your legs.
        Your upper leg longer than your lower leg.
    Your ABO blood type (B) is often found in Explorer GenoTypes."

Then it lists the strength testing, of which I fit with 12 points. My total fit to GT Explorer is 42%.

So from this report, I have gathered that the only 2 main points used to calculate were one body measurement ratio and my blood type. No mention of Rh or secretor status, which I thought was extremely important, among other things.

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the nonmention of these factors does not mean they were not considered in the GenoType calculation.

All the factors are considered.

Listed were only the factors that positively contributed to determining that you were an explorer.

These were so strong thez overwhelmed the factors that were positive for othe GenoTypes.  Values associated with rejected GenoTzpes are not included in SWAMI reports.

This does not  mean that they are not considered.


Incidently, SWAMI use thre passes to deterine GenoTypes and to be confident that all factors are given proper weights in the calculation.


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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Yes, you're completely right.

What I should have said is that Rh and secretor status were determined not to positively correlate with the Explorer GT, thus rejected by SWAMI in favor of other stronger factors for SWAMI to have chosen Explorer GT.

I did not mean to say that they were overlooked by SWAMI.  

However, I am still convinced that the process SWAMI is using is not consistent with manual GT testing (completed by the person using Dr. D's guidelines as described in his book). Furthermore, I don't believe SWAMI's method is superior, necessarily. It arrives at the GT differently, using mostly the same information.

In one scenario (the manual method in the book), the only factors used for determination of GT is the Basic measurements (torso, leg and finger lengths) and the blood type, Rh, and secretor status. Those alone give you the GT. The strength testing occurs after determination of GT only for the purpose of measuring the strength of that GT expression in you or "goodness of fit". Here, there is an order of operations (like in math).

In the SWAMI scenario, it appears that Basic measurements, blood type, Rh, and secretor status, as well as strength testing are all computed simultaneously, with certain weights assigned to all factors, so that factors can be accepted or rejected depending on that factor's weight against the others.

So, with SWAMI, I am still questioning the method of giving more weight to the sum total of less accurate subjective factors (such as PROP tasting, finger prints, body type, personality type, etc.) in favor of concrete/objective factors (such as blood type, Rh, and secretor status).


Excerpts from Dr. D's intro to Swami as printed on the report:

"While it is hard to blend both systems [the BTD and GTD]
on your own, working from each book (you more or less have to choose a system and stick with it) it is very easy to develop even more
specific and personalized diet plans for any individual by using the tremendous data crunching power of modern computers.
Computer programs can rapidly analyze hundreds of different foods in a split second; and make tens of thousands of decisions based
on how we program it.
"

"[Dr. D] wrote the SWAMI Xpress software to harness the power of computers and artificial intelligence,
using their tremendous precision and speed to help tailor unique one-of-a kind diets to individuals"

"what follows is undoubtedly the most custom-tailored diet that science and technology are currently capable of producing. SWAMI
Xpress is capable of determining your GenoType and prescribing the appropriate GenoType Diet for you, but it can do much, much
more. From its extensive knowledge base, SWAMI Xpress can evaluate each of over 700 foods for over 200 individual attributes"

I think what Dr. D was trying to say is that in some instances, SWAMI is really meant to be a faster, easier, and more user-friendly way than trying to do it on your own.

So with all of that said, I choose to calculate my own GT manually and let SWAMI do the diet and food calculations. I think that's why SWAMI gives us the option to manually input a GT, overriding its own determination.

Because sometimes doing it with the paper and pencil is just better than whipping out the calculator.

I think others should also investigate their manually figured GT vs. the SWAMI GT if perhaps they are not doing so well with their SWAMI GTD. If you're struggling with the foods or if the selected GT doesn't seem to match you at all, I think it's at least reasonable to look at it.

I would be curious to know just how many users have experienced different self-determined GT (using known blood type, Rh, and secretor status) vs. the SWAMI GT.

Just wondering- I swear I'm not slamming SWAMI. I just like to know how the clock ticks (and maybe take it all apart and put it back together, too).  
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Quoted from Nomad Girl
So, NOW I think I know what is going on with Swami: I think it is doing precisely what Dr. D previously advised clients NOT to do- it is giving weight to the Intermediate calculations and strength testing the GT's BEFORE taking all MAJOR points into consideration first (torso, leg, finger measures plus the blood type, Rh, and secretor).

This method is completely off base from the book, which narrows the GT by blood type, Rh, and secretor FIRST (with torso, leg and finger measures), THEN you can strength test the result to find your goodness of fit.

These are two different methodologies, which for me yield significantly different results in diet/food list. I suppose this situation is similar to those who were ardent followers of the BTD only to be upended when the GTD was introduced. For some it was a positive transition with successes, for others not so much and they returned to the BTD to yield the best results (as I've read on other threads).

This is well said.
My guess is that for some -not all- your deduction is correct; the two different methodologies issue in a different GT-assignment.
And: Since variables are in a state of flux throughout one's lifetime, SWAMI calls for reassessments along the way.
Therefore, you might consider the following variable, which I personally find to be rather crucial: Whether or not you have the temperament to keep consulting SWAMI with alterations/ discoveries, in order to get a new read-out, versus adapting to one diet ("The Nomad Diet"), sticking with it, and changing it along the way according to your own intuitive or other-sourced deductions.
I have found that many here do feel secure with SWAMI's  calculations, above and beyond recommendations from other sources including their own intuition. I am one who am not comfortable with such an approach, having been interested in the mid-1990s in D'Adamo's work precisely because it jibed with where I'd been independently led anyway. Speaking only for myself, I am not inclined to de-condition a faculty that has stood me in good stead for over half a century, which faculty caused me to admire Dr. D'Adamo's work in the first place. Not every aspect of the man's work is appropriate for everyone, and I am impressed, Nomad Girl, that so early in your acquaintance with it, you are perceiving both the discrepancy and the solution, as well as articulating it formidably well!
Brava.


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I use a combination of SWAMI and my own intuition. I trust SWAMI for the food list itself- on occasion I've allowed "Avoids" to slip into my diet, and I always feel the negative health effects. There are too many foods and I never would have identified all of my "bad foods" though intuition and elimination diets alone.

But the portion sizes and frequencies need to be altered to accommodate my changing health and energy levels. Those can change from day to day, and I only update SWAMI when there's a reason to (like when I verified my secretor status, and eventually I'll enter menopause.) I've tried sticking strictly to SWAMI portions, and I got weak and dizzy from hunger after 2 days. So I trust my intuition for that.


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I use a combination of SWAMI and my own intuition. I trust SWAMI for the food list itself- on occasion I've allowed "Avoids" to slip into my diet, and I always feel the negative health effects. There are too many foods and I never would have identified all of my "bad foods" though intuition and elimination diets alone.

But the portion sizes and frequencies need to be altered to accommodate my changing health and energy levels. Those can change from day to day, and I only update SWAMI when there's a reason to (like when I verified my secretor status, and eventually I'll enter menopause.) I've tried sticking strictly to SWAMI portions, and I got weak and dizzy from hunger after 2 days. So I trust my intuition for that.


Ditto


ENFP -naturalist, visual/spatial and musical/verbal/chatty Dane- Mother to DD Emma age 19,
0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids
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...portion sizes and frequencies need to be altered to accommodate my changing health and energy levels. Those can change from day to day...I trust my intuition for that.

Thus edited, ditto for me, too.  



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I find that i'm always hungry on the explorer diet (working for me) and previous when i tried nomad diet, i felt full all the time.

SWAMI gives me a very tiny portion even when i say i workout. I'm suspecting i'm going through a catabolic state -_-


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SWAMI made me enemies with all my favourite foods, but i've made new friends along the way. Aiming for more MUSCLE!!!
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I can certainly relate to the "identity crisis" because SWAMI sent me from a Warrior to an Explorer. What I can accept beyond a shadow of a doubt, though, is that the proof of SWAMI is in the pudding! That is all I need! Because it works!


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