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JJR
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I've been thinking lately that I should probably do this.  With the tests I've had and what my body is telling me is I think I might be better with another level. Here's why:

I'm 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999% sure I'm a teacher and I have definitely had a good reaction to it.  I've been on it since Jan 1 and it my health has increased so much since then.  

However:  From the tests my doctor has run, I know I have an explorer liver and kidneys and I know for sure I'm a slow acytelator. However you spell it.  My liver and kidneys lack glutathione genetically.   I had about 8 sips of decaf coffee with dinner the other night and I swear it made me feel lousy. It helped my stomach acid but it also just made me feel all zingy kind of.  Inflammed or something.  Plus, I've had two rides in older cars this summer that smell like gas and exhaust more so than a new one and got a soar throat each time.  I know I have issues like and explorer.  Plus I also think I may need a little bit more red meat.  Although admittedly I haven't tried goat or mutton yet.  (hard to find)

So, my questions are such:


How is this SWAMI Express working out for some of you and is it going well?

And: Has anyone else had situations where they have really strong traits of more than one Genotype and did swami express help?


Thank you all in advance for any feedback.  I appreciate it!!!!



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I was Explorer by the advanced Calculator, but the strength tests rated me strongly for Teacher.

When I did SWAMI it blended foods from both GenoTypes and the blood type diet.

My health is much better on the SWAMI diet than it was on The Explorer diet.  The most noticeable difference is that I now make it thorough the day without repeatedly falling down.


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I now make it thorough the day without repeatedly falling down.


you mean not getting tired?
or literally falling down?!


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I am definitely a Teacher and felt really happy with the Teacher diet seeing it cleaned up some real issues in my intestines. I am environmentally sensitive, have many allergies--that typically aren't such a problem with me with the exception of my mold allergy, and may have a sluggish liver. I definitely don't do well with caffeine. Even dark chocolate can keep me up for hours.

I found that after 5 or 6 weeks on the Teacher diet I began having really strong reactions to mold and became quite asthmatic. Indeed I had some mold in the house and needed to keep the humidity down. Plus we are having a wet summer, so there is a lot of mold outside. After identifying some hidden mold in the house, I was able to make it so that I didn't need my asthma medication as often as at first, but even so, I had some nagging congestion in my lungs, a little cough, some wheezing off and on, and a feeling that asthma was always imminent. After a day on the SWAMI diet I stopped needing to use my inhaler on daily basis. I still had SOME feeling I might need it for a few days, but resisted. Then yesterday I discovered my breathing was markedly improved. It is unusual for me to ever need to use an inhaler so often (usually I use it a handful of times per year and pollution is often a trigger), so perhaps it was all the cheese. My SWAMI has my cheese limited to a smaller list plus a few neutrals. I have a feeling that change could be accounting for much of the improvement I'm seeing, but obviously a number of things have changed and it could more than just the dairy changes.

The mold counts are still high outside and my husband is still suffering from some asthma. I wonder if my Teacher foods are affecting his health! (He's an O.)
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Yeah, I've been thinking I've been doing too much dairy too.  My head seems clogged up with pressure sometimes and I was thinking about trying to lay off it a little.  I have some kind of dairy every morning because it seems to really give my body the protein I need for Breakfast, yet easy to digest.  Like yoghurt, buttermilk, cheese.  I used to eat soup for breakfast and that worked great!!!  Except if I don't get some protein in the morning, I get the jitters before lunch.  Maybe some turkey, vegetable soup would be good.  

Will this program take into account some of this testing I've had done that is real important?  

That's how I know about my liver and kidneys and I also had an IGg and IGe test done.  I didn't have too much bad things on there except for a couple of zingers like I had an allergy to onions and I stopped eating them and could tell a difference for the better.  

I just don't want to pay for something that isn't going to mean much.  I see how it COULD make things better, but never seeing it before, I don't know HOW.  You know?


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I wonder if my Teacher foods are affecting his health! (He's an O.)


I should think so!


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you mean not getting tired?
or literally falling down?!


Literally falling down. Since I am still fairly young I did not break any bones, but it is still nice to not be falling.

On SWAMI I am actually able do some balance poses in Yoga, whereas on explorer I would fall just walking.  SWAMI makes a substantial difference in what I am able to do in my life.





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glad you are noticing such excellent results!


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Well according to the book I was a Nomad
- however there where a few things about the nomad diet that didnt work for me.

Swami showed that I am a gatherer with a nomad worldview.

The foodlist is 99 % written to me
and after 10 years on BTD I just KNOW what kind of food that works for me.
It is a funny mixture of B diet, nomad and gatherer

The food list contains far more proteins servings
omega 3 rich products than my old one
It is not low fat but seem pretty low fructose ( only 2 servings of fruit)
It does have grain
- but I would call it a paleo diet with whole milk and some cheese  

I cant tell you yet if it works since it is just 1 week since
- but right now I am having
oats ( diamond) with whole milk( superfood) and blueberries( superfood) and green tea (diamond)- and that keeps me happy  

I would strongly advice people to get a swami.


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0 rh- secr ( Hunter or Explorer )
Diamonds, superfoods, Neutral,*black dots, avoids
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Short answer:

Yes, it's going well and worth the cost. I highly recommend you get it done when you can afford it.

Longer answer:
According to the book I was a TEACHER and I felt better on it than I did on the BTD and I did lose some weight.

However, I didn't match the strength testing stuff at all. After several months things started not being so great any more. My monthly cycle was getting less cyclical and other things, but I thought perhaps it was just because I'm not too far from menopause...some people go through that stage earlier than others so I ignored it. Then other less easily explained things started to happen, too.

As I continued eating as a TEACHER (it was working better for me than BTD had) I started drifting away from the diet no matter how much I tried to stick with it...I tried adding in some of the black dots and that started the slippery slope.

Approx. two weeks before SWAMI arrived in my mailbox I shocked my husband by eating a BEEF hamburger one night with him...then a roast beef sandwich for lunch the next day...and I felt better for having done it. Obviously, I was craving red meat like crazy...beef as you know is out for both AB and TEACHER diets.

Anyway, fast forward to SWAMI. Within less than 3 days I started noticing things starting to correct themselves! Now, I realize that it took several months for problems to start surfacing with the TEACHER diet and it could be that it will happen again with SWAMI only further out since it's an improvement for me over both the BTD and GTD.

However, as Henriette Bec said, SWAMI is customized for me. My new list is a blend of BTD, NOMAD, and a hodge-podge of TEACHER, EXPLORER and even what looks like it could possibly be a smattering of WARRIOR. Since we AB's are the hardest to figure out because of our double dominant type, I think that it helps figure us out better than anything else available can.

Also, if you commit to SWAMI you will get any updates, should there be any that need to be made. I can go back and change my own data input in the future should I ever need to so it has the capacity to change with me much more easily than errata lists or revised books.

One last thing in case you're wondering about the beef. It's a black dot on my list...which means it wasn't nearly the avoid it was for the TEACHER. The chicken that is a black dot for TEACHER in the book is a SWAMI avoid for me.
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Yeah, I've been craving more red meats.  I think I said that.  The two times (yes that is truth) that I've ate them in the last year, I didn't feel any repercussion.  One time I had people over and made a grass fed organic, real good beef meatloaf and I ate a piece and didn't feel any repercussions.  And I had a hamburger last summer at a picnic, without a bun and it didn't phase me.  I think I had some digestive enzymes before each meal, but I've had other things like liver just send my insides to fits.  

So my mind always comes back to that and the fact that I take a B12 supplement every day.  Hmmm....  

If you look at the supplements I've been taken from my doctor who I get balanced out with regularly, it looks like an exact replica of the teacher and explorer list together.  And I remember Lola always saying I sounded like an explorer.  But I'm a secretor ABpos.  So.....

I think I have to do this swami express!!!!  I'm getting the feeling that it somehow asks you the right questions, because you sound a lot like me chanur.  Eh?


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I was doing the GT3 diet from the day the book came out, and it was working well for me.  I am a clearly a teacher by measurements, although I don't strength test super high for it at all.  Many things about me, like hx of allergies and environmental sensitivities etc, are more indicative of other GTs.  But there was no doubt for me about my teacherness.

The swami has opened up a whole new world for me, giving me lots more options in the food department.  Many fruites and veggies which were a no no for teachers are now back to their A superfood status.  My superfood cheese list is much shorter, but I can't overdo the dairy anyway so that is not a problem.  A number of things that were superfoods for gt3 that I never ate went back to toxin/dot, which made sense for me.  Of course I still avoid the things that I know my body doesn't do well on, even if they are superfoods.  

I think it is well worth it, gives you lots more tools and information to further refine your diet.


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Now if I can just sell one of my kids to afford all this stuff I need.  JUST KIDDING!!!!!!!!!!


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But I'm a secretor ABpos.  So.....

I think I have to do this swami express!!!!  I'm getting the feeling that it somehow asks you the right questions, because you sound a lot like me Chanur.  Eh?
Yes, I agree, you should definitely get it done! I did some thinking about what you've said so far and what I remember of your dilemma when you first came to these boards about BTD vs GTD and if GTD then which one of those. Here's what I came up with:

I wouldn't let the fact that you are an AB+ secretor rule out the possibility of SWAMI re-classifying you as an EXPLORER or at least having EXPLORER tendencies woven into your SWAMI food choices. I say this for several reasons.

1. I am rh - and do have the environmental sensitivities and it still didn't put me in the EXPLORER category so it's got to be more than the rh and "major" things which does it. SWAMI did however mix in noticeable EXPLORER items which is why I said a "hodge-podge" of them earlier.

However, I wouldn't rule out NOMAD as a possibilty either. Those sensitivities and imbalances of yours that your doctor has to keep an eye on could also possibly be explained by the nitric oxide issues that NOMAD can have. Without SWAMI I wouldn't have a clue how to go about discerning which was the cause or if a blend of both which one was more heavily influencing you.

You could also end up having TEACHER confirmed, but with generous amounts of AB BTD and/or NOMAD and/or EXPLORER mixed into your lists...they all three have more red meats - both to chose from and in quantity.

2. I personally would think that we AB's would always have to have a noticeably amount of EXPLORER in us simply because of how they think a person gets to be in the EXPLORER group: in-utero stress.

If we AB's are a blend of two fertile eggs (one A and one B) then something had to have happened before we were born. Even if it was something as simple as the eggs were very close together and somehow merged, it would still be two different types blending. Considering how different A and B are that in itself I would think would be a bit of a "shock".

This to me would, again, make us AB's harder to figure out - which is the dominant of the two (A or B) and is the person truly an EXPLORER or just have elements of the the EXPLORER? SWAMI seems to be able to figure it out. I know I sure couldn't and neither could the tables in the GTD book (not that the book is bad, I still refer to it from time to time).

One more reason for SWAMI that Gumby and Henriette Bsec mentioned: variety. I looked at my old BTD spreadsheet and my TEACHER one. SWAMI gives me way, way, way, more choices! This makes it easier to stay both compliant (as a former chef I tend to get bored with my food easily my husband says) and be flexible in social situations (like potlucks or eating out for company functions).

When I was on the BTD there were things I would routinely want that were avoids. Same with GTD. With SWAMI there is nothing, except pork, on my Avoids lists that I feel I will miss for more than just "old habit" type reasons.  Nobody ever gets pork, BTD, GTD or SWAMI, and there is an entire list of reasons why so I just have to stay away from it.

This sorta makes it sound like if you just listen to your body you don't need SWAMI. However, if left to my own choices I would eat way too much grain and never have realized how much better I feel with less of it. I also would still be eating my grandma's fried chicken and never discovered that rabbit is so much better (tasting and for my body) and I'd still be eating beef because it's so much easier to find and cheaper than lamb and eating wheat instead of spelt because, again, it's cheaper and easier to find, but it would over time be too much gluten in such quantities. Wheat once in a while is okay for me (black dot) but not as a standard pantry item for me.

One last thing: about dairy. My husband noticed I had naturally cut myself back on how much dairy I ate just before SWAMI. I cannot say what SWAMI would do for you since it's all personalized, but for me, I got lots more cheese choices than ever before and most of them were diamonds, but with that also came that they are now much more limited in quantity/frequency than they are in the book list. Like many of them can do so much good only a small amount is needed. I'm finding I like it better that way, too.  

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The GTD is like going to a store that sells nice shoes and buying a pair that fits you pretty well...Your friend has a pair of custom made shoes...You wish you
knew what it felt like to have someone take an impression of your feet, make
a mould and produce a pair of shoes that will fit your feet like a second skin.

SWAMI is like having your own custom shoemaker....where the shoes feel like
you're not wearing any at all because they're so comfortable.

And really, it's only $69.00...Put away a dollar a day for 69 days and you're there!





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Yeah, I've been craving more red meats.

That doesn't mean anything. I'm a Warrior, Genotyped by Dr. D himself and I crave red meat sometimes.
You all sound like it's sooo expensive..$69?? Are you mad? I paid $440!  (but of course there will NEVER be any question on my Genotype again..lol)
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If we AB's are a blend of two fertile eggs (one A and one B) then something had to have happened before we were born. Even if it was something as simple as the eggs were very close together and somehow merged, it would still be two different types blending. Considering how different A and B are that in itself I would think would be a bit of a "shock".


Is that really how AB's happen? as a blending of two fertile eggs?  

I though you got an A allele from one parent and a B allele from the other.  Guess I have some reading to do.  




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That doesn't mean anything. I'm a Warrior, Genotyped by Dr. D himself and I crave red meat sometimes.
You all sound like it's sooo expensive..$69?? Are you mad? I paid $440!  (but of course there will NEVER be any question on my Genotype again..lol)


Well, it's not that I care like I want the good tasting stuff.  I like turkey and eggs and all the other stuff just fine.  But I take B12 and another B complex quite often and wondering if my body isn't telling me something.  Sorry if that sat with your wrong.  And yeah, money is tight, sorry about that.  We spend way more than $440 a month on health food and dietary supplements for this ole family with all my problems and my son and even my daughter.  My wife is doing pretty well, but she gets supplements regularly too.  In fact, very little money, if any, is spent on extravagant things like movies, clothes, parties, etc etc.  SO YEAH, $69 dollars is a stretch right now and I'll figure out how to swing it now that I think it's necessary.  But there are a lot of other necessary things like my kids school, (we home school).....

Well, you got my dander up, but whatever, everyone has a budget.   Sorry if that struck you wrong.  


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Yes, I agree, you should definitely get it done! I did some thinking about what you've said so far and what I remember of your dilemma when you first came to these boards about BTD vs GTD and if GTD then which one of those. Here's what I came up with:

I wouldn't let the fact that you are an AB+ secretor rule out the possibility of SWAMI re-classifying you as an EXPLORER or at least having EXPLORER tendencies woven into your SWAMI food choices. I say this for several reasons.

1. I am rh - and do have the environmental sensitivities and it still didn't put me in the EXPLORER category so it's got to be more than the rh and "major" things which does it. SWAMI did however mix in noticeable EXPLORER items which is why I said a "hodge-podge" of them earlier.

However, I wouldn't rule out NOMAD as a possibilty either. Those sensitivities and imbalances of yours that your doctor has to keep an eye on could also possibly be explained by the nitric oxide issues that NOMAD can have. Without SWAMI I wouldn't have a clue how to go about discerning which was the cause or if a blend of both which one was more heavily influencing you.

You could also end up having TEACHER confirmed, but with generous amounts of AB BTD and/or NOMAD and/or EXPLORER mixed into your lists...they all three have more red meats - both to chose from and in quantity.

2. I personally would think that we AB's would always have to have a noticeably amount of EXPLORER in us simply because of how they think a person gets to be in the EXPLORER group: in-utero stress.

If we AB's are a blend of two fertile eggs (one A and one B) then something had to have happened before we were born. Even if it was something as simple as the eggs were very close together and somehow merged, it would still be two different types blending. Considering how different A and B are that in itself I would think would be a bit of a "shock".

This to me would, again, make us AB's harder to figure out - which is the dominant of the two (A or B) and is the person truly an EXPLORER or just have elements of the the EXPLORER? SWAMI seems to be able to figure it out. I know I sure couldn't and neither could the tables in the GTD book (not that the book is bad, I still refer to it from time to time).

One more reason for SWAMI that Gumby and Henriette Bsec mentioned: variety. I looked at my old BTD spreadsheet and my TEACHER one. SWAMI gives me way, way, way, more choices! This makes it easier to stay both compliant (as a former chef I tend to get bored with my food easily my husband says) and be flexible in social situations (like potlucks or eating out for company functions).

When I was on the BTD there were things I would routinely want that were avoids. Same with GTD. With SWAMI there is nothing, except pork, on my Avoids lists that I feel I will miss for more than just "old habit" type reasons.  Nobody ever gets pork, BTD, GTD or SWAMI, and there is an entire list of reasons why so I just have to stay away from it.

This sorta makes it sound like if you just listen to your body you don't need SWAMI. However, if left to my own choices I would eat way too much grain and never have realized how much better I feel with less of it. I also would still be eating my grandma's fried chicken and never discovered that rabbit is so much better (tasting and for my body) and I'd still be eating beef because it's so much easier to find and cheaper than lamb and eating wheat instead of spelt because, again, it's cheaper and easier to find, but it would over time be too much gluten in such quantities. Wheat once in a while is okay for me (black dot) but not as a standard pantry item for me.

One last thing: about dairy. My husband noticed I had naturally cut myself back on how much dairy I ate just before SWAMI. I cannot say what SWAMI would do for you since it's all personalized, but for me, I got lots more cheese choices than ever before and most of them were diamonds, but with that also came that they are now much more limited in quantity/frequency than they are in the book list. Like many of them can do a so much good only a small amount is needed. I'm finding I like it better that way, too.  


Thank you for your input.  My initial concern was that it wouldn't take into account these issues I have already learned and it would just be a waste.  That appears like it's not the case.

About the nomad thing, it's possible.  However, the Teacher diet made me feel better than the Nomad diet did.  I felt worse on the Nomad diet than on the AB diet.  Could've been timing I guess.  It appears like it may have pegged you well and you have some of the same issues I have.  

About the nitric oxide, I've taken it before and it helped.  But it's not something I need all the time.  From what I can tell.  I am concerned though that if I'm doing the measuring, that is the one measurment that I can not tell if I'm doing it correctly.  That upper leg is kind of hard to tell.  And they're really close.  So, if I'm wrong with GTD, I'll be wrong with SWAMI too.  You know?

But chanur, thank you so much for taking an interest in me and my situation.  That is very nice.  I appreciate your memory and your input a TON!  


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Heidi your allele theory is spot on!

here s the AB video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY


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I feel like the Teacher diet brought my intestines into balance, but in doing that, it shifted some other things that the A diet would naturally leave in relative balance to a state of imbalance since I am different from the classic Teacher. When some food values changed in SWAMI, what had been bumped a little off balance by the Teacher diet could be put back in place, while the intestines remained perfectly balanced. And while I can see that my allergies/breathing have been brought back into balance, there are probably many other things going on too to make all my systems run well together.

I'm hoping that my visible changes from the diet will make my husband jealous enough to want to hear more about the BTD/GTD.
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Is that really how AB's happen? as a blending of two fertile eggs?  

I though you got an A allele from one parent and a B allele from the other.  Guess I have some reading to do.

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http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/wiki.pl/Allele
Heidi your allele theory is spot on!

here s the AB video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euXPJuoBIMY
Heidi, notice I prefaced that with the word if.

Yes, your understanding that each parent contributes one allele is correct. However, the fact that both A and B are dominant leaves an obvious problem because you have two dominants that do not match and are so very different from one another.

There was some work done to figure out how it could come about. The theory was that two fertile eggs (twins, not identical) merged because of being extremely close together in the uterus or that for whatever biological reason either one or the other twin couldn't or wouldn't survive and the two merged.

That was how the AB got the chimera nickname - after the mythological creature made up of three different animals: lion head, goat body, and a snake tail. Genetically, it refers to an organism composed of two or more genetically distinct tissues.

I am not saying that is what happens. I'm just aware of the theory and so I said if.

There is another theory that says because they are both equal (co-dominant) that they do not create an imbalance at all and so are no different than any other bloodtype.

If you would like to look into it further for yourself, I'd suggest you contact/pm Isa (Tomatilla I.). She is the one that brought the other theory to my attention several years ago and I can no longer locate the sites that had the info with the other theory.
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From personal experience, it's SO common for AB's either to feel better on a more A type diet or a B type diet.  I could have sworn I was a Warrior but my measurements always came up as an Explorer. Then when I got SWAMI, all the red meat and poultry was removed (hence Warrior- more type A) although it still said Explorer.


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Heidi, I had a little more time so I did a quick Google search and found this much for you to get you started should you care to look further:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8905
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/521749
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6884/full/417010a.html

My own personal (and therefore not scientific) theory is that both ideas/theories are correct. AB's can be just that A+B or we could be a fusion of two different types (separate eggs/non-identical twins).

As Shelly points out above, one of the two (A or B) will be dominant over the other but who knows which one it'll be. To me, this implies that they are not truly co-dominant and therefore the theory I mentioned does hold validity.

It would be interesting to see how many of us AB's are from families with known sets of twins.

edit: typo, again

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...I am concerned though that if I'm doing the measuring, that is the one measurment that I can not tell if I'm doing it correctly.  That upper leg is kind of hard to tell.  And they're really close.  So, if I'm wrong with GTD, I'll be wrong with SWAMI too.  You know?
I seriously doubt you are in the wrong genotype because of measuring yourself wrong.

As an AB you can only be TEACHER, EXPLORER, WARRIOR, or NOMAD.

You have already tried NOMAD and it was worse than TEACHER - that eliminates the book version of NOMAD.

Your doctor says you need more B12 than you are already getting with the TEACHER diet - that eliminates the WARRIOR book version as I see it because it has even less animal based protein which is where your B12 primarily comes from.

EXPLORER lists liver as a Superfood - you said it makes you feel not so good. EXPLORER has very little dairy choices as Superfoods compared to TEACHER, but they are close in quantity to the TEACHER so you wouldn't be getting much less dairy. EXPLORER has chicken eggs listed as a black dot. TEACHER has lots of chicken eggs allowed and they're diamonds. You haven't mentioned any problem with chicken eggs. How do you feel about going without eggs for at least 3 months? Not do you like the idea, but how do you think you'd feel physically?

Personally, EXPLORER doesn't sound to me like it would be an improvement over what you're already doing if you get sick off of liver, wouldn't be cut back any on dairy, and you're not having any issues with the eggs.

That only leaves what you're already doing: TEACHER. The TEACHER diet includes meat (lamb), dairy, and eggs which do not seem to be bothering you other than needing possibly less dairy and more meat (the B12). Over all, TEACHER seems to agree with you as I understand it, but it's just not quite making it either...sorta needs tweaking.

Therefore, SWAMI is what I think you need, not more measuring. I would suggest you get yourself measured by someone else, but if I remember correctly, you have already had yourself measured by your doctor.
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Well, I went to an IFHI practitioner who I don't think knew what she was doing.  She measured my one a chair that went soft and had a thick pad and it changed everything and she came up with a warrior.  But I wasn't there to argue with her.  She also admittedly said she wasn't trained for it.  I think I did a better job myself.  I had my wife help me too.  It always comes down to my upper and lower leg measurment.  They're real close and if one is longer than the other it's a teacher and vice versa would be a nomad.  The doctor I go to is GREAT and does everything homeopathic and uses BTD with a combination of Westin Price stuff.  (They do have a little controversy on soy with D'Adamo, but that's a side note and it's a small thing imho).  And they have no problem with the GTD, but they are not totally trained in it either. So I didn't get measured by them.

I love eggs and eat them regularly and they seem to do good for me.  

But, my thought is there may be some kind of synergistic diet that will help protect my liver and kidneys that the teacher diet isn't really doing.  For example, I think I'm having a kidney stone at present and the gal at my doctors office said don't eat blueberries.  There is some kind of acid in them that is harder on the kidneys.  I forgot which type of acid.  Well, it's a superfood on the Teacher diet and I eat them pretty regularly.  More than once a week.  I mean, I have no clue what all these foods do and why.  Many of them I should say.  I'm not the scientist.   So I'm sure I'd benefit from this swami.  I have a feeling it would tell me not to eat peanuts because of the mold issue.  Oh well, maybe that would make me feel better.

So SWAMI doesn't have you input your measurements?  What kind of questions does it ask????


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Heidi, I had a little more time so I did a quick Google search and found this much for you to get you started should you care to look further:

http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=8905
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/abs/10.1086/521749
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v417/n6884/full/417010a.html

My own personal (and therefore not scientific) theory is that both ideas/theories are correct. AB's can be just that A+B or we could be a fusion of two different types (separate eggs/non-identical twins).

As Shelly points out above, one of the two (A or B) will be dominant over the other but who knows which one it'll be. To me, this implies that they are not truly co-dominant and therefore the theory I mentioned does hold validity.

It would be interesting to see how many of us AB's are from families with known sets of twins.

edit: typo, again


Thanks Chanur. I did do some looking yesterday but didn't find much about these other theories. I still have a hard time with the merging egg and shared blood ideas. Fraternal twins are extremely unlikely to share a placenta (ony one documented case) so there can't be much transfer going on that way.  I couldn't read the whole atricle about the boy who was a merging of two eggs, but somehow I get the feeling he has more then just an unusual blood type.

The absorbed twin theory makes more sense but even then it seems that if the babies were of two blood types (one A one B) that there would be problems with antibodies like when transfusing those types together.

There are some very interesting stories though, like this one:

http://www.ask.com/bar?q=absor.....rbed_Twin_s_Children

Back on topic here  

The SWAMI does require your measurements ABNoWay. And regardless of what Genotype you end up with the diet is just for you so it is bound to be better then the book     . Highly worth the $69.






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So SWAMI doesn't have you input your measurements?  What kind of questions does it ask????
As Heidi said above, SWAMI does have you input you measurements. I'd use the measurements that make you a TEACHER since you know you don't feel well on NOMAD. It even says in the GTD book that if a diet is correct for you it will make you feel better, not worse.

It asks for all the biometrics (strength testing in the book), all the advanced table info. (charts in back of book), a short family health history on yourself, any siblings you may have, and your parents (also like the book), less than five gender specific questions, one gender specific question about the Nat'l Geo. geno project (which is 100% optional so if you don't have the info. it will still work for you. Considering the price of the Nat'l Geo. project I tend to think most people will not have that particular info.), a few what I call miscellaneous items that you will know or can easily find out for free, a section about some specific medical issues & testing (you would probably know the answers, but could ask them of your doctor to make sure), and then you set the SWAMI settings - do you want to let it pick your genotype or will you tell it which one to use (I recommend you let it pick for you),  where you want your geno harmonic food list to focus (again, I'd let it pick for you), if you want supplement recommendations, how often you prefer to eat on an average day so it can figure portions that won't starve or over-stuff you or if you prefer it to pick for you. That type of thing.

CAUTION: some of the items have a time-lock on them. They are not things you'd likely mess up, but if you do, you'll have to call NAP to have them re-input the data for you.

The timer on the lock doesn't seem to start as soon as you start answering the input sheets, it appears to start as you enter each time-lock question. That way, if you get interrupted and are not finished it will only affect what you've done. The lock is there to enforce copywrite so that no one buys one copy and then SWAMI's their whole neighborhood. You can save your work and continue working on it later should you become interrupted while you're working on it.

It also has links to various helps for measuring, and a "help" function.
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Can you come measure my upper and lower leg for me????????    

You know, I just thought of something, I was always measuring my right.  I wonder if I'd get a different answer on my left.  Does it say to do the right?  I'll have to check that out.  Only thing I'm not very symmetrical.  


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I see nothing on page 56-57 of the book indicating that it matters which leg you use.

On myself I did the left leg first and later did the right. There was a slight difference but it did not matter.

Thing the made the most difference for me was the definition of the bump on the outside of the leg below knee cap. But since Dr. Natalie Colicci explained this in an earlier thread, I will not repeat here.

I have a tendency to use left on client unless injury or something makes the right a better choice.

On SWAMI Xpress, you are asked to enter "What is your Upper to Lower Leg Ratio" the choices are "Upper Leg Longer", "Lower Leg Longer", and "Equal".  You do not have to enter the actual leg measurements.

If the measurements are so close that you cannot consistently get it to come out one way or the other, you may want to select "Equal".

It is a time locked field so you will want to get it right, if you can the first time.

You may want to try reading the explanations of leg measurements that people wrote in January/February 2008 when people were first working out the GenoType measurement techniques.


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  Sorry if that sat with your wrong.   SO YEAH, $69 dollars is a stretch right now and I'll figure out how to swing it now that I think it's necessary.  But there are a lot of other necessary things like my kids school, (we home school)......  


ABnoway, nothing "sat with me wrong" I'm just having a conversation, and I was just trying to help you..Sorry you took it the wrong way..    Try spending less on supplements and then maybe you could afford the $69 for a SWAMI.  
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Well, I remeasured my legs on Friday and I'm still pretty darn sure I'm a Teacher.  But upper and lower are the same and tie goes to lower.  However, The EXACT spot where you measure above your knee for the upper is a little fuzzy.  It could make my upper 1/2" longer.  Seems like there is a little play in there that I'm not sure of.  Anyways, I felt better on the Teacher diet and I'm pretty sure that's what I am.

I did try an egg for breakfast this morning instead of some kind of dairy and I feel pretty darn good.  I did have it with some Pineapple.  I don't really like the combination though.  Maybe I'll eat veggies on the mornings I eat eggs?  What fruit goes good with eggs?  Fruit has always seemed to do well in the morning for me.  I can't do grains or anything too heavy in the morning.  My body rebels.  Well, it used to at least.  It's been a while since I tried.


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