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Amazone I.
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JJR this is the chameleon in our attitude ... but on the psychical side.. try to become a bit clamer and let your body talk, listen to him and you'll be   what he will show to you   from Isa

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Oh my body is talking.  And it's not happy these last few months.  But, maybe that's a good thing.  It's helped us uncover lots of stuff and start to work on it.  I think it helped us uncover some very pertinent keys lately.  

Staying calm through it is my biggest challenge.  One time I remember you saying that lamb calms you down.  And I have noticed this too.  Last week it really helped me.


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lamb..mutton sooo yummy and gives me the feeling of superforces and it takes me down to earth also.... but then it is important for all of us to become the one we shall become ..... the older you're getting the easier it will be  


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Quoted from JJR
Oh my body is talking.  And it's not happy these last few months.  But, maybe that's a good thing.  It's helped us uncover lots of stuff and start to work on it.  I think it helped us uncover some very pertinent keys lately.  

Staying calm through it is my biggest challenge.  One time I remember you saying that lamb calms you down.  And I have noticed this too.  Last week it really helped me.


Ditto....Challenging times for sure.  Lamb always makes me feel better too.  At least we are working on a solution.  Once you know what you are dealing with, it is easier to wage the war.  The hard part is knowing that sometimes you do feel worse right before it gets better.  We are on our way.
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I gotta email you and touch base about tons of stuff.!!!  


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Ok, I got the results of my Y chromosome from the National Genographic Project and entered them into Swami. I updated my weight and changed the exercise level from none to moderate. Check the % teacher. Swami says that it will give me the GT3 Teacher since I had it programmed but that I am something else!
Restart the heart. Rerun Swami without specifying the genotype. It says that I am an Explorer at 39%.

Sorry Teachers I have just left the group. Explorers please make room for an A+ Secretor !!! (Does this make me an honourary nonnie?   )

It appears that my screwy lefty, asymmetrical fingerprints, allergies and (I)N(T)P profile has overcome the tendons and low wrist diameter of the teacher.
It explains all of the recent medication reactions that I have experienced during the treatment for heart problems (atrial fibrillation.)

I compared the Explorer foods from the Genotype book to my Swami list. Wow. Just Wow. There is quite a difference. The Swami is a blend of Teacher and Explorer. A true understanding of the shades of gray that separate the 2 genotypes. Dr. D is a true craftsman and visionary.

The Y-chromosome haplogroup is interesting. It is common in North Western Europe. The problems with anemia and blood disorders are on my mother's side, not my father's side of the family!! (Note to self, go find the mitochondrial haplogroup.)

Random musings on being an Explorer.
  "I did it my way." - yup my wife will confirm that
Apricots is a superfood (my all time favourite fruit)
Carrots, celery and radishes are super foods - I ate them everyday for lunch from high school until a few years ago. Returning to my roots.
Buckwheat is still a superfood!

What do ya mean I have to break into a sweat??? Yoga does not involve sweating (hot yoga notwithstanding).

Wow. Deep breath. I can DO this.

Thanks for reading this far.

Exploring new territory.

Andrew


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Good luck and much health and wellness Andrew as an explorer,
I guess I could be to an A sec +  right handed explorer; asymmetrical, celiac and allergic. BTD A sec for me was pretty good and Teacher cheeses at the best black dots !


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@ Andrew;

Question: How long after National Geographic received your kit you got your results?
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Andrew....welcome in our club..but a sechi always stays a sechi  ...intp-bro...another warm welcome, enjoy your meats... better to confirm: I do it my way .... we aren't dead until now .....


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Question: How long after National Geographic received your kit you got your results?


About two months in a friends' case.

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As a male you can get a whole lot more genetic information for the price of testing two haplogroups ($200), by using other companies.

Since National Geographic introduced the test several years ago there has been a substantial reduction  in the cost it takes to test genetic information.

With other companies not only will you get haplogroup information for $200, but lots of other genetic information.



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Good luck and much health and wellness Andrew as an explorer,
I guess I could be to an A sec +  right handed explorer; asymmetrical, celiac and allergic. BTD A sec for me was pretty good and Teacher cheeses at the best black dots !


Thank you very much Maria. After some further reading and understanding the Explorer lifestyle (diet and exercise) some of it really "talks" to me.

Andrew


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@ Andrew;

Question: How long after National Geographic received your kit you got your results?


Damon:
It took about 1 week to be delivered and then about 8 weeks to do all of the tests and checks before the results were posted.
I was not aware of any other gene testing until I read C-sharp's post (above). My goal was to add to the Genographic project (distribution and changes to population through history). It never occurred to me that it would make such a difference to my Swami profile! Definitely unintended consequences.

Andrew


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Andrew....welcome in our club..but a sechi always stays a sechi  ...intp-bro...another warm welcome, enjoy your meats... better to confirm: I do it my way .... we aren't dead until now .....


Thank you for the warm welcome Amazone, INTP-sis. Yes, once a secretor, always a secretor. I read the thread about "you might be a nonnie if..." and some of those things do or did affect / annoy / bother me. So I thought that I could apply to be an honourary (pretend) nonnie.
For the red meat; lamb and mutton move from avoid to neutral but there are no superfoods (I must be in that gray area close to Teacher). Poultry superfoods reduces from 4 to 3 (turkey, ostrich, squab) but doubles from 2 to 4 servings per week. Looks like turkey leftovers from Thanksgiving and Christmas had better last a long time!
Fish reduces from 6 servings to 4 per week and vegetable protein drops from 9 to 6 servings a week. Due to the milk problem I did not eat any cheeses or yogurt. Now I have to find a good source of goose eggs as whole chicken eggs are only neutral.

Looking forward to "doing it my way", "with a little help from my friends".

Andrew


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I will not change genotypes even if the SWAMI tells me to.     Hopefully that won't happen.
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I will not change genotypes even if the SWAMI tells me to.     Hopefully that won't happen.


What is your Hunter %, Sahara? I assume that you are closely aligned with the Hunter genotype ideal. Or does it just resonate well with you?

Andrew


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Is there a maximum number of times you can edit your account. I am still awaiting my Saliva Test results and didn't print my food list. Every time I click on the edit button to gain access to my food list.
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You can edit your SWAMI profile as many times as you want (a few fields are time locked but this is not affected by the number of times your edit your profile).

I have edited my intake data 263 times in SWAMI.


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Very interesting about the y chromosone thing.   Hmmmmm...


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I was just thinking about this last night, and I think that's what's been bothering me about the whole thing.  Because for me  I have STRONG qualities of all 3 categories I can be, and I have some MILD qualities of the 4th I could be.  

I know for sure I deal with Teacher issues and fit much of the descriptions.  I know for sure that the same goes for Explorer and Nomad.  Warrior is the one I least identify with, but that doesn't mean it's completely out.  I have the unibrow and every once in 3 blue moons, I need a break from meat.  

But regardless, I started feeling like I should follow the swami that I feel like I'm being like at present.  Like, I think right now I'm struggling with a sluggish liver, a gut that is being too accepting of gunk, and viral stuff.  So, I feel like a Nomad right now.  Of course I also feel overwhelmed with all the allergens and that's very Explorer.  I think when I'm feeling good and in the middle of summer, Teacher would probably fit best, because I'm usually trying to do more than what I should be because I'm feeling better.  And it's not even always WHAT I'm doing by HOW I'm doing it.  I get all charged up and my movements are quicker and my brain is tweaked out etc.  That's totally teacher ish.  Now, I'm all like, chilled out, resting, etc.  So I don't feel like the teacher diet is right any longer.  I followed it for a month and I think I needed the extra carbs.  But now I think I need a little more red meat for blood building, less carbs and need to get rid of allergens and toxins.  So I need something more like my Nomad or Explorer diet.  

So, I think you're right Isa.  I feel like I need to be fluid with my choices.  And that is a very difficult thing.  It's easier on the brain to just follow a list.  Plus, it also means I need to understand what the "foods in question" do.  Like the few foods that switch positions.  Why are blackberries a "black dot" on my Explorer but Neutral on my Teacher and superfoods on my Nomad diet.  Things like that.  There aren't a lot of things that change, but certain ones do.  Avocados are another example.  

None of my lists change so terribly that it's like, WHAT DO I EAT?  But it does have me scratching my head sometimes.  And it becomes more complex than I think someone with ONE blood type.  Which may be why I am that much more sensitive to supplements and what not.  But even said all that, I bet there are people with one blood type that have these ups and downs and have to figure out what best fits at that point.  I don't think the change of seasons only affect AB's.  

Eh?


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Hello all!

I am very excited to be participating in the GTD! I have read both Eat Right 4 Your Type and Change Your Genetic Destiny and have been making changes since March this year. I have encountered some issues though, and I feel that I have hit a roadblock with GT.

I am VERY confused regarding some fundamental GT calculations. I have been following the CYGD book and I feel like I have a pretty firm grasp on GT in general and the concept of "goodness of fit" to a particular GT.

I began my GT journey with the Intermediate calculator that came with the GT kit (since I knew and have documentation confirming my blood type: B+).

Strength testing the two possibilities yielded only a marginal preference for the Explorer over the Nomad (They may actually be a tie- I think the PROP tasting is very subjective, so although I believe myself to be a "super taster", I don't feel very confident in judging the degree of bitterness I taste).

I subsequently purchased and received my secretor test results, revealing I am a secretor.

So now, with this new info I wipe the slate clean and begin again with my GT calculations (remeasured just to confirm original values), only this time I jump straight to the Advanced calculator, which gives only one GT- I am a Nomad. Great; my characteristics are already a very good fit based on strength testing (which I also completed again to confirm). Then. . . .

Swami came along. According to directions, I can input my predetermined GT, which I did. I have full confidence that I followed the Advanced calculator EXACTLY to determine I am a Nomad. And yes- I even performed my own blood typing just to confirm that I am B+ (I'm anal like that).

Much to my surprise, Swami mentioned in my report that my manual input of GT Nomad overrode what Swami would have determined (GT Explorer) based on my profile. I double, triple, quadruple checked my profile for errors- none there.

Then I noticed that Swami used the Basic calculator (stated just above GT findings in report). Well, when I go back to my kit and the Basic calculator- yes, following measurements alone WITHOUT blood type and secretor status would have put me in the Explorer GT, but the book states blood type and secretor status are far better GT indicators (that's why they are part of the Advanced calculator) than the measurements alone.

1. Why does Swami use the Basic calculator for GT determination?
2. I did input my blood type and secretor status into my profile, so how is Swami still determining GT Explorer rather than Nomad?

As I understand it, although I seem to have only slightly more Explorer physical characteristics over Nomad, that just means that I have less Nomad attributes. It shouldn't change the fact that I am still a Nomad GT.

According to CYGD book, you can't be more than one GT. There are no combos. There is just the ONE GT that is determined (based on calculators) and then how well you "fit" or "match" the characteristics. Dr. D even recommends NOT to strength test other GT (backtracking through the Basic and Intermediate calculators after already using the Advanced calculator) only to find different GT results. Which seems to be exactly what happened with Swami.

I had already been following GT Nomad diet and supplements, with much improvement, so for me to find out now (with Swami) that I potentially might be a different GT is very disappointing and disheartening.:' (I came into this full force and I want to be accurate with my lifestyle (or I wouldn't be here).

3. Why is the BTD integrated with the GTD in Swami?

My understanding was that the GTD was "even more refined, complete, and accurate way of understanding the human body than blood type alone"(p. xxv, CYGD).

I want to be following the MOST accurate advice for diet and exercise to yield the MOST benefit.

4. Is the current recommendation by Dr. D to follow the GTD alone or the combo of GTD and BTD?

One last comment and question: If my GT is suited so well for dairy consumption, why must I avoid cow and goat milk? (I LOVE MILK!!!!)

Thanks for any comments/answers/clarification to this very long post. (Sorry, I need to know what is going on and what I'm doing!)
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Hello all!



Much to my surprise, Swami mentioned in my report that my manual input of GT Nomad overrode what Swami would have determined (GT Explorer) based on my profile. I double, triple, quadruple checked my profile for errors- none there.

Then I noticed that Swami used the Basic calculator (stated just above GT findings in report).


Hi!

SWAMI actually uses more information than the advanced calculator. Included are all inputs, including fingerprints and so on.

SWAMI saw enough to call you an "Explorer" overriding the advanced chart. What is more important than the label is the food ratings - run them again letting SWAMI choose the GT and see what the differences are.

That's all that really matters.
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Welcome!

The Advanced Calculator is usually the best one to use if you're planning on using one of the "book diets." The point of those calculators is to figure out which of the 6 "ready made diets" would suit you  best.

But SWAMI is different. It takes your measurements, your taster status,  blood type, medical history and family medical history, and crunches ALL of that data. Then it calculates each individual food for about 100 different factors before deciding whether that food is good or bad for you.

SWAMI is NOT just a fancy way to figure out your genotype. It's doing something much more sophisticated. It ends up being a blend of Genotype Diet and Blood Type Diet and a few other factors that aren't in any of his published books. Yes, it ends up with a "genotype label" but, in most cases, the actual food plan varies quite widely from the diet printed in the book. Or sometimes it only varies in a few ways- but those ways can be powerful.

I suggest that you re-run SWAMI, letting it calculate genotype for you. Then, if you like, you can compare the SWAMI diet to the Explorer diet in the  book- I can guarantee there will be differences.

Most people do best by letting SWAMI compute genotype. The override is there, however, because there are exceptions. SWAMI is a complex computer program, but the human body is even more complex, and sometimes we need to tweak the computer program to make it work better. The Genotype override is one of those available tweaks. But before tweaking it, give it a try first. Let SWAMI compute what it thinks is the best option and see how that works for you.


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Then I noticed that Swami used the Basic calculator (stated just above GT findings in report). Well, when I go back to my kit and the Basic calculator- yes, following measurements alone WITHOUT blood type and secretor status would have put me in the Explorer GT, but the book states blood type and secretor status are far better GT indicators (that's why they are part of the Advanced calculator) than the measurements alone.

1. Why does Swami use the Basic calculator for GT determination?

I assume you are referring to this statement in the SWAMI printout:
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Calculator Choice: Using Standard GenoType Calculation Tools.

I am certain that this does not mean the basic calculator from the book - rather I think it means the standardized calculator used for all of SWAMI.

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2. I did input my blood type and secretor status into my profile, so how is Swami still determining GT Explorer rather than Nomad?

SWAMI uses many more data points for the calculation of genotype than the book, so it is not unusual for someone to get a different base genotype from SWAMI than from the book.  There is just no way to have a test in a book with so many variable as is possible in a software package.

It is recommended that you allow SWAMI to select the genotype due to the additional data points used  - making it a more accurate evaluation than the book...

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As I understand it, although I seem to have only slightly more Explorer physical characteristics over Nomad, that just means that I have less Nomad attributes. It shouldn't change the fact that I am still a Nomad GT.

If there are more characteristics that are from the Explorer genotype than any other genotype, why shouldn't it make you the genotype of the majority of your characteristics?
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3. Why is the BTD integrated with the GTD in Swami?

As you realize, often a genotype in the book has several blood types that can be part of that genotype.  For SWAMI to include the blood type in its calculations, it can sort out the major problems foods for each blood type out of the genotype specific foods recommended - making the diet recommendations that much more individualized.
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4. Is the current recommendation by Dr. D to follow the GTD alone or the combo of GTD and BTD?

SWAMI is the most individualized diet recommendation available.  It is a blending of the two major diet plans, blended using some very powerful algorithms and using more than 200 parameters to make up the recommendations.  Whereas BTD is 1 of 8 (if you include Secretor status) and GTD (or CYGD) is 1 of 6 diet, SWAMI is 1 of some 12.6 million diet.

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One last comment and question: If my GT is suited so well for dairy consumption, why must I avoid cow and goat milk? (I LOVE MILK!!!!)

Sorry, I can't answer this one...  Something in Dr. D.'s research based on the inputs you provided have made SWAMI make these decisions.


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Perhaps it is not possible to be a combination of more than one GT.  I don't wish to debate that any more.

But it is possible, and likely, that a diet will include a combination of superfood, neutral and avoid ratings from more than one GT.  I'm guessing in your SWAMI diet will be a combination of Nomad and Explorer.  And it might totally contradict BTD recommendations.

Good luck!


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Quoted from SquarePeg
Perhaps it is not possible to be a combination of more than one GT.  I don't wish to debate that any more.

But it is possible, and likely, that a diet will include a combination of superfood, neutral and avoid ratings from more than one GT.  I'm guessing in your SWAMI diet will be a combination of Nomad and Explorer.  And it might totally contradict BTD recommendations.

Good luck!

Not to mention that those recommendations will, as the title of the chosen thread signifies, change "again again and again".
In this way, SWAMI's accuracy is more finely akin to the human sensation/intuition/judgment interface than the book-systems are capable of approximating. Nonetheless, it is only, itself, an approximation - it cannot substitute for that divinely created faculty of the human mind.

I do not use SWAMI, but I esteem it very highly as a Personal Trainer for those who would send their superior faculty to boot camp while stimulating their gray matter about how Computers calculate. Eventually, I trow, it can be used less and less dependently, as more of an occasional touchstone/ consultant.
My Opinion.



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