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speedy
Sunday, August 2, 2009, 4:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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My mum died of pancreatic cancer and my dad bowel cancer - no other family history of cancer at all. the parents were of the generation that didn't eat properly - lots of tinned stuff , ham and other stuff. How can this really account for a "history of cancer " when they were one off cases solely due to very bad diet.
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I have ben wondering about the same;

My dad died of bladder cancer - that he got from his work with pesticides.

We have absolutely no cancer in the family but him.... so I would never concider myself high risk....


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So you know what caused the cancer?
I think it would still signify a body that can't clear toxins.

Remember, you could get cancer due to your grandparents exposure. That 9 months( the womb) is very significant.


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Quoted from speedy
My mum died of pancreatic cancer and my dad bowel cancer - no other family history of cancer at all. the parents were of the generation that didn't eat properly - lots of tinned stuff , ham and other stuff. How can this really account for a "history of cancer " when they were one off cases solely due to very bad diet.


I think that not considering those to be significant is more dangerous than taking some simple precautions.

Also, another way to view it is that 1/2 your parents had bowel cancer and 1/2 had pancreatic cancer. Veiwed in that light when SWAMI asks specifically for 'parents' it is very significant.

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I think that no matter the cause, it still shows a tendency towards be succeptible to cancers.  If you have a genetic tendency, just because you aren't exposed to whatever "got" them, doesn't mean you aren't exposed to something else that might "get" you.

  




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Paternal grandfather lived until 85years, paternal grandmother was 96 when she went and maternal grandmother was 85 maternal grandfather was war damaged and died early but all really were just natural causes - unfortunately my two daughters lost four grandparents to cancer - they are aware of this. so really I should take notice of my parents demise due to cancer then?
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I am wondering if not also our subconscient mind and conditioneerings from generation to generation doesn't play with importance here.... at those moments I've a hard time to imagine that all should only be gentical related...& heritage.... btw...about the sugars and testing of mice-dogs and primates... here I think was the very first mistake done by *assumptions* those test resemble to humans!!!


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Quoted from speedy
so really I should take notice of my parents demise due to cancer then?


If my parents died of cancer I would take notice of it. What you choose to do is your own choice. The SWAMI will note that there was no cancer elsewhere in the family.  

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Thanks Lloyd, I am currently waiting for my swami to arrive so I was jumping the gun a bit by wanting to know how it would affect the results - I will make sure I put in all details as correct as I can
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I agree with Lloyd's point of view.  Not to confuse things, but no one in my background has been diagnosed with cancer that I know of.  But I had a basal cell on my skin removed, which is a form of skin cancer.  It was tiny.  But I answered yes to whether I was ever diagnosed with cancer.  Hope that was correct.  (And I was raised in the NJ, what used to be lovingly called the armpit of America)....
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But Lloyd what about my case??? ;
Dad AB
ONLY one in my extended family ever with cancer
and doctors was 100 % sure he got it from work ( he was a gardener and was exposed to lots of pesticides ?

I would never ever concider our family as a cancer history family.

My grandparents got old in general  with few mecical problems
and all but one died from heartattacks at the age 80-90  type O, O and A
while my grandmother Paternal type B  died at 94 from a stroke


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec
But Lloyd what about my case??? ;
Dad AB
ONLY one in my extended family ever with cancer
and doctors was 100 % sure he got it from work ( he was a gardener and was exposed to lots of pesticides ?

I would never ever concider our family as a cancer history family.

My grandparents got old in general  with few mecical problems
and all but one died from heartattacks at the age 80-90  type O, O and A
while my grandmother Paternal type B  died at 94 from a stroke


The SWAMI looks at parents, grandparents and siblings (each group seperately). Other members of the extended family are not considered.




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Ok thanks  


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I consider that if a parent, or other close family member had cancer, regardless of the type and cause, it would give me reason to be extra cautious.  Not everyone exposed to the same toxins, malnutrition or stresses, or . . . ? would get cancer from it.  So the fact that a family member's body responded to that particular situation with that particular disease is important enough to note.



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I consider that if a parent, or other close family member had cancer, regardless of the type and cause, it would give me reason to be extra cautious.  Not everyone exposed to the same toxins, malnutrition or stresses, or . . . ? would get cancer from it.  So the fact that a family member's body responded to that particular situation with that particular disease is important enough to note.


Thanks
suddenly I dont feel so lucky anymore.....


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Hettilein...this is exacatmente the case I feared....as it is mentioned in the film I made on the screen called the darwin code....it is always written: it may happen...but it mustn't....that'swhy this form of scaring people to I can't admit nor understand!!!

Prevention...ok I can agree and admit completely... but prevention can also lead to distorsion as practised in USA and now also in Teutonia and Switzerland....they want to make you believe taking off your breasts preventively can be the solution in not getting attaint of breastcancer.... hey... and what else......don't stepp into our trap called fear...


my grandmother of my mum's line developed breatcancer at her age of 90
years....she was forced by her *beliefs* of..... -coated to get operated and the whole trallala & cha-cha-cha...... she didn't died of cancer but coz of the after surgery-problems....she was an AB and I guess a nonnie as well (grandmas' revenge to her offspring,) ....
we have to be aware of all circumstances what and why something has happened....or is still happening!!!
this has happened 3 years ago and I was with my grandmum until her end.....I was so happy that she gave her trust to me....no-one else was allowed to stay..... but me.....


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I totally agree Isa  
- prevention is good- but no reason to scare people and get them to ear living.

- and I STILL wont count myself as cancer prone as a person with several cancer caces in the family.

Really isnt all of US then in a family with Cancer ??

I dont know a single person what not a single cancer case in the family ( mother, father grandparents-sisters brothers, uncles aunts)
- I normally find my own family rather unusual from the low incidents of cancer.


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Hettilein, thweety...something else... you as being a nomade entirely B...please go for visionary issues as well...works fine for us ..
must tell you something...my ebf..,as once mentioned, also got cancer since last year...+ - Nov-December.... I was always with him..drove him everywhere coz I wanted to know all about him and his issues... he came from a very healthy...I guess nearly all were O's family... but hey Madl
look at their beliefs and ...tsk...tsk..tsk..isuues of fears etx...psychosomatic issues are tickeling her also...nobody can deny here anymore!!! The so called C-psyche-shapement plays a heavy role as well ...even when once upn da time involved peeps were merely diagozed with A-shapements or even...so called *be-polars*....


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Quoted from Henriette Bsec


Thanks
suddenly I don´t feel so lucky anymore.....


We are extremely lucky to now have so many tools which will divert us away from the negative tendencies of our ancestors.

(to be taken to heart, but not to promote fear)  



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Quoted from Amazone I.
Hettilein...this is exacatmente the case I feared....as it is mentioned in the film I made on the screen called the darwin code....it is always written: it may happen...but it mustn't....that'swhy this form of scaring people to I can't admit nor understand!!!

Prevention...ok I can agree and admit completely... but prevention can also lead to distorsion as practised in USA and now also in Teutonia and Switzerland....they want to make you believe taking off your breasts preventively can be the solution in not getting attaint of breastcancer.... hey... and what else......don't stepp into our trap called fear...


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Yep...fear can be a scary thing...


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hi! i red about some japanese isle named okinawa who seems to have the record in longevity: the average for women is 87 years and for men 80. dr makoto suzuki was sent there in year 1970 and he found there from the very beginning 28 centenarians, 24 of them healthy.   it seems their secret lies in a realy good genetical material, a certain type of food, sports and... the joy of living! it alsow seems that persons borned in okinawa who emigrated in brazilia and abandoned their good habits soon become fatt, were suffering of cardiovascular disease and their life hope decreased with 17 years comparing to the ones back home.
i think a major factor in long life is the enviorment: polution level was probably very low in okinawa and, as some of you said, their mentality counted a lot. they love to live and they live in the present not in a dark future where everybody falls sick of cancer and dies tragically.
i think we have a good reason to be optimistic as long as we stick to our dyets and practice sports. autosuggestion helps to
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alina,
welcome to the forum!
wish more young people your age would follow your example!


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